Doc Holliday Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 (edited) as we've touched on in the gifting thread, imo, a lot of questioning arises from avoiding "BF Burn"IOW, any of us that's into this for a while have waded through the same bull excrement in one form or the other. this field of interest has way more than its share of BS factor with all the hoaxers and attention seekers over the years.so whether just another cool story or the latest build up to a let down (DNA anyone? ) eventually its easy to become jaded to a degree. perhaps wishing to avoid getting burned (yet again) generates a lot of the questions / evidence requests not only from skeptics but proponents as well , especially when things start sounding all too familiar .... so, how much does BF Burn influence the questioning here? and discuss any ideas on how to avoid or deal with it.....have fun. Edited August 4, 2014 by Doc Holliday 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiflier Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 Hello Doc Holliday, Sure there's BF Burn. I think as time has passed a lot of chaffe has gone by too and what's left is a far more focused and knowledgeable Forum. New members are actually brought along fairly quickly to the more major theaters of the subject and so don't perhaps have the trudge and research ahead of then like in the early years. Being burned doesn't seem to last as long although the discussions that get generated do such as the Sykes/Sartori thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chelefoot Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 It seems to me that there's two different things going on. I do take some people's word that they have seen/experienced what they say they have seen/experienced. Otherwise, I would have no reason to believe that these creatures exist! But OTOH, I do take issue with some claims of knowing the BFs intentions, their reasons for doing things, how they think.... I want to know how these people know this stuff. If they are simply coming to these conclusions and stating them as facts when actually it's only their opinion, then I'm going to reserve judgement until I see more evidence. Is it because of BF burn? Yes, and no. Some people just need more proof than others, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WV FOOTER Posted August 4, 2014 Admin Share Posted August 4, 2014 Personally, I discount anything that sends up a Red Flag, from my perspective. I have learned to trust my own judgement, vs. Someone who thinks that every tree break or deer bone was the result of a Bigfoot. My interest in the subject requires me to read as much as I can get a Hold of. But, if there is any doubt in my mind regarding the validity of a Story, I usually cut the cord and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DWA Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 (edited) Most of what happens in this field is not worth the time it takes to read it. But the dreck is what most people spend all their time talking about. Here's what I try to remember to avoid BF Burn: 1) Evidence says 'animal.' Anything that doesn't behave like a temperate-zone omnivorous primate that the bulk of the evidence points to: ignore. 2) People will bring their own experiences to their BF experience. If they aren't taxonomists...well, their observations aren't taxonomy. (No one's is who isn't working on a specimen.) 3) If they don't produce proof immediately, there's only one decision to make: toss it on the pile of stuff needing explaining, or toss this person on the list of folk not to be concerned about. Move on. 4) THE ONLY THING THAT SWINGS THE CONVERSATION IS A SPECIMEN. Without that (DNA: not a specimen), next! BF burn comes from over-eagerness combined with underexposure to the evidence. Get acquainted with the evidence and bingo! No burn. I think that some people just need proof now, something that in science never happens. But most people don't pay enough attention to science to know that. They're expecting proof last week. Really, we are pretty precisely where anyone well-acquainted with the evidence would think we should be on this. Edited August 4, 2014 by DWA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyO Posted August 4, 2014 SSR Team Share Posted August 4, 2014 There is no burn. I've seen one, I know they exist, I want to learn more and more and more about what I saw, there is no burn.. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Holliday Posted August 4, 2014 Author Share Posted August 4, 2014 lol, bobby you know what I mean my friend. the burn, at least discussion wise, comes from hearing "bull-oney" one too many times. once the tell tale red flags start popping up the questions start rolling in , as expected. a lot of those questions / challenges , imo, come from having heard it all before and not wanting to get suckered in by another tall tale. iow, that may be why many , aside from skepticism, aren't willing to take claims at face value, especially the more colorful ones. some of the ones being questioned get huffed up ...perhaps understanding a possible reason behind the questions could alleviate the huffiness .....assuming the claim/story is legit . