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Bob Gimlin Was Interviewed April 16Th On C2C

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Bodhi

 

 

I suggest that you listen to:

How patterson directs the movement of the two men during the days prior to filming the subject

 

I did not pick up on anything unusual there.  He stated they went to that area due to hearing about these tracks. Gimlin was a friend of Roger's from his rodeo time and an outdoorsman in the mold of the Marburro Man.  He had never seen tracks and wanted to see some for himself. He was disappointed when they got down there and there was little to no traces to look at.  They went to the area of Bluff Creek after being many places. Even if Patterson directed him there, they went for 4 miles from their camp.  Patterson I don't think really directed them. They were in the Mt St Helens are as was their intent until hearing about the tracks down south. Had it not been for being summoned down to Bluff Creek or the nearby mountain, they would have stayed in the Mr. St. Helne's area.  If the thought is someone waited for hrs in an ape suit for Patterson to direct Gimlin to come across Patty that is some sort of plan and timing.  Gimlin regardless of any arrangement could have saw rogers excitement or his own and shot the guy in the suit or been crazy enough to ride his horse in pursuit until the guy in the suit collapsed from heat stroke.

 

How patterson stops gimlin from going after the filmed subject by claiming he "thought" there might be more sasquatches on the hill although he hadn't seen or heard anything to give him reason to think this.

 

Gimlin states he did not know for sure until he they talked and rehashed the event later why Patterson wanted him back.  Makes sense.  Patterson was vunerable with no horse or no gun.  If he had a gun it was on his horse.  If he has just seen a large massive ape like creature he had reason to be a bit nervous.  Roger really had no way to stop gimlin.  Gimlin while on his horse chose to turn around.  He did not have to.  I supposed we are to think Roger begged him to come back so Gimlin would not see Heironimus hiding down in a hole to cool off.  If the implication is Roger was trying to keep Gimlin from finding out about the hoax then that is a stretch. Gimlin could have simply told roger, "You are fine, I will be right back." and just turned around anyway.

 

How patterson does nothing to protect the trackway, prints from the storm whilst gimlin, who I believe was the dupe in this thing, is compelled to go out in the driving rain to attempt to protect the tracks with bark and pine boughs.

 

 

Patterson was asleep and did not get up to protect the pathway. Apparently after making cast and film and filming the creature the last thing a tired Roger wanted to do was to get up out of sleeping in his truck and go out and cover the tracks. It must have been their intention as gimlin has boxes he has taken from Al's store for that purpose.  So gimlin went out by 5:30-6am time to cover the tracks with bark the best he could. It was raining hard and the creek was rising.  If I was in Patterson's shoes there is no way in the world I would have got up and protected the trackway. I has it all on film and plaster and dogs are coming to help us track the thing.

 

Listen to how gimlin describes patterson behavior before and after with this in mind and let me know you thoughts. Thanks for asking about that.

 

Patterson's behavior was that of a exited and then later tired guy who made 2 phone calls and called some guy to bring tracking dogs down.  He anticipated tracking Patty some more.  he already knew he had the tracks, the testing of the tracks, the plaster, and the PGF already.  He had hrs before air mailed it to Big Al.  Sounds like a good day with all that could be done was done. Then he went to sleep which is understandable.  There is no behavior I heard which sounds suspect to me.

 

 

In summary. I thought for the first time this interview put the whole PGF in perspective.  Something I never thought about: They were tired.  Gimlin explains for instance why he was not there for the showing of the film. he was not there because after how tired he was for a couple of weeks of being out in the bush and the experience of trying to get out in the rain, he wanted to get back home and sleep which he did. He anticpated the film would be as good as what he saw live. He saw it later and felt it was disappointing as it was not as detailed as what he saw live.

 

It makes perfect sense Gimlin was absent form the first viewing now that I have heard the ordeal describe by someone who was there.

 

Gimlin sounded very convincing. I mean very convincing esp in light of comparing this interview to other interviews I have heard him give on Youtube and History Channel and so on. 

 

Those are just some of the thoughts from what you have suggested I listen for.  What was your impressions?

 

BD

 

I was thoroughly entertained by gimlin. He was clear on the events and conveyed those events very well.

 

From my perspective gimlin behaved as I would in the situation if I were the unsuspecting dupe of patterson. If I had physical evidence of a sasquatch, which would be a huge deal, I would protect it as much as possible. I would get out of the rack and try my best to protect the trackway. It hadn't been mapped yet and allowing the rain to destroy it is baffling.

