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  1. Having unable to get rid of quote issues. Good line of thought outside the box. Anyway every time I see the Gorilla Glue commercial, I wonder how BF would react to that actor in the woods. In my case I have had less interaction when I have been wearing camo than when wearing more brightly colored normal clothing. Could be coincidental but one would think we would look more BF like at first glance in camo than ordinary clothing. Another way to look at it, is perhaps BF is more wary of other BF outside of its own clan, that it is of humans. After all, unless we have a gun, humans are not much of a threat to them. If a human in camo or a ghilly suit at first glance looks like another BF, the BF has to evaluate is that human or BF, and then assess if the BF is in its own clan and safe or some rogue that might be a threat. Depending on its eyesight, it may have to close the distance to decide. At some distance from the subject, the BF would have to relay on the last known location of its own clan if the profile / size / color is similar. Humans until we are close enough for face recognition, would fall back on clothing worn to recognize hiking companions in the woods. It might be much more difficult for BF to recognize each other at a distance until close enough to recognize certain features in coloration or marking. If territory is worth fighting over, BF may well be more afraid of each other than us.
  2. There is an area NE of Granite Falls in Washington State where several fairly recent BFRO reports detail being chased out of the area by a BF that shows itself. I don't think we have any Forum members that have experienced that there. If I can round up some more self designated "bait", I would love to mount an expedition into that area. Not a situation I want to go into solo. Not sure if the BF has a mental issue or just hates humans. Could be either.
  3. Ioyza: Interesting about the huffing. Were you in an area where the BF were familiar with you? I may have experienced that huffing following a couple of chest slapping events after I accidentally peed with one watching. It started raining about then and I headed back to my truck, and just when I was loading up my truck, heard what sounded like huffing or chuffing. That has been attributed by others as raven flight but I am not so sure because of no azimuth change. Anyway I was obviously leaving but the producer of the sound perhaps decided I needed encouragement to leave. I had put my digital recorder in my truck and was just sitting there with the door open hoping to get some sound recorded. I suppose in BF behavior huffing might be one level of aggressive behavior down from chest slapping. Would the next level up be chest slapping and advancing in plain sight like a gorilla charge? Breaking trees or large branches off is somewhere in the mix of levels of aggression. I think you are in serious trouble if a BF shows itself when doing aggressive behavior. Perhaps in its mind, would it only break visual avoidance protocol when it was considering killing you? In that case, what difference would it make if you see it, if it intends to kill?. Most apex predators, including man, attempt to stay out of sight of their prey until they move in for the kill. Cherry thought to consider if you ever see a BF advancing towards you.
  4. Just had a thought. Maybe some of the vocalizations heard are female BF in labor? Loud, sound like a woman getting killed, rare, repeat, etc? That woman getting killed scream is fairly often reported.
  5. Their birthing areas and nursery areas have to be very remote or in caves. Otherwise I cannot imagine how they would keep the infant quiet from nearby humans. I have always claimed that a female with infant is must vulnerable if the infant makes any noise at all. Perhaps we could learn something from the reclusive larger apes in their natural habitat. My juvenile was close to 3 feet tall but apparently being carried. That is very ape like behavior. Maybe infants just know they need to be quiet when Mom reacts in certain ways. At a certain age Mom could just let them climb a tree while she goes off and does something else. I suspect the smaller the juvenile the more protective Mom is.
  6. You have to remember that this is the same government that does not want a person dying of cancer to try some medicine used successfully in Europe, because it has yet to be approved by the FDA. . Same government that did nuclear testing in Nevada and put me in the fallout pattern when I was a kid in Eastern Oregon, and lined up soldiers during the tests to see what it did to them, Same government, that ran a naval ship off the coast of San Francisco during WWII spewing out germs , to see what percentage of the San Fransico citizens got sick. The list of things like this is long. The US Government thinks nothing of risking citizen lives if it serves some purpose thought worth it by the government. Humans in danger in the woods is the least of their worry.
  7. For a while I ran a video camera when I was driving in BF country. Got tired of messing with it and looking at the video pointed behind me. You had to watch it, because you might not have seen a rear crossing BF. Pretty boring watching where you have been. Sure you might catch one sometime, but then again you could also get an asteroid streaking across the sky too. Probably about the same chance with each. I think continuous video coverage in camp might have more chance of success. Especially if you think BF are exploring camp at night. . But use a hidden spy camera.
