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  1. Here are some photos from the post above: Chilliwack Lake looking North e
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  2. Actually the snail darter is not a snail. It is a fish.
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  3. I am just getting warmed up. I wanted to make a post on St. Patricks' day but was blocked by the new firewall. The M18 Motorway in Ireland has one of the famous Hawthorn Trees. Score: Fairies 1, science 0. The delay cost extra tax payer dollars and about 10 years behind schedule. The tax payers approved the extra money to move the motorway project. That Hawthorn Tree is considered to be a portal for the Kerry / Munster Fairies and the Cannaught Fairies to do battle. That portal is their link to the 'Otherworld'. Portals. Why is it portals? This forum has a lot of members in Wales, England, Scotland and Ireland. Places of deep history and high strangeness. I want to know more about the 'Grey Man' and 'Selkies'.
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  4. I am back to kick the hornet's nest. I was way off about the State animal procedure happening in the 90's. It was during 1970. I had to dig deep in the Catmandoo files to retrieve a few gems. I posted a comment about the date that the Skamania County Ordinance was reviewed. In 1984, April 1st was on a Sunday. Clever Commissioners had to wait until Monday, the 2nd. Besides the Skamania County Ordinance, I am aware of action in Whatcom County and Grays Harbor County. Whatcom and Grays Harbor County paperwork are aligned to a refuge-protection area, not an ESA zone. Washington's official proclamation to make Sasquatch the state monster is a good read. There is a link at the bottom of the Archives Spotlight page that will hook you up with 19 pages of proclamation notes, memos and some poems and lyrics. On page 7, they present information on the Sasquatch--Modoc Treaty. Whatcom County: https://documents.whatcomcounty.us/WebLink/DocView.aspx?dbid=0&id=3276411&page=1&cr=1 Grays Harbor County, action in this century 2022: https://www.kxro.com/grays-harbor-designated-as-a-sasquatch-protection-and-refuge-area/ Washington State Monster with a good image of Patty: https://blogs.sos.wa.gov/fromourcorner/index.php/2018/01/history-friday-washingtons-official-state-monster/ The work in the previous century was humorous, serious and they avoided the ESA arena with safety zones / refuges. Those fifth grade students in Hoquiam will probably work the forest with disposable , one-time use cameras.
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  5. On Sunday, March24th, I spent the day with my son Rick exploring the creek valleys to the east of Chilliwack Lake, just north of the Canada/US border. This area is only accessible from the Canadian side, as the FSR ends a km or so short of the line, and no roads extend north into the area from the US side. We first ventured up the Paleface Creek valley on the old decommissioned FSR, up to the point where the snow pack halted progress in the H3. We spotted the first fresh bear scat of this year on the way, and one scrawny looking grouse, but not much else of interest. Skunk cabbage is blooming in the area, which is often the first food for bears in the spring. We then continued south on the main FSR to the Depot Greek valley, which also has been decommissioned, with lots of deep water bars, almost at the limit of what my H3 can handle. In this valley, there was no snow until the very end of the road, which is about 500 meters from the border, according to Gaia Maps. The scenery in this valley is great, so we took a few pictures, and scouted around for tracks. We found lots of deer prints, and some large canine ones as well, which might have been someone's dog trotting around. It was getting late , so we backtracked along the shore of Chilliwack Lake to pavement at the north end of the lake, where we stopped to air the tires back up for the hour ride back home, as the sun set on a great day out in nature.
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  6. Here you go Backdoc: Article: Skamania Ordinance2 Date Posted: Nov-18-2006 ORDINANCE NO. 1984-2 PARTIALLY REPEALING AND AMENDING ORDINANCE NO. 1969-01 WHEREAS, evidence continues to accumulate indicating the Possible existence within Skamania County a nocturnal primate mammal Variously described as an ape-like creature or sub-species of Homo Sapiens; and WHEREAS, legend, purported recent findings, and spoor support This possibility; and WHEREAS, this creature is generally and commonly known as “Sasquatch”, “Yeti”, “Bigfoot”, or “Giant Hairy Ape”, all of which terms may be hereinafter be used interchangeably; and WHEREAS, publicity attendant upon such real or imagined findings And other evidence have resulted in an influx of scientific investigators as well as casual hunters, most of which are armed with lethal weapons; and WHEREAS, the absence of specific national and state laws restricting the taking of specimens has created a dangerous state of affairs within this county in regard to firearms and other deadly devices used to hunt the Yeti and poses a clear and present danger to the safty of the well-being persons living or traveling within the boundries of this county as well as to the Giant Hairy Apes themselves; and WHEREAS, previous County Ordinance No. 1969-01 deemed the slaying of such creature to be a felony (punishable by 5 years in prison) and may have exceeded the jurisdictional authority of that Board of County Commissioners; now, therefore BE IT HEREBY ORDAINED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF SKAMANIA COUNTY that a portion of Ordinance No. 1969-1, deeming the slaying of Bigfoot to be a felony punishable by 5 years in prison, is hereby repealed and in its stead the following sections are enacted: SECTION 1. Sasquatch Refuge. The Sasquatch, Yeti, Bigfoot, or Giant Hairy Ape are declared to be endangered species of Skamania County and there is hereby created a Sasquatch Refuge, the boundaries of which shall be co-extensive with the boundaries of Skamania County. SECTION 2. Crime-Penalty. From and after the passage of this ordinance the premeditated, willful, or wanton slaying of Sasquatch shall be unlawful and shall be punishable as follows: (a) If the actor is found to be guilty of such a crime with malice aforethought, such act shall be deemed a Gross Misdemeanor. (b) If the act is found to be premeditated and willful or wanton but without malice aforethought, such act shall be deemed a Misdemeanor. (c) A gross misdemeanor slaying of Sasquatch shall be punishable by 1 year in the county jail and a $1,000.00 fine, or both. (d) The