Patterson behaved, IMO, suspiciously throughout. Not following the subject and directing gimlin to turn around as well. I know you see this differently but for my money you don't let it just walk away. Pursue and get a closer "shot" on film, give the camera to gimlin if you can't get back on your horse. Patterson was at least 80 feet away from the subject, there's zero immediate danger. His falls off his horse but the horse does not then run off. It's readily available. Let's remember that this is the whole point of the exercise, these two men were there for the expressed purpose of filming a sasquatch. To actually find one and then not followup by either jumping back on his own horse or giving the camera to gimlin to follow after the subject is baffling to me. Gimlin was both on a horse AND armed AND a seasoned hunter/tracker. I see little danger to him in pursuit. Patterson could then get back on his horse and follow gimlin's tracks across the drainage. The subject never displayed fear or aggression so why would patterson be concerned about being caught out? Why assume there are more sasquatches secreted around when there wasn't any evidence to suggest it?

 

Even for those who refuse to bring patterson's poor character into their own consideration, certainly his behavior during and after has to give some pause, no? Get back on your horse and ride to get a closer shot. You have an armed person with you who is an outdoorsman. You are there to shoot a "documentary" on sasquatch, get the shot. Even assuming you can't catch up with the subject on horseback before the subject leaves the drainage, you have an experienced person there with you. Get the shot!!

If you don't get the shot, for goodness sakes, protect the evidence with which you are left.

Gimlin seems like a great guy. Patterson and his brother in law seem, to me, to be guys who wanted to be famous/and make money.

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Bodhi

 

1) I was answering a direct question to another member. It had zero to do with you or your opinion of what is nonsense.

 

 

2) It's not nonsense, it's a fact that patterson was leading gimlin, literally, around in circles for a couple of days prior to filming the subject. Gimlin states as much in the interview. If you can't comprehend how this might lead to set up, I think you might be being willfully ignorant.

 

!)  So we cannot respond to something said to another member -  I don't think that will happen anytime soon.

 

2)  Try citing Gimlin's exact words and forget the "states as much".  And was Patterson leading Gimlin in circles when Bob went out on his own?  Keep in mind they went there on an invite to film the hundreds of tracks that Green's party had seen so would they not ride anywhere and everywhere in that area looking for places where tracks might be found - of course they would. And when they covered a particular area - the started searching over it again in hopes of seeing fresh tracks. The only evidence that points to any other motive is someone like yourself using the word "might". How about this .... you might be making up stuff that you have no evidence of.

 

Try listening to the interview before posting or better yet, go somewhere else to be disruptive.

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Bigfoothunter

^^

 

Cite the time stamp.

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Crowlogic

^  ^^ Bhodi  Bear in mind Patterson was armed as well.  He had with him a British Enfield 303.  Once reunited with his horse he was as armed and dangerous as Gimlin.  They could have/should have filmed the entire track way as well as the root ball where the mime/Patty emerged from.  Oh BTW in the early retelling Patterson claimed that they tracked Patty for a couple of miles into the forest.  So the story has always been riddled with holes and contradictions.  As far as the moon phase goes the night of the Oct 20 was overcast with the storm that broke before dawn on the 21st.  

 

Now about that storm exactly how bad was it?  Gimlin tells of a harrowing escape but a look at the Titmus casts and the photos Laverty took implies that perhaps it wasn't torrential.  It certainly wasn't bad enough to wipe out the tracks which remained well enough to make good photos and castings.  Also this storm grounded the local air traffic which is yet another red flag in Roger's airlifted the film out that night.  

 

At this point when Gimlin recounts the tale it's an old guy telling other old guys the very things they want to hear.  

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Bodhi

^  ^^ Bhodi  Bear in mind Patterson was armed as well.  He had with him a British Enfield 303.  Once reunited with his horse he was as armed and dangerous as Gimlin.  They could have/should have filmed the entire track way as well as the root ball where the mime/Patty emerged from.  Oh BTW in the early retelling Patterson claimed that they tracked Patty for a couple of miles into the forest.  So the story has always been riddled with holes and contradictions.  As far as the moon phase goes the night of the Oct 20 was overcast with the storm that broke before dawn on the 21st.  

 

Now about that storm exactly how bad was it?  Gimlin tells of a harrowing escape but a look at the Titmus casts and the photos Laverty took implies that perhaps it wasn't torrential.  It certainly wasn't bad enough to wipe out the tracks which remained well enough to make good photos and castings.  Also this storm grounded the local air traffic which is yet another red flag in Roger's airlifted the film out that night.  

 

At this point when Gimlin recounts the tale it's an old guy telling other old guys the very things they want to hear.  

All excellent points and I wasn't certain about patterson being armed. That makes his actions even more suspect in my mind.

 

And, according to a website showing the historical weather in the area, there was another storm which put down even more water the day before titmus is supposed to have arrived at the site. A proven unreliable source, B.H., has stated that titmus walked for two days up the bluff creek drainage so, in theory, he was hiking up the drainage in a storm which put more water than the storm that drove p&g out of the area.

 

Again, like many things sasquatch, as soon as one starts examining claims things get more and more hairy.......

