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Here are some photos from the post above: Chilliwack Lake looking North e

While I take several trips into the dark forest each year, I have gone on only one bigfoot focused trip. Naturally, I was the new guy. But I did get to handle track castings by Bob Titmus and Bob Gimlin! We were on the East side of the Cascade Mountains in Washington State and intended to camp at a location where people have been frightened away by something throwing sticks from the woods. Forest service gates ruined that plan and we camped a few miles away. :( John Andrews showing a casting given to him by Bob Titmus.

No doubt, and despite the fact that nobody can definitively say what it is there’s still no shortage of people flippantly dismissing it as a bear because the idea that it could be something else is one they don’t want to deal with. Just like Patty is a guy in a suit, sure…..

I've noticed that at least some predators seem to avoid traveling the same path as their prey. On cameras where I get deer, elk and moose; the bears and cougar are mostly seen crossing rather than following the trail. Blue Mountains of Washington Cinnamon Bear crossing the game trail.

My oldest boy, Steve, called me earlier this week to see if I was heading out in the mountains this long weekend. He didn't have to twist my arm very hard to get a yes out of me. ;-) I picked him up at about noon, after my honey-do list was done, and we headed out to the north side of the Fraser River, east of Mission. We chose to go in a FSR that would bring us to a creek valley north of the one where we both had sightings about 45 years ago. The valley of our sightings has become very popular with the local 4x4 and ATV groups, and would be busy on a sunny Good Friday, hence the detour to the back side of those same mountains. Once we got to our chosen branch FSR, we had the place to ourselves, other than 1 truck headed out as we went in. The previous 3 nights had brought heavy rain via thunderstorms, so the road was a little slick, and coated the Hummer with a nice tan coat of mud, rubbing off on our pant legs every time we got in or out of the truck, and washing away any hopes of seeing tracks. Not only were no tracks spotted, no animals were seen all day, either. Every branch trail that we attempted off the main one ended in washout, mudslides, or deadfall, and in 1 case, all 3 in the same spot! By 6 PM we called it a day, and turned around for the 1 hour run back to pavement on the washboard gravel FSR main. I was blessed to be able to get out in the hills with each of my sons on subsequent weekends, It felt like our outings when they were both still teens.

Yes, I've been "zapped". Don't know if it was infrasound or not. All I know is that one minute I was knocking or whistling with something in the woods late at night and the next minute, I was filled with terror and locked myself in my minivan crying on the floor. A few minutes later, it was like a switch turned off, I felt completely fine, and I opened the door and continued knocking or whistling. (This happened on one of two nights, same place, same time at night and I no longer remember which is which, in 2012).

I think you overestimate their fear of guns. It's not the gun, it's the person holding it. SCARED people with guns are dangerous, unpredictable, volatile. Calm, confident people with guns are just calm, confident people .. not a threat. It's the fear that turns the gun into a hazard. Humans telegraph fear quite loudly in our posture, motions, and so on. I've had a couple of sightings, camp visits at night, been punked / messed with .. and every time, minus one, I had a gun, often a hunting rifle slung over my shoulder, not something hidden. It ain't about the gun, it's about the human.

The only keyboard warrior is you.

Lowkee, zendog or who ever you are, once you start calling people uncreative names like simpletons, your age and IQ, which is very low, begin to show through. You should take some time to grow up or go troll somewhere else. You are not well versed in the art of trolling. And so far yours is zero.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/21/us/monkeys-truck-crash-pennsylvania.html

"Brush Apes" weren't really different from Sasquatch as far as I remember the stores. However, a friend of my step-father's was on a baseball team in the 1940s which was called the Brush Apes. So it's not a new term. Certainly predates Momo in my recollections. My Samurai Chatter experience bothered me because it lasted for such a long time and on consecutive nights. On the first night I went to sleep after listening for a full hour. Just seemed odd to me that it lasted so long. Later, Mike Jay (over 30 years chasing bigfoot) assured me this was not nearly as unusual as I had thought. Still, I was raised in Missouri so I probably must see it to believe it.

There is no way you can prove it is a bear. Your testimony is as irrelevant to the conversation as anyone else's. You made the statement that it is a bear. A statement you can not back up with anything other than anecdotal evidence.

Those are some pretty horse, and nice pictures.... They don't mean diddly. Too many old timers here do this. Rather than evidence to back their position, look at all this evidence of what a big bad outsdoors guy I am, so I must be right. Its not a sasquatch, it never was. Its a bear at a bear feeding station, in an odd pose, doing bear stuff.

