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  2. There were some females with young ones that stayed around here at night for a few years & the kids made very little noise. They had a food fight on the front porch one night, involving a bucket of scraps from cleaning fish . There was a lot of bumping & knocking things around & fish carcasses flung everywhere, but I never heard so much as a squeak from them during the fight. Another time I saw 4 or 5 playing in the yard on a moonlight night. They looked like a bunch of big puppies rolling & tumbling around until one ran to a tree & went up it like a squirrel almost to the first limb. The rest followed it & then they went sliding back down. Sometimes they would knock on an aluminum gate in the pasture with sticks & there might be a few giggles, but a sharp "ehkkkkk" would stop it instantly. I have heard of a few people that heard a new baby crying, but it seemed that it was on purpose that they were allowed to hear it.
  3. I agree with Sasfooty... other young animals know instinctively to be quiet when danger is about, its wired in their brains. I watched a nature special the other night "growing wild". The sage grouse, deer and most other animals that are exposed to predators, just know to hide, stay still and be quiet on command from the mother. They have this instinct from birth, no training required and rely on their ability to blend in with their surroundings.
  4. Good answers, thanks Guys. It's the noises that the young would make and how they'd be concealed in the main that i'm most interesting in i guess.. Good shout with the tree's SWWA.
  5. This is one of the best topics I've ever read on the bigfoot subject. Crazy the hoops some guys will jump through, and the amount of speculation and attributes that are assigned to a creature that even if it's real, we'd know almost nothing about.
  6. Good question, BobbyO. I hadn't thought about it a lot. I assume there is some level of noise / chaos. Not proven, but ... reasonable. I suspect a 2-3 layer approach. First, I suspect areas are chosen that minimize how far sound carries. This will only be partially successful but it will reduce the distance that has to be monitored. Second, my guess is the sentinels / watchers monitor the area sound would carry to, plus a little, and escort / herd intruding humans out of the area if possible. Third, again, a guess: if some stubborn human refuses to be herded / escorted, most likely the same sentinels / watchers would try to move the group out of their path. It makes a level of sense at least in the areas I roam and would, if correct, account for things I've observed pretty well. I think the answer depends on whether there is year-around birthing or whether it is seasonal. All we have are assumptions in that regard. MIB
  7. Hope so. I will then win my bet with someone over on the Skeptics Forum. I have until the end of the year. Let's do this.
  8. The base of the pine needle is edible and the younger growth is edible too.
  9. Just had a thought. Maybe some of the vocalizations heard are female BF in labor? Loud, sound like a woman getting killed, rare, repeat, etc? That woman getting killed scream is fairly often reported.
  10. The females take turns baby sitting for each other. They have safe places where they can kind of turn them loose & not have to watch them too closely, such as in habituators' back yards. Sometimes, some of the older kids watch the younger ones, too, but they aren't very reliable & mischief happens. When untrusted humans are around, they know how to hide & be quiet, the same as the young of any other wild thing.
  11. Their birthing areas and nursery areas have to be very remote or in caves. Otherwise I cannot imagine how they would keep the infant quiet from nearby humans. I have always claimed that a female with infant is must vulnerable if the infant makes any noise at all. Perhaps we could learn something from the reclusive larger apes in their natural habitat. My juvenile was close to 3 feet tall but apparently being carried. That is very ape like behavior. Maybe infants just know they need to be quiet when Mom reacts in certain ways. At a certain age Mom could just let them climb a tree while she goes off and does something else. I suspect the smaller the juvenile the more protective Mom is.
  12. Been thinking about this recently, what do you think/know they do to conceal them, their noises and all round stimulation, and keep them safe ? Not interested in non knower/believer comments, they'll offer nothing constructive to the topic of this thread. Fire at will.
  13. Again, again, again, we are the bait. Lure them in, they will come.
  14. I think that last line Joe is the key. Let them come to you. It would take exceptional luck and skill to stalk/hint one given our current knowledge base.
