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Why Would Denialist Waste Their Time On This Or Any Other Bf Website?

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Is the answer because they secretly believe that BF is possible? Or they actually want and hope BF is real?

I'm having trouble understanding why someone would waste their time with all this BF stuff if they truly believe there is no possibility BF exists. I don't believe in fairies and see no reason to participate in forums about the same.

What gives?

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Because they all think they are smarter than you and are trying to save you from yourself.

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I've dealt with denialists for a while. Many of them were Bigfoot proponents, but have switched beliefs at some point if you know what I mean. Unlike most people who don't believe in Bigfoot, a denialist's belief that Bigfoot doesn't exist is actually pretty fragile. Some of them will throw insults or say hurtful things if you post something that challenges their belief system. They pose as skeptics, but if you read some of their stuff, you'll see that they're actually lacking in skepticism. The subject attracts them, but their focus is on things that'll help them believe that Bigfoot doesn't exist. Pretty messed up huh

 

 

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While I don’t think this answers your question entirely, it may be relevant.

The article is not open access, but here is the abstract and the citation.

Abstract

In two online studies (total N = 1215), respondents completed personality inventories and a survey of their Internet commenting styles. Overall, strong positive associations emerged among online commenting frequency, trolling enjoyment, and troll identity, pointing to a common construct underlying the measures. Both studies revealed similar patterns of relations between trolling and the Dark Tetrad of personality: trolling correlated positively with sadism, psychopathy, and Machiavellianism, using both enjoyment ratings and identity scores. Of all personality measures, sadism showed the most robust associations with trolling and, importantly, the relationship was specific to trolling behavior. Enjoyment of other online activities, such as chatting and debating, was unrelated to sadism. Thus cyber-trolling appears to be an Internet manifestation of everyday sadism.

Erin E. Buckels, Paul D. Trapnell, Delroy L. Paulhus, Trolls just want to have fun, Personality and Individual Differences, Volume 67, September 2014, Pages 97-102, ISSN 0191-8869, http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.paid.2014.01.016.

 

I recall another study being published a year or two ago that was on similar lines, but haven't found it yet.

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I've dealt with denialists for a while. Many of them were Bigfoot proponents, but have switched beliefs at some point if you know what I mean. Unlike most people who don't believe in Bigfoot, a denialist's belief that Bigfoot doesn't exist is actually pretty fragile. Some of them will throw insults or say hurtful things if you post something that challenges their belief system. They pose as skeptics, but if you read some of their stuff, you'll see that they're actually lacking in skepticism. The subject attracts them, but their focus is on things that'll help them believe that Bigfoot doesn't exist. Pretty messed up huh

 

Your last sentence says it all, OS. Took me a few months on the BFF to figure it out and start to put certain members on ignore. The irony is, those who continue to engage them in fruitless conversation simply encourage them to stay. I strongly believe that if 80 to 90 percent of serious active members, including knowers, believers and honest skeptics, used the ignore feature on the same group of a dozen or fifteen people, those folks would bail in short order. That would leave the BFF a tiny bit leaner but a vastly improved forum for serious discussion of all things Bigfoot among people who, regardless of their current position, are truly interested in advancing their knowledge of the subject. This stratagem however, would work only if the majority of members who seem to enjoy tilting at windmills manage to restrain the impulse. I am not sanguine that such will happen anytime soon.

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Jiggy, I agree with your assessment!

Airedale, the biggest problem is when your new to the forum your still trying to figure out what's what and who's who!

But I am learning quickly.

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As a staunch denialist and certified scofftic i once attempted to put all the proponents,believers,knowers,and inbetweeners on ignore so i wouldn't have to listen to their opinions. It got real lonely :(

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 What gives?

 

 

It is the unfortunate downside of the age of the internet. If they actually had to get dressed and get out to a bigfoot symposium and argue face to face they would be too shy and scared to so they wouldn't do it. It's the same with sports. Forums and message boards and news stories are full of trolls posting venomous tripe about rival football teams. Again if they had to get dressed and walk into a bar where rival football fans congregate and argue that their club is crap then they would be too shy and too scared to.

Unfortunately the internet gives cyber trolls an anonymous mouthpiece where they can spout their rhetoric from the safety of their own homes without ever having to meet anyone and argue their case face to face in the real world.

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As a former proponent it's not difficult to observe the bigfoot continuum.  Those times when I speak out are not designed to throw the believer off the track of belief. It is designed to present a more rational mindset that may have a positive effect on helping to remove some of the more untenable ideas that have taken root in the believer camp.  For example bigfoot is nearly everywhere and there is a large population of them.  

 

It is also interesting to view how the entire bigfoot continuum recreates itself as needed in order to perpetuate the mythology when obviously solid approaches in technology are unsuccessful.  For example game camera failure because bigfoot can hear the cameras or otherwise sense them. 

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A few friends of mine HAVE had success with game cameras..my avatar came from one.  A white or gray hand washed out by the sun as she/he stuck her hand through a giant clump of vines and trees.  I'm saying white/gray because the owner had proof of one.  It's rare and not the first time the owner has used the technique. 

 

You as the observer have to be one step ahead it seems.

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They are paid by those that have an interest in discrediting the subject.

 

I kid, I kid......well maybe not.

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We will always have to deal with both sides of the coin.

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I myself think they do add value to the conversation, whether we like reading it or not.

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