Black Jack and Joker at the ranch Scout and Joker at the snow peak cabin doing work for the USFS Steven, Jasper, Red and Scout at ranch Red at ranch Big Red, Mary Lou and Benny in the Frank Church wilderness, Idaho

An old packer trick is to rub Vicks vapor rub in their nose. I didn’t have any with me so I tied my fleece jacket around her neck that had my sweat on it. Its mainly just time under pack saddle. Another thing that helps young mules is to mix them with old mules. The old mules will teach them with bites or kicks if they get out of line. I had a lead mule that would lift her leg going down the trail if a young mule tried to pass her. If the youngin did not take the hint? They got kicked in the chin. She was the best mule I ever owned. Bought her from the Busted Ass ranch sale in Arlee, Montana. Paid 1500 bucks for her in 96. Everyone laughed at me until it was time to throw elk quarters on and they are having a goat rodeo and my 2 mules are standing in the gut pile ears forward…… they came right off an outfitter pack string. She trained many of the young mules going forward. Suspension bridges, deer, elk, bear, high line etiquette, going down the trail. I shot her with my .44 mag when she was blind and failing in the fall one year. She would not have made it through another winter. I bawled like a baby. Hardest thing I have ever done. She was in her 30s. Her name was Mary Lou.

Guess which one didn't listen to advice and looked at the sun, today.

Lots of great info and resources here as usual. The subject hasn't gotten stagnant to me personally, however I am bored of a lot of the "production" efforts. There's only one group (small town monsters) currently turning out good content on bigfoot and it's because there's little to no fluff for viewers. You get the story then make up your own mind. As for research I kinda stopped watching every one else except the OP, Darby Orcutt, and the kid from the UK with the old world primate DNA showing up. Kinda got me out of the mindset of keeping up with the Joneses on hardware and technology and just sticking to doing what I do best, and that's tracking and ecology studies. I just go out, enjoy the wilderness, take pics, and conduct the occasional survey or official study. If your close to WV I'm open for any of y'all to come out with me anytime. I've got some updating to do over on the southern WV/ Wineberry thread. Good topic

I'm still not sure on these photos. I'm now 80% sick, mangy bear and 20% "no clue".

For whatever reason we can say they don't seem to be having an effect since they are not attracting them. If they are, they are not doing so in a way that results in people getting them on camera or having a reported sighting using them as bait. I like the idea of some scent as bait. Certain animals go into heat. That is a strategy that could be assumed to work for some animals. We all know in people (and some animals) the smell of food or cooking seems to work. We all have heard in science class how wolves came closer smell of food cooking on the fire and became domesticated dogs for the cavemen. What attracts a bigfoot? I don't know if apes are attracted to 'smells' be it pheromones or McDonalds in the garbage bin. We could assume Bigfoot might be more likely to be attracted to what we might be or at least what attracts a Gorilla, but we can't really know. Just guess. All things need to eat sleep mate and so on. Using a smell in a smart way - assuming we know the smell- seems like a reasonable idea. The trick will be to 1) get the right smell 2) have it close enough to enough subjects to lure at least one in. 3) have a camera ready and able when the animal arrives. I remember a Bigfoot show on TV where the person played a set of drums in the woods hoping to make bigfoot 'curious' Not the worst idea. My take would be food attracts people and other animals. Even if I eat, I still notice my stomach rumbles when the neighbor is cooking on the grill or popping popcorn. At the end of the day Dr. Hannible Lecter sums it up well in Silence of the Lambs: Hannibal Lecter: "First principles, Clarice. Simplicity. Read Marcus Aurelius. Of each particular thing ask: what is it in itself? What is its nature? What does he do, this man you seek? In this way, if we could know what Bigfoot likes and provide it to him/her we might have a chance. Clearly what we are doing isn't working or is not working well enough to accomplish a home run encounter.

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I found this out when my wife, grandson, his wife, and daughter who lived with me were always angry when we sat in the living room. I discovered that our unused ceiling fan motor was not operating the fan, but was on and grinding at a nearly undetectable in audio. I turned it off and we all just relaxed and the living room became a relaxing area once again.

Hello from Arizona. Everyone calls me Frisco. I am a retired Police officer with 27 years of service. Now I split my time between my home in Arizona and traveling the north country in the summer with my English Mastiffs. I am not a researcher, I just seem to end up in places where there has been a lot of activity. I am not a "believer" I am a "knower". I am glad to be here.

