I was looking at an old thread recently and found a few posts by norseman on the effect of stuffing a kid in a snowsuit, the effect being to make it pretty impossible for the kid to lower his arms and then move them properly. This is a pretty common place observation for people with kids who live where there is winter.   The point here is that given the obviously massive thorax of Patty relative to height, whatever it is, a mime such as Bob H., or the vast majority of folks, would not be able