  8. Of course with my years of BF field work, I had way more presence in the woods than before that. . I am not a hunter so previous to BF research, my woods exposure was a hike 3 or 4 times a year. Normally with companions. Solo hiking is very different. I have noticed over time, deer sometimes react strangely. If you blunder into a deer at close range they bolt, frantically thrashing through underbrush to get away. That would be expected. Other times if you come on deer quietly, they will look up from grazing, stare and smell you, then go back to eating. I see some sort of threat assessment on their part, and determine that in my case I was not a threat, so I often can continue on my way, with them either not moving or slowly moving away eating as they go. Somehow I think if I was a hairy naked and 8 foot tall, they would not hang around. In an active BF area, I imagine they have to quickly assess if the biped they are seeing is human or BF to have any chance to get away. Of my two bear encounters, one was at a very close range when we came around the corner, snout to face at about 20 feet on a trail, the bear bolted and went down a 45 degree embankment to get away. It was reassuring that it was as afraid of me as I was of it. The other ambled off after rummaging around my camp in the night. The cougar was confrontational and jumped into the middle of the logging road in front of me from a cliff face beside the road. Stared at me for about 10 or 15 seconds then just turned tail to me and ambled off down the road in the direction I had been traveling. It did not even run. It had chased two deer across the road in front of me. I had the feeling it was evaluating my size and deciding if it wanted to mess with me or continue after the deer. It chose the deer. It did not seem to be the least bit afraid of me. It never even looked back in the 100 yards or so it was still in sight before it went over the embankment in the direction the deer went. What scared me if that if could have knocked me off the mountain bike I was riding if I had not stopped to take a breather right before I got below it. In an active BF area, there has to be an interesting interaction of the larger species. Bear, BF, cougar and humans. The scary thing to me is that most humans have no idea BF is there in the mix. And some do not seem to understand the danger from cougars. I found a fresh large cougar track on a trail near the Oregon Coast. It seemed to be following the trail. I encountered a small young female hiker headed the other way, and warned her about the cougar. She acted like I was nuts to be concerned. My concern was for her. She was small and unarmed. Is that the reason the Forest Service does not want to admit BF is there? Most people have seen a King Cong movie. King Cong might make the woods a really scary place. The Forest Service wants us to imagine the woods with Thumper and Bambi.
  9. She basically admitted that she was a distracted driver. From the insurance companies standpoint, did not matter if she was distracted by a BF or T-rex. Most likely she could not have avoided hitting the deer anyway. In this part of the country you are better off claiming distraction from BF than your cell phone. Huge fines for touching a cell phone while driving. Oregon has legislation that would make it a felony to be texting while driving with mandatory jail time.
  10. I had one situation where two deer ran across a logging road right in front of me and I had to slam on the brakes to avoid hitting them. That is pretty normal for deer to do something stupid around vehicles. What was not normal was they turned around after they crossed and looked back where they had come from. Neither deer looked at me in my truck. As I sat there looking in the direction they had come from and had looked towards, I smelled a nasty skunky smell. Somehow I don't think they were terrified of a skunk. I did not see anything and drove off. In retrospect I should have parked and headed towards where they were staring. I wonder how often a BF waits until a vehicle passes then walks across a road. Probably more often than crossing in front of a car. And most people would never notice it.
  11. My experience may not be typical but it sort of points to the relative numbers of BF related to other known to science creatures in my research area in 10 years of time in the field. Mind you this was an active BF area in SW Washington. An area without BF may have more cougars or other predators as a result. Total number of face to face BF encounters = 3 if you accept a growl or chest beating as 2 of the encounters. Total number of face to face cougar encounters = one. Total number of black bear encounters = 2. Nearly an equal number of foot print finds between bear and BF and cougar. One wolf track. No porcupines or wolverines seen nor tracks of them. Fresh deer and / or elk tracks found nearly every time out. This is a big guess but based on sighting and footprint finds, I would guess in my research area when it was active there were nearly an equal number of cougar and BF. Both BF and cougar are reclusive and don't want to be seen. Neither are seen as often as bear. Wolves have just moved into the area and that number is probably not representative of anything. Cougar and BF may have a symbiotic relationship by feeding on remains of each others kills. Perhaps BF takes them away? An apex predator that also scavenges in certain circumstances would also be an apex scavenger. BTW has mentioned a there may be a relationship between cougar and BF kills.
  12. Seems like I read someplace recently that they might have found the crater using satellite radar in Northern Canada. Area covered with ice and water most of the year. Part of extinction at the Clovis sites was that a formerly lush area had turned arid. Ice ages, no mater what the cause tie up tremendous amounts of water in the Northern latitudes and produce large spread arid areas with little rainfall South of that. There is evidence of horrific dust storms. Apparently the Clovis survivors headed South. The spear and arrow points of Navajo show some influence of Clovis. More interesting is that the Clovis points, themselves reflect Solutrean influence, and Solutrean points have been found in several locations on the Eastern seaboard. That culture existed 17,000 to 21,000 years ago in France. Did they beat the migration from Asia? Native Americans but just one migration of many.
