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Backdoc

Oddball Q:

Was there any military base in the area which had the ability to develop the film?

Other corporate or government facility?

BD

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So let's see we have an impossible timeline where a very specialized type of film was developed in spite of the film requiring proprietary chemicals and equipment and it was done by a private lab with multiple employees one of whom was willing to sneak the film in and jeopardize his job.  Oh and Roger trusted that person who was willing to go behind the bosses back and magically develop that film and be honest with Roger who was not present but still hundreds of miles away in Northern California and not make a copy of this unique film for himself and sell it to the highest bidder.  OK sure seems legit to me.

 

You have Roger with connections that could make suits that didn't exist at the time - people who could make tracks 5x deeper than other men - and people who would not even divulge their involvement or at the very least come out and say they figured out how to make the alleged Patty suit so to sell it for big $$$ to Hollywood ... so why would Roger or DeAtley not have a connection to process the film ... that would seem more legit to me than the silly theory you proposed.

 

 

This is poor logic and poor reasoning on your part BH.  I thought you could do better.  

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Backdoc

SWWAS...,

I think you did a great job explaining the big picture on film development.

Thank you.

BD

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Regardin private labs you said, an I quote..." A private lab would mean one person working for themselves who can't loose their job because they are their own boss."  

 

It would seem it was done by someone who had the capabilities to process the film, who or where I do not know...but neither do you.

 

The only guy you have that claims was in a suit, said he took the suit with him when Patterson an Gimlin went to tell of what happed, an we know that was Oct 20th. If you don't believe Heironimus, as most don't, then you're still up a creek with even less to go on. 

Pat Kodachrome was SPECIAL PROPRIATERY KODAK PROCESSING.  Which makes the private lab part not viable no matter how many people worked there.  Roger shot himself in the foot, he didn't think it through and how many people could have known the particular requirements of developing that film.  So to the local yokels private lab could work.  We know otherwise now.

 

Now then  how do you think a non Kodak lab developed Kodachrome film when only Kodak could do it?  Another Patterson lightening in a bottle instance?  BTW I don't believe Heironmous.  I do however believe he was not the only person Patterson could have employed.  Remember he was close with ANE a movie company.  Movie companies have actors and effects people and or connections to them.  Also the plane carrying the film wouldn't have reached Patterson's area until late and then had to get to the secret lab for mystery developing.  Sooooo did the mystery lab just happen to be an all night affair and remember a stranger would have been arriving with the film and begging the favor, not Roger who claims connection with lab?  Oh and it was a Friday night or rather early weekend Saturday morning.  Sure works for me...............

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Backdoc

The film development timeline is the one area worth looking into to the extent we can. May be nothing to it but it is a more objective and reasonable set of circumstances to discuss the PGF vs. things like the Wallace stompers. Believers must admit they would feel a lot happier if the development of the PGF was better known/documented.

Using SWWAS thinking in post #15, the issue seems to be just how fast they could get the PGF to a specialized place for processing. With most things, the more you are willing to pay, the faster results you can get on issues like that.

It is possible in a generic sense to have a business -normally closed on the weekends -open and do something rushed for a costumer if they write a check large enough.

Asking lab techs now about a film 50 years ago is a bit problematic on remembering much and if still alive might be in their 70s. Who knows what kind of records exist at Kodak or at a development lab. Probably little to none.

Aquestion i would have: big time money might be needed for a special order ( like priority shipping). Did Roger have such money?

These are all Qs worth exploring.

BD

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PBeaton

Pat, you ask who would I trust more to develop my film. Well, I would certainly send it to Kodak rather than some "friend" working in an illicit manner at an unknown lab. There are so many things that can go wrong during processing. I would make sure I get it done right before I unveil it, regardless of how long it takes. How did Patterson know that this guy could deliver the goods without messing up? Had Roger used this guy before and could trust him based on prior experience?

If you have just shot the most earth shattering film of all time are you going to trust this "guy who is risking his job" just for the sole purpose of showing the goods to the world the following day? I doubt it...