 

And of course a good print and good photos can be manufactured and titmus is on the "not to be trusted list" anyway.....

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Bigfoothunter

 

Quick impressions (with more to come) after listening to the Coast to Coast interview with Gimlin. 

 

Issue:  "Full Moon"

 

 

 

Gimlin stated after the event and going to Al's store they went back to the camp site later that night it was a "full moon or bright moon".

 

Checking the online records, this is what is listed in the month of Oct 1967 moon phases:

 

1967 Full Moon  Oct. 18 and Oct 19th.  Coverage on the 18th was 100% Coverage; 99% full moon on 19th, and on the 20th was 97% covered.

 

As we can see, it was a near full moon as Gimlin's recollection on Oct 20th 1967.  That is supportive of the memory of Gimlin and very easy story he tells in this interview.

 

BD

agreed BD. Although some of the believers have implied that gimlin's memory is faulty he seemed completely lucid to me.

 

 

How many people who lived in the area of Bluff Creek have said it wasn't clear out with a full moon around midnight on the 20th of October?  It certain was sunny on the 19th and it didn't start to rain until around dawn, so is it not probable that Gimlin was correct about the weather at the time they got back from mailing off the film.

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kitakaze

At the 1:47:28 mark of the Gimlin interview on Coast 2 Coast he brings up his friend Thom Cantrall and endorses Cantrall's claims to be in communication with Patty and her offspring...

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnv6f9AK38U

 

Go mindspeak!

 

Sounds like Cantrall and Gimlin have all sorts of interesting conversations...

 

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The woman interviewing him Connie claims to have had a mindspeak experience with Bigfoot. 

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Bigfoothunter

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Cantrell also claims he can sit in a chair in the forest and Bigfoot will come to him. Is there supposed to be a correlation between Cantrell's mental state and Gimlin's you are wanting to make here?  Or are you trying to infer that because Cantrell being the only person who has been said to have Gimlin tell him they (Roger and Bob) were tracking three Sasquatch down to the creek that there is a smoking gun in that statement ...... or are you pointing out that Cantrell in what ever state of mind he was in at the time may have confused Bob mentioning there being three sets of tracks reported in the area that he had Roger came to California to see?

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Crowlogic

^It's all an indication of how bigfootism is a great big dog an pony show.  It's entertainment Miller and I understand you're quite the entertainer out here on them bigfoot safaris you take people's money for.

 

Kit that Thom Cantrell stuff made me wince.  I woulden't know him if I fell over him but I suspect he's just another paunchy old guy with a goatee and cammo hat.

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Bigfoothunter

^It's all an indication of how bigfootism is a great big dog an pony show.  It's entertainment Miller and I understand you're quite the entertainer out here on them bigfoot safaris you take people's money for.

 

If telling people the history of the Sasquatch in this area - and telling people about the more recent sighting reports in and around Harrison Lake and the immediate Fraser Valley - and allowing those same people access to castings and photographs that were discussed during their adventure with us classifies me as an entertainer, then I must be one. But let us not forget history teachers, investigators, and interviewers as they must also fall under the classification as "entertainer" by your definition.

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Arvedis
On 5/1/2016 at 3:49 AM, Bigfoothunter said:

Cantrell also claims he can sit in a chair in the forest and Bigfoot will come to him. Is there supposed to be a correlation between Cantrell's mental state and Gimlin's you are wanting to make here?  Or are you trying to infer that because Cantrell being the only person who has been said to have Gimlin tell him they (Roger and Bob) were tracking three Sasquatch down to the creek that there is a smoking gun in that statement ...... or are you pointing out that Cantrell in what ever state of mind he was in at the time may have confused Bob mentioning there being three sets of tracks reported in the area that he had Roger came to California to see?

 

I have wondered about the multiple sets of tracks theory. It seems like a good bet. Also, the theory that Patty intentionally drew Roger and Bob's attention away from something else, perhaps a young BF.

 

As for Cantrall and Gimlin, they are kinda tight. Sad to say, Bob does appear to be of the belief that the forest people are mindspeakin'.  Plenty of footage with the two on lawn chairs talking openly about it.

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Backdoc

What Gimlin might believe and relate around the time of the event is what matters.  What he might think now is irrelevant for the most part.  What did he say then?  What did he do then?

 

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Incorrigible1
23 hours ago, Arvedis said:

As for Cantrall and Gimlin, they are kinda tight. Sad to say, Bob does appear to be of the belief that the forest people are mindspeakin'.  Plenty of footage with the two on lawn chairs talking openly about it.

 

If this is so, it saddens me considerably.

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Arvedis
44 minutes ago, Incorrigible1 said:

 

If this is so, it saddens me considerably.

 

I don't think he is experiencing mindpeakin' but he is hanging out in that crowd these days.  I guess that's what happens when you hit late 80s.  

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