  15. In reference to Norseman's comments: One of the techniques I often use when taking people up the hill is to show them a deer track. Doe, buck, yearling? But most importantly, if we are not in snow, I ask them to show me the other three tracks that match the one observed. And, after that, to show me not the next set of tracks made by the four hooves, but the third set in succession. It is rare that a new observer can make it that far along a track line. I'm just mentioning this in regards to the discussion of track rarity and repetitiveness in regards to hooved animals. With luck we'll find a bear track. In our area of interest, depending on the population cycle, in the Cascades there is about one bear per two square miles during population peaks and one bear per four - five square miles at the bottom of the cycle. So, the idea is to tell people that bears are fairly common and that we should "easily" find a track in three-four hours of wandering. Often, if there is no snow, no bear track is found, mainly because new people don't go near water much, they like to stay "up high" where they can see things and not fight brush. Then, the exercise in finding succeeding bear tracks in the track line proves much more difficult than with hooved animals. Now, let me go "wild" and estimate one Bigfoot per 10-20 square miles depending on habitat. How many track finds and how often? I feel successful if I'm up 20 plus days a year, spend a lot of time afoot and find one unmistakable Bigfoot track. Two or three in a line is a very rare treat. So, I'm just saying that a "researcher" must persevere and not go up the hill to find Bigfoot tracks. You better have something else on your alleged mind. When I had the film crew from Missouri up for several days and they stumbled on their first track -- which was obviously left as a marker of some kind -- they were astounded. It was in mud beside a creek next to a game trail crossing. I was over a little ridge so by the time I got there the fellow carrying their "black" box had slipped and ruined it, but fortunately they had photographed it. Well, enough rambling for now except for one more "thing." The story behind the photo: Managed to stay dry that night with only a tarp, but I was alone so that made it easier. This point is about 15 miles {no exaggeration} from the nearest often used road, and by often, since I often camp near it, I mean 1 truck per hour per summer day, maybe 1-2 during the night. That night, after the rain, one came around and walked around camp leaving several tracks. So the moral of the story is to go to where they are and let them come to you.
  16. It depends on the animal and it's home range. Some animals are hard to find tracks of because they pass through so infrequently. Hooved animals also make easier to see tracks than non hooved animals. Some heavy use bear trails are just matted down linear areas with no discerable tracks. Not unlike a human trail down to the beach at a well used campground.
  17. Getting back on topic, I would take segments of territory that are bisected by rivers and streams and search or surveille within a mile of those on either side to find honey holes.
  18. Thanks for explaining it. In an email from him he says he will explain in more detail when he completes his research on it.
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  20. I've been a proponent of that trackway's authenticity but Cliff has given a very good explanation for his doubts. I forget where it was ... youtube interview, though. What he said is that the toe flex appears to be in a vertical plane, no side to side changes in toe splay from track to track. If correct, and it probably is else he wouldn't say it, there is new reason for caution. I'm not abandoning it, either: Cliff was not the only researcher casting tracks. 'til a couple others join in agreement, the jury remains out, at least for me. MIB
  21. Hey Ken, I sent a small donation to the forums on behalf of A Wish for Giants film...I wish I coulda sent more.

  22. I think what most animals would find edible are the seeds in the cones which are a major food source for many animals.
  23. A general reference to whatever is in the area. The point being if you are consistently out in the same area for a prolonged period of time you develop knowledge of what's there, what's normal in way of back ground noise, what animals, etc
  24. Pine is edible. One thing we have a lot of on this continent is pine. So if you're out in the middle of nowhere and starving, if there is a pine tree you can eat. Spruces no, so you best learn the difference. I took a photo of a bit of scat in British Columbia last year in the Flathead Wilderness. It looked human but was about 10" in length and easily 3" in diameter. Right in the road (which is closed to motorized traffic), a few miles north of the US border, about 49.067051, -114.862906. A minute or two earlier I had stopped to take a photo of an unusual stick formation in the forest adjacent to the road. As I was taking the photo of that, I heard a 'whoop! from way up on the mountainside above me. The photo of the stick formation turned out to be out of focus but the other shot was OK.
  25. We see photos of individual tracks but not the trackway itself?? If I was a reporter I'd wanna see the trackway and no mistake! North Dakota has a lot of snowmobiles. It would not have been that hard to come up with something. So I'm rating this one with 2 and 1/2 Sheesh!es and a Huh?
  26. Cliff Barrackman. Is a good source.
  27. They don't worry if you die but they worry if you survive using an unsanctioned method? Hardly makes sense I think perhaps they don't worry if you die slowly. Zat sound 'bout right?
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