OldMort,

 

I use ta work roofin for years, say you needed your roof done an we were friends, say I did side jobs on the week ends, would you ask me to do a side job that was both quicker an cheaper, or go through my boss ? Same guys workin, same equipment/tools, same experience/guarantee. Who would you choose ?

 

Clearly it would likely be a friend, not some "friend", illicit manner...really, it's not like you're buyin a sawed off pump in the backroom of the local dive ! If he worked for the Kodak company an did side jobs or after hours jobs if he could, eh, it was the 60's an a known lab.  

 

Had I shot the film, I would trust the one I know willing jeopardise his job for me to do the job personally, than trust a stranger that doesn't no me nor give a BLEEP. But I grew up with people who believed their word was bond, that it meant somethin...not as common today from what I see. 

 

Pat...

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SweatyYeti

The film development timeline is the one area worth looking into to the extent we can.

BD

 

 

I respectfully disagree, Backdoc.  This aspect of the film is an absolute dead-end. 

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Regardin private labs you said, an I quote..." A private lab would mean one person working for themselves who can't loose their job because they are their own boss."  

Pat Kodachrome was SPECIAL PROPRIATERY KODAK PROCESSING.  Which makes the private lab part not viable no matter how many people worked there.  Roger shot himself in the foot, he didn't think it through and how many people could have known the particular requirements of developing that film.  So to the local yokels private lab could work.  We know otherwise now.

 

Now then  how do you think a non Kodak lab developed Kodachrome film when only Kodak could do it?  Another Patterson lightening in a bottle instance?  BTW I don't believe Heironmous.  I do however believe he was not the only person Patterson could have employed.  Remember he was close with ANE a movie company.  Movie companies have actors and effects people and or connections to them.  Also the plane carrying the film wouldn't have reached Patterson's area until late and then had to get to the secret lab for mystery developing.  Sooooo did the mystery lab just happen to be an all night affair and remember a stranger would have been arriving with the film and begging the favor, not Roger who claims connection with lab?  Oh and it was a Friday night or rather early weekend Saturday morning.  Sure works for me...............

 

Crowlogic,

 

"Which makes the private lab part not viable no matter how many people worked there." Then why did you bring them up ?

 

Now then, how did you completely rule out the possibility the film wasn't processed by a Kodak lab ? Where any pornos filmed in 16mm Kodachrome film durin the 60's ? Where were those filmed developed ? 

 

"Remember he was close with ANE a movie company." An just when did this occur Crowlogic...before or after the PGF ?

 

As I've said, I don't know, an neither do you. Ever hear that ol' sayin "I know that I know nothing." ?

 

Pat... 

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DannySpanks

Forgive me if this is a newbie question - But, what proof do we have as to exactly when the film was shot, when it was developed, and when it was first shown to people who had no previous involvement in the search for BF? (I'll call them "outsiders".)

 

Bigger question - How much of the PGF story has been verified by outsiders? By people who could not have possibly been involved in the filming, distribution, promotion, or profits from the film.

 

Again, I apologize. I'm sure these questions been answered in the past. I'm just thinking I'll get the answers quicker by simply asking, than by searching through the entire forum.

 

Thanks!

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The when it was shot was after Thursday or Friday morning when Lyle Laverty said he walked the spot where the film was taken and there were no footprints there at that time. Lyle Heard about the PGF in the press that weekend and went back there on Monday and  say the tracks. By Sunday - Patterson was seen at DeAtley's when several people had gone there to view the film for the first time. For Patterson to be in Yakima by Sunday - he and Bob had to be on the road at some time on Saturday. The window of when Laverty walked the site while on the job and saw no tracks to when Roger and Bob leaving on Saturday tends to support the official story.

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Regardin private labs you said, an I quote..." A private lab would mean one person working for themselves who can't loose their job because they are their own boss."  

Pat Kodachrome was SPECIAL PROPRIATERY KODAK PROCESSING.  Which makes the private lab part not viable no matter how many people worked there.  Roger shot himself in the foot, he didn't think it through and how many people could have known the particular requirements of developing that film.  So to the local yokels private lab could work.  We know otherwise now.