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Yes Doc, I'd have to agree. I've definitely became more jaded and therefore quite a bit more skeptical since I arrived here a few years ago. I watched films on BF when I was young, and read everything the local library had on the subject. I always figured that, if real, it had to fit into the natural world just like everything else. Occasionally I would get hooked by a news story such as the Georgia Freezer incident and then I get here (after a long hiatus called life) and I find all these fascinating stories of BF living in your back yard (which would have scared the crap out of me as a youngster because I was sure BF was behind every cedar tree or bush when I was out doing chores anyway.) Then when asked for any sort of evidence to back these stories you get a variety of responses but none providing the answers that so many of us are looking for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyO Posted August 5, 2014 SSR Team Share Posted August 5, 2014 Yeah I know doc, only pulling your leg.. It's what happens though when we are so far away from these things, like we are. And by so far away I mean that, as I've said before and with no disrespect to anybody, the field is littered with unqualified volunteers and a hardcore behind it who wants info, but of course can't get enough to sustain their appetite. So things repeat, and repeat, and repeat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Holliday Posted August 5, 2014 Author Share Posted August 5, 2014 agreed bobby, +1..... we are far from these things and with all the schools of thought who knows who is really qualified in BF.I suspect the good info gets drowned in the wash rinse repeat cycle. in the 30 + years since I was drawn into this I have spent a lot of time hunting, fishing, camping out there and normally its business as usual with very few experiences that I couldn't explain away. so apparently i'm not in a "hot spot" for BF, if there is such a place, so the ever popular "get your own proof" line isn't always the best answer and one I consider a red flag usually. info is appreciated, but even if I had a "close up / no doubt about it "encounter i'd still want to know more. its when the info turns to stories then turns to mush again and again , imo, that its easy to get burned out and start tough questions to weed out the attention seekers and the ones just trying to play us for fools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post WSA Posted August 5, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted August 5, 2014 No burn. Only deliberate curiosity. If you take this approach, and keep your expectations in check, you do not make yourself vulnerable at all. I keep my eyeballs peeled when I am out of doors anyway, always. If I spot something that fits my understanding of what this animal is, I will have chalked up another experience of the kind I hope to have plenty of by the time I croak. If I don't, I'll still have lots to reflect on that is pretty special too. I think we call this outcome a "win-win", am I right? No timetable. Low expectations. Look for consistencies in the evidence and follow it. Do that, and you're playing the long, smart game, I believe. I"m astounded at all the mind-blowing discoveries that have been made in my short life. None (Repeat: NONE) of those were my due, or anyone else's. They could just have easily not happened. I'm just grateful to my fellow humans that they expended the calories to make them, or were paying attention when those were dropped in their laps, and had the presence to document them when they did. I'm thankful for all those adults and teachers who steered me right as a kid to pay attention to that kind of knowledge, and who stoked my energy to stay curious, to this day. Life would be a pretty grim undertaking without that... for me at least. I try to find a down-side to this field of inquiry, and I'm frankly unable to ever see any. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DWA Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 ^^^That. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyO Posted August 5, 2014 SSR Team Share Posted August 5, 2014 Plussed WSA, nice post.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSA Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Thanks y'all. I knew there are many here who have this exact same approach to it. You are two I would have put on that list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIB Posted August 6, 2014 Moderator Share Posted August 6, 2014 No burn. First, don't over-invest your ego in any aspect of this. Don't put more of your personal credibility on the line than you can afford to have questioned. Second, pace yourself. Keep your overall priorities in mind when choosing how much time / money / effort you put into "bigfoot stuff." Don't rob your family of YOU. We can all look around and see the slightly unbalanced personalities bigfooting attracts disproportionally. I'd suggest it's not just those other folks, it's us, it's ME, too. Denial doesn't change it. This means we're like alcoholics working in a bar or gambling addicts working at a casino, we're always on the hairy edge of letting temptation drag us one step too far. We HAVE to self monitor if we're going to participate without taking that one step too far. IMHO anyway. MIB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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