Looks like you had better weather than I did, a 100km or so WNW of you. I saw a few sunny breaks, but mostly drizzle all day, with a bit of fresh snow showing higher in the mountains, when I could see them. I heard earlier in the week that the Ross Lake road system had finally re-opened after being severely damaged in the major flood event we had in Nov. of '21, so of course I had to go check it out. There were several sections of a km or more that had been completely obliterated by the Silver Creek, in the north section, and the Skagit River in the southern stretch. They've done a good job of rebuilding the damaged sections, raising and realigning the roadbed and putting huge box culverts under the cross creeks, with lots of boulder riprap to reinforce the banks. Hopefully it will withstand future 100 year rainfall events. The gravel surface was in excellent shape, making it easy to maintain the 60km/hr speed limit, with only very minor washboards in a few sections. Most of the side trails were still accessible, so I explored as many as I had time for, as far as conditions allowed, getting stopped by washouts, deadfalls and landslides on all of them eventually. One of our group's favourite camp spots is still in good shape, so we'll probably do our usual summer outing there this year. As far as wildlife goes, I was disappointed to see only 1 grouse, and no larger game at all, though that valley is known to have deer, bear, cougar, bobcat, and moose, as well as several Sasquatch sightings that we've followed up on in the past. The valley bottom is prime game habitat, with many small creeks flowing down from the mountains on each side, and willow swamps and cattail bogs adjacent to the rivers and creeks.

First time poster! I was reading some past threads and there was one about old Bigfoot newsletters, which got me wondering about how many there have been. Does anyone know? Here are the ones that I can find and I would appreciate any additional information or corrections: The Bigfoot Times - Daniel Perez (Jan 1998 - still in print; I subscribe) Monthly Bigfoot Report - Don Keating (1992 - ?) Bigfoot Bulletin - George Haas (1974 -1977, monthly) Track Records - Ray Crowe (1992 - 2004?) Bigfoot News - Peter Byrne (Oct 1974 - 1979) Other than The Bigfoot Times earlier incarnation (1979-1986), were there none in the 1980s? Thanks!

Well, to be fair? There is a lot of hoaxing going on. And the deepfake stuff is getting better by the day. But a common thing I hear among Bigfooters and skeptics alike? Is why don’t we get any camera trap photos? Well….. we do! We also get tons and tons of IPhone video of a dark figure walking across a slope or through a forest, etc, etc. To put it into perspective? People complain about grainy FLIR footage shot by a F/A 18 Super Hornet in regards to UAPs…..🤷‍♂️ And then as you say people become enthralled with a photo or video of a cryptid or whatever that then becomes the unrealistic bar by which everything else is measured. In Bigfootdom that’s the PGF. In the Loch Ness monster it’s the surgeons photo. In UFO’s it’s the McMinnville photo. Whatever. So when you don’t see a flying saucer…. You see a flying cigar? Your sighting doesn’t line up… Or you don’t see a bipedal hominid you see a quadruped ape thing? Again it doesn’t line up. All I can say from my 53 years of hunting and fishing is that something weird is going on in Pennsylvania AND Kentucky. If the Jacobs photos obviously showed a Bear in its two photos? Non of us would have heard about it. Is it proof? Of course not. But we do have proof of Chimp DNA in a national forest in Kentucky. That’s proof! What is it doing there? That remains to be seen. But without a doubt it’s weird. And if I was standing on my porch in Kentucky and heard or saw a Chimp in the woods? Where would my mind go?

The soundscape of surveillance cameras is complicated and is obnoxious to the animal world. Noisy, hard to hide and off gas odors. Spiders and ants enjoy the magnetic fields from the batteries. Some plastics off gas formic acid and that translates to the smell of bee hives and ant hills= bear snack. I am not aware of any reports of an anteater going after a trail cam like bears do. Just an FYI; polypropylene and noryl do not off gas or absorb moisture. Cases made of PP by SeaHorse and Pelican have their place. Those cases have thick walls and do well to attenuate ultrasonic noises. I am reminded of an incident years ago involving trail cameras and small diameter trees in a shallow root ball environment. The researcher checked on the cameras and found the trees had been pushed over and the cameras were aimed at the ground. The statistics for trail camera sales need different categories. Not everyone is monitoring for a hunting season. Trail cameras are purchased for home / property security. Years ago, trail cameras were very expensive and the selection was limited. A cursory check of on line vendors shows a huge inventory, made overseas and many available for about $50. I have been watched putting up trail cameras and placing food. They spy on us and spying on them is difficult.

Well….a Chimp certainly doesn’t have much of a heel. And if they curl their toes I don’t think you could easily discern it from a paw. Unless it’s using its feet as hands.

It is not a Sasquatch. Again, the camera had a factory setting of one image every 30 seconds. 30 seconds is a lot time for an animal to enter and leave a bait station. That format can be limiting for ID and locomotion observations. It was cost effective to monitor for deer, bear, turkey or ground hogs. An image does show that the target did not have an elongated Calcaneus at the heel = not a Sasquatch. I have had a lot bear images: walking forwards, walking backwards, doing a spin and turn move to change directions, walking on a log etc. I deleted most of them. It is a blobsquatch to be fodder for social media. At the end of the day, there is an expression that works: " I don't know". 'I don't know' is a good answer. For those of you who want to burn more time, find out if Mr. Jacobs sold his Bushnell camera on ebay and bought a Reconyx brand camera. That time period would probably be an RM45, RC55 or an old Silent Image. Carry on.

That's one heckuva black kettle.