 

Now then  how do you think a non Kodak lab developed Kodachrome film when only Kodak could do it?  Another Patterson lightening in a bottle instance?  BTW I don't believe Heironmous.  I do however believe he was not the only person Patterson could have employed.  Remember he was close with ANE a movie company.  Movie companies have actors and effects people and or connections to them.  Also the plane carrying the film wouldn't have reached Patterson's area until late and then had to get to the secret lab for mystery developing.  Sooooo did the mystery lab just happen to be an all night affair and remember a stranger would have been arriving with the film and begging the favor, not Roger who claims connection with lab?  Oh and it was a Friday night or rather early weekend Saturday morning.  Sure works for me...............

 

Crowlogic,

 

"Which makes the private lab part not viable no matter how many people worked there." Then why did you bring them up ?

 

Now then, how did you completely rule out the possibility the film wasn't processed by a Kodak lab ? Where any pornos filmed in 16mm Kodachrome film durin the 60's ? Where were those filmed developed ? 

 

"Remember he was close with ANE a movie company." An just when did this occur Crowlogic...before or after the PGF ?

 

As I've said, I don't know, an neither do you. Ever hear that ol' sayin "I know that I know nothing." ?

 

Pat... 

 

I brought it up to illustrate that according to the type of film Patterson used that it could only have been developed at Kodak.  Now then that negates Roger's yarn that he took it to a private secret developer that did him a special favor.  Hahaha Roger wasn't even in town to take the film anywhere.  Remember he had it airlifted out.  So let's see he's in the woods the film is being flown to secret non Kodak lab to develop proprietary Kodak film that will be done as a favor to Roger when a stranger delivers the film to the secret lab.  However if the story line went something like We shot the hoax on Oct 12 and sent it to Kodak and they had it ready by the Oct 22 then we have a real timeline.  But oh come on this secret squirrel stuff has worn as thin as the rest of the yarn.

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Crowlogic

Forgive me if this is a newbie question - But, what proof do we have as to exactly when the film was shot, when it was developed, and when it was first shown to people who had no previous involvement in the search for BF? (I'll call them "outsiders".)

 

 

Thanks!

No all there is is Roger's story and Gimlin's more or less covering it.  But just stop and think for a moment.  A special film type that only Kodak develops, gets flown out of the wilderness on Friday night of Oct 20 1967 and is ready for showing on the afternoon of Oct 22 1967.   For me at least it required a bit too much bigfooter koolaid to wash that down? 

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OkieFoot

 

The film development timeline is the one area worth looking into to the extent we can.

BD

 

 

I respectfully disagree, Backdoc.  This aspect of the film is an absolute dead-end.

 

 

That's what I was thinking too; it seems like much ado about nothing. Even if it's learned just when and where the film was developed, the only thing it will prove is when and where the film was developed. It's not going to provide any evidence as to whether the film is real or fake.

If anyone thinks the film is fake, they have the film itself to study and analyze. 

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I use ta work roofin for years, say you needed your roof done an we were friends, say I did side jobs on the week ends, would you ask me to do a side job that was both quicker an cheaper, or go through my boss ? Same guys workin, same equipment/tools, same experience/guarantee. Who would you choose ?

 

Clearly it would likely be a friend, not some "friend", illicit manner...really, it's not like you're buyin a sawed off pump in the backroom of the local dive ! If he worked for the Kodak company an did side jobs or after hours jobs if he could, eh, it was the 60's an a known lab.  

 

Had I shot the film, I would trust the one I know willing jeopardise his job for me to do the job personally, than trust a stranger that doesn't no me nor give a BLEEP. But I grew up with people who believed their word was bond, that it meant somethin...not as common today from what I see. 

 

Pat...

 

However what if the roof in question was a slate roof (slate roofs require special equipment and skills.) and you say well we don't do slate roofs but I sorta can fix it, I kinda know how how it's done.  Then where do you get the roof fixed?  I needed the slate roof repaired at my my studio and it wasn't cheap and it required a slate specialist.

 

Once again Kodak Kodachrome required proprietary chemicals and special knowledge.  

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