  13. I really doubt there are 100,000 BF. If there were that many, sightings would be much more common. And you have good points about the amount of deer they would go through. However they do eat elk which are much larger with more meat than deer, have larger bones with more marrow. Also elk have more edible meat not just on big muscle groups like rib meat. Hence BTW rib eating teeth marks. As far as calories a day, while your estimate of 10,000 or twice Neanderthal 5,000 might be required for a full grown male, BF females are much smaller and are probably closer to the 5000 of the Neanderthal. Reports of juvenile sightings often comment on how skinny and underfed looking they are. My conjecture about this is that juvenile teen males might be pretty low on the food totem pole. As they grow into maturity, they might be considered sexual rivals in a patriarchal society, and forced to fend for themselves. Perhaps even being driven out of a family group by the dominant male as one finds with other large predators. Where as female child producers might be more likely to have shared meat provided by a hunting male. If we can just get some human woman to volunteer to live in a BF clan, we could learn all of this stuff.
  14. There are no Clovis finds above the Younger Dryus event layer. The ice age was over, the climate warming, Clovis people were spreading out and thriving, and the Younger Dryus event plunged the climate into a mini ice age in a matter of a few years. The Clovis people disappeared or morphed into the NA in the SW. The Younger Dryus is dated at 12900 to 11700 years ago. Science of course fought that cause as an impact just like they fought the dinosaur killer event. In both cases they said, where is the crater? Oil exploration found the Yucatan crater, More recently a large crater has been found in Northern Canada. That is the likely crater of the Younger Dryus. This is classic main stream science at work. Gene Shoemaker claimed the meter crater in Arizona was an impact crater. Main stream science claimed it was volcanic and blamed the dinosaur extinction on the same thing. Shoemaker was ridiculed by science for both well into the 20th century. Then the comet hit Jupiter with the world watching in 1994. Giant Jupiter had huge scaring impacts that were visible in the gas giant's atmosphere for weeks. It was the equivalent of a wake up slap on the face for science. Yes meteors and comets still hit the planets and can do extinction level events. And yes main stream science was proven wrong once again. But while science may have its faults it does fix its errors, where as the accepted history of North America is simply a fabrication, that never seems to correct itself because of new discoveries. I do not recall celebration of Viking, Irish, or Minoan discovery day on our calendars. . .
  15. The one scat pile that I suspect could only have been bear or BF had not only berry contents but quite a bit of fur. If it was BF it's diet was supplemented by animal protein. Human shaped in form but huge diameter and lots of it. Bear skat is normally not that well formed and tends to be in more runny piles. Interesting story with that scat find, I was walking along an old, no longer used logging road and heard some brush break on a hillside above me. The break seemed more like a deer that was in get away mode. I went into the thicket expecting to find a deer but did not see anything. I went in on the logging road as far as it went and on the way out, right in the middle of the road was that huge pile of scat. Still warm. Bear or BF it seemed to want to leave it for me to find. Bear scat varies considerably in form and contents depending on what it's diet is when produced. Since BF is thought to eat pretty much the same things at the same time of year, I really would not know how to differentiate the two, unless you saw it being produced or there were footprints involved in the scat find. As far as huge foragers and signs of that, one documentary on human evolution showed the pile of vegetation necessary for sustain a human for a week. It was a pile as tall as the human and the table he was sitting at. But they showed animal protein necessary to produce the same food value. It fit neatly on a single plate. The point being that high level brain activity in a humans pretty much requires animal protein or we would spend nearly every waking minute foraging like a gorilla. When humans came out of the trees, developed high level brain function, and started a nomadic existence, animal protein was essential to supplement the human diet on the African savanna with its limited vegetation. The most likely animal protein source was carrion scavenging until hunting skills were developed. The 10 percent a day rule simply does not apply to an omnivore. I would think we have enough witness evidence of BF predation of deer and elk, small animal eating, and consuming termites and grubs like bear to assume BF are omnivores. If BF indeed migrated out of Asia to North America that migration was the BF equivalent of leaving the jungle trees and vegetarian life style and going out into the African savanna. As BF moved further North the trees became coniferous, had little or no leaf vegetation, had no fruit and few nuts, and vegetation alone could not have supported a large ape man. So perhaps it began to hug the coast, use fish or shell fish, and scavenge larger animals as it got into the forests near the Bering Sea. Inland would have been ice and heavily glaciated so the passage into North America had to have been along the ice ocean boundary. By the time it crossed the land or ice bridge and reached North America and moved down to the more temperate climates in the PNW it had to have incorporated animal protein into its diet to have ever gotten here. Plant life in those latitudes during the ice age could not have supported an exclusive vegetarian. So unless the BF originated on this continent or South America it is hardly surprising that the trip required it to be at least an omnivore. Once it made that adaptation, it would hardly revert back since animal protein is a more efficient food source.