I took a few hours this afternoon to go a little further than I had ever been on the east side of Stave Lake, to a spot called Grotto Falls. I didn't quite reach the falls, as that would require fording the river to go up the far bank, and I was solo for this run. As it was, I had to take a couple of pretty sketchy bypasses around some washouts, the first one of which had a young lady winching her Jeep to get out of, as she couldn't make it without a locking axle. Even with my rear locker engaged, I had to make 3 attempts to get up the short, steep climb. The weather was great, a nice warm, sunny spring day in the mountains, so it was a pleasure to be out there. I didn't see any game or obvious tracks along the route, but I enjoyed the time in the mountains anyway.

And there it is as suspected. Why are you posting on this thread?

I don’t find you amusing at all. You’re just a troll. Your reasoning is about as good as your reading comprehension.

You’re the one that just said a chimp in the middle of Pennsylvania was nonsense? There were 4 at least at one time for sure in the same area because the Jacob creature was North from Pittsburgh and those monkeys were North West from Philadelphia.

This photo is 100% Primate running wild in Pennsylvania during winter!

IDK, maybe if you would have just owned up to your mistake when I first pointed it out?

So you meant to quote my posting, and then refer entirely to another person's comments.

Wasnt referring to you.... so mine is not the confusion...... No..... maker of wacky claims needs wacky proof. Thats how critical thinking works. Nothing wacky about a bear at a bear station doing bear stuff. Normal, I never used, you did. Prove it isnt....

And not worth the time/energy to debate further.

I think they would work on any animal. The same reason women stay out of dangerous bear areas during their menstrual cycle.

I think body proportions are very important in studying films. The tracks I saw in the snow were not human. They could not have made by a human. Unless it was Robert Wadlow walking barefoot on a mountain in December? Many people just don’t understand. They imagine wooden feet tracks in 6 inches of snow. Nothing like that. The snow was deep.

On Sunday, March24th, I spent the day with my son Rick exploring the creek valleys to the east of Chilliwack Lake, just north of the Canada/US border. This area is only accessible from the Canadian side, as the FSR ends a km or so short of the line, and no roads extend north into the area from the US side. We first ventured up the Paleface Creek valley on the old decommissioned FSR, up to the point where the snow pack halted progress in the H3. We spotted the first fresh bear scat of this year on the way, and one scrawny looking grouse, but not much else of interest. Skunk cabbage is blooming in the area, which is often the first food for bears in the spring. We then continued south on the main FSR to the Depot Greek valley, which also has been decommissioned, with lots of deep water bars, almost at the limit of what my H3 can handle. In this valley, there was no snow until the very end of the road, which is about 500 meters from the border, according to Gaia Maps. The scenery in this valley is great, so we took a few pictures, and scouted around for tracks. We found lots of deer prints, and some large canine ones as well, which might have been someone's dog trotting around. It was getting late , so we backtracked along the shore of Chilliwack Lake to pavement at the north end of the lake, where we stopped to air the tires back up for the hour ride back home, as the sun set on a great day out in nature.

^^^^ I think I said it up-thread, but maybe worth repeating ... as I understand the ESA listing process, you can't have something listed as endangered until science accepts that it exists. A person can argue "should" all they want, I think that is an unavoidable fact that has to be dealt with realistically, not wishfully. MIB

Yes, trail camera type images and nothing to write home about. I was watched from a distance beyond the range of the PIR as I checked a trail camera. Furball was hiding behind a big log.

This is why I seldom "go bigfooting." Instead, I go fishing, hiking, hunting, exploring, taking pictures, whatever. Make those my first priority. Do it where there seems to be an elevated (comparatively speaking) chance of bigfoot activity, but make bigfoot .. secondary. The odds of success at those other things seems higher, high enough to keep the interest going, and "bigfoot country" is a great place to do them.

Coyote with mange?

Welcome unlikely knot, Wend, Coyote138, and Alvan. Welcome Drwinter; I hope you had a good time at the Honobia Bigfoot Festival.

Here are some interesting impressions, and all along this lil spring fed creek, shown at the source in pic 1.....it will have water even in late summer, so it's on every critters radar. The next 2 pics were coming out of the creek area and up an incline, so only the front portion of print made contact with the ground, with push-off material on the downside of both. The next pic were some interesting over lapping impressions, Hairyman prints don't always have to be big, if that's what they are:)

Just like swamp gas or Venus on the horizon when people have witnesses a UFO. It’s the safe explanation. Even when our eyes and logic tell us different.

Freeman was not a hoax... he wanted to make a set of feet for testing and to determine the weights based on depth of the prints he was finding and it was taken out of context...that has long been put to bed but yet some always bring it up. Heres an article on the juvenile, if you view the original you can see it. http://www.oregonbigfoot.com/bigfoot_video/freeman_bigfoot.php