slaying of Sasquatch which is deemed a misdemeanor shall be punishable by a $500.00 fine and up to 6 months in the county jail, or both. SECTION 3. Defense. In the prosecution and trail of any accused Sasquatch killer the fact that the actor is suffering from insane delusions, diminished capacity, or that the act was the product of a diseased mind, shall not be a defense. SECTION 4. Humaniod/Anthropoid. Should the Skamania County Coroner determine any victim/creature to have been humanoid the Prosecuting Attorney shall persue the case under existing laws pertaining to homicide. Should the coroner determine the victim to be an anthropoid (ape-like creature) the Prosecuting Attorney shall proceed under the terms of this ordinance. BE IT FUTHER ORDAINED that the situation existing constitutes an emergency and such this ordinance shall become effective immediately upon its’ passage. REVIEWED this 2nd day of April, 1984, and set for a public hearing on the 16th day of April, 1984, at 10:30 o’clock A.M. Note: Became law on April 16th 1984. Note that this was reviewed on April 2nd. Maybe an April Fool's joke. The first DNA sample that was sent to the FBI for analysis was submitted on April 1st. Be alert. Section 1 is fluffy foo-foo. And then there is Section 3: SECTION 3. Defense. In the prosecution and trail of any accused Sasquatch killer the fact that the actor is suffering from insane delusions, diminished capacity, or that the act was the product of a diseased mind, shall not be a defense. ( where is the fun in that? ) I would have thought that 'insane delusions', 'diminished capacity' and 'diseased mind' would cover all the bases. And section 4 deals with homicide. Don't even think of dragging the body across county lines. Back in the 90's, a warm and fuzzy attempt was made to make Sasquatch the Washington State animal / mammal. Did not fly.
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  7. Can we call it the asteroid fine? I am thinking at least 5000 dollars and 50 hours of community service!
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  8. On what grounds would you charge a motorist whose vehicle struck and killed a dodo, or passenger pigeon, or Carolina parakeet?
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  9. ^^^^ I think I said it up-thread, but maybe worth repeating ... as I understand the ESA listing process, you can't have something listed as endangered until science accepts that it exists. A person can argue "should" all they want, I think that is an unavoidable fact that has to be dealt with realistically, not wishfully. MIB
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  10. Yes, trail camera type images and nothing to write home about. I was watched from a distance beyond the range of the PIR as I checked a trail camera. Furball was hiding behind a big log.
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  11. Love the topic of Bigfoot. There is a lot of evidence of them. However elusive, hope they can be verified and protected.
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  12. Logical question? Why would a governing body create laws to protect extinct species? Let's say the USFWS passes a law making it illegal to kill a T Rex? They would be the laughing stock of the world. This is not even remotely close to the subject of Bigfoot. Lets say Catmandoo is correct in his assumption that Bigfoot populations are healthy and stable. Then why would we put them in the same category as an extinct species? Here is my personal belief. If Bigfoot is discovered in say California? It is such a unique, rare and very human like animal that the knee jerk reaction will be to protect them. We have laws on the books already that protect Bigfoot such as Skamania county. If states started passing protection laws? The federal government is going to follow suit. Its going to be a media frenzy. It will be huge. Lots and lots of public pressure. No one is going to open a hunting season for them like a Bear or Deer. They are much too human like. Just like laws are passed to protect other great apes currently.
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  13. Hi from Canada! I've been interested in Sasquatch ever since I came across a picture of the Patterson-Gimlin film in Ripley's Believe It Or Not book in the late 2000's. I joined the forums today because I wanted to find information on a specific case that involved a sighting at a casino in Concho, Oklahoma.
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  14. Interesting thread full of good points. The wilderness is enjoyable and the last day in the woods is the worst day in the woods, hopefully there's always one more. You could spend a lifetime in the woods and never hear or see anything out of the ordinary. You could stumble from your back door too your garbage cans and spot a bigfoot in your yard. I don't think there's a way to improve the odds other than to be out there, enjoying the fresh air. As far as new innovation in the subject, and as much as he's a self aggrandizing showboater, "thinker thunker" promoting body proportion measurement of old photos and videos certainly sheds new light on old evidence. I've heard skepticism over his technique but it still holds true. Go grab a bunch of photos and measure relative length of arms, legs and torso and see what appears.
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  15. Hello from South Florida. I’ve come to seek a deeper understanding of the topic and learn from those of you with lived experience. The notion that there’s something so grand thriving just beyond the boundaries of our society fascinates me to no end. I’m thrilled to be here and intend to listen and learn. JJ
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  16. Which is just a vicious cycle. We cannot classify a species that has not been discovered. Therefore we cannot afford them any protection under the endangered species act. Or the Bureau of Indian affairs for that matter, if you prefer. Until proof is presented? They reside in the realm of Pixies and Gnomes. And no one is going to stop a freeway project or a new dam project for a Pixie or a Gnome. So right now it’s a crap shoot. With no scientific data to back up any of our conclusions.
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  17. We have no way to quantify if they are doing well or not. But I am sure the loss of habitat along the I5 corridor, the loss of salmon runs, the Mt. St. Helen’s eruption, etc have all had impacts on their population. It would be my hope that if the species is recognized by science that it would be Federally protected.
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