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What you are seeing here from this 2012 screen grab is the OPPOSITE SIDE of Bluff Creek and I suspect this area, too, has been lowered in elevation by Mother Nature. Patty was on one side of the creek while Roger and Bob where on the other side when the initial sighting took place. The debