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Happy camp started their Bigfoot Jamboree in 1970. Willow Creek, 50 years ago. As of this date, the Wallace family has refused to produce measurements or a cast from the ground made from that wooden foot. That could show us just how it translates into a hoax. Ray Wallace obtained some real tracks from Bob Titmus. He duplicated them so that he could sell plaster copies. IMHO, the stompers were only used to make copies in soft soil so he could cast and sell them. He saw a Titmus cast and tried to duplicate it as best as he or maybe Rant Mullens could. Those straps would not have held up from walking in. Thats why the news program didn't show the resultant footprints because the straps broke and it looked just like a wooden foot stomp, not very deep and rocking in the middle. All the wooden feet these two produced would not fool anyone. I visited Ray Wallace at his store and saw his track casts on the walls. He had some for sale there. They all looked to have been made in the same soil. Perfectly stomped down and up to get the impression to cast. There was not flexion at all, something you can clearly see in the John Green pictures. BTW... John Green is holding a cast from the PGF trackway.

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Yes they do...

Especially when running - Especially on the forehand - Then add the impact. There is many times that one hoof lands alone and takes the main brunt of the weight. A horse carries about 65 % of it's weight on the front legs. That in mind, it's not like the horse is some solid stationary nonliving object, like a big 800 pound cast iron table with four legs (and definitely not like a nonexistent Bigfoot) Even a horse standing square as possible, this weight gets shifted around and the bulk of this weight is still up front. When the horse lifts that one front leg, where do you think the weight is going?

Here is something cool interesting - The horse's hoof is the equivalent of our middle finger. :] Seriously it really is. lol

If it were to do as you suggest, it would topple over. quadrupeds cannot put all their weight on only one foot. Whether it's 25/25/25/25, or 20/20/30/30, or whatever, all 1300lbs of horse NEVER pressed solely on one hoof. Period.

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But it doesn't look to be the same width compared to...itself.

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In your photo comparison, the stomper is foreshortened. The track might be too, but that needs to be determined. They probably match, but your gridded comparison can't tell us that.

Good for purely demonstrative purposes to show similarities, overall shape and detail similarity. Not so accurate using these two photos examples for comparing - to determine they are indeed same (this Wallace stomper used to create this foot impression picture). Something like that anyways, right?. More Coffee needed :) I need a de-foreshortening tool.

A 3d model of this Wallace stomper would be nice?

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But it doesn't look to be the same width compared to...itself.

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In your photo comparison, the stomper is foreshortened. The track might be too, but that needs to be determined. They probably match, but your gridded comparison can't tell us that.

look at the spots on both feet they match up exactly the same.from the top second toe has a spot in the middle.down from the big toe another spot in the same place.the two in the middle in exactly the same place.then two more middle bottom exactly the same place.this is the same foot in both clearly.

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If it were to do as you suggest, it would topple over. quadrupeds cannot put all their weight on only one foot. Whether it's 25/25/25/25, or 20/20/30/30, or whatever, all 1300lbs of horse NEVER pressed solely on one hoof. Period.

Sorry to disagree. For split seconds, with a running horse, this weight is shifted, a great deal of it, is put onto that one leg and hoof that strikes the ground. Besides that, most this weight is up front and this weight can shift more onto one leg than the other.

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Sorry to disagree. For split seconds, with a running horse, this weight is shifted, a great deal of it, is put onto that one leg and hoof that strikes the ground. Besides that, most this weight is up front and this weight can shift more onto one leg than the other.

Not all of it, as your repeated use of qualifiers shows that you know. Also, a horse moving at high speed is NOT under the same force dynamics as a horse standing still.

Unless you're now going to change your ad hoc hypothesis to say that either Patterson or Gimlin went galloping after the sasquatch right on top of the trackway...

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same foot in both pics

Badly pixellated non-aligned side by sides prove nothing.

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I dont think Ray was always a hoaxer, he might have become one after awhile, but im sure he didnt start out as one, that dude had a lotta knowledge of the big dude going way back, you guys gotta read some of those letters, specially about talking to old timers in a hotel.....he mentions something about chinese miners and happy camp.........

Im sure this may have changed after the pgf came out and maybe his knowledge was passed by, but like I said, IMHO he was not always a hoaxer

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Badly pixellated non-aligned side by sides prove nothing.

lol look at every pic on this thread they are the same the marks line up in every pic...even has that same crease on the left ,,

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How come no one is getting this? Of course they are the same stomper. That's why I posted them side by side. So how come they aren't the same width? Because the photo of the narrow one was altered to fit into the track to show that they match. Where is the original photo of Dale Wallace holding this stomper? That would settle it.

ETA: And no, they are not the same photo.

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How come no one is getting this? Of course they are the same stomper. That's why I posted them side by side. So how come they aren't the same width? Because the photo of the narrow one was altered to fit into the track to show that they match. Where is the original photo of Dale Wallace holding this stomper? That would settle it.

ETA: And no, they are not the same photo.

I got it and the first time, too.

No doubt? So how was this supposed to work? Ray Wallace bopped down from Toledo, Washington, to stomp out a bunch of tracks overnight that might have been run over by the construction equipment before anyone even saw them in the morning?

The carved feet can't be fitted to the actual tracks for obvious reasons but doesn't it make sense someone carved the stompers in imitation of a Titmus cast? It does to me.

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So how was this supposed to work? Ray Wallace bopped down from Toledo, Washington, to stomp out a bunch of tracks overnight that might have been run over by the construction equipment before anyone even saw them in the morning?

All in a night's work. Five hundred miles, each way. It's a thankless job, that hoaxing stuff, but somebody's gotta' do it. You'd think the denialists would take better care of the hoaxers they so desperately need to maintain their denial.

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Not all of it, as your repeated use of qualifiers shows that you know. Also, a horse moving at high speed is NOT under the same force dynamics as a horse standing still.

Unless you're now going to change your ad hoc hypothesis to say that either Patterson or Gimlin went galloping after the sasquatch right on top of the trackway...

Not going to change anything. Well, when only one hoof briefly strikes the ground, which it does when fully running, how much weight and force do you think is exerted on that foot?

But still, there is a considerable amount of weight distributed to the front legs of a horse, standing still, walking, whatever, and that all depends on it's balance at any given time. I ride, from time to time, a much bigger horse than Gimlin was riding, and that horse in the barn sand, or in the field muck, leaves behind deeper front hoof impressions than 800 pound horses while standing. Again, that depends on how I can get the horse to shift that weight around, get it standing square, or how the horse chooses to stand and shift it's weight all by lonesome.

How heavy do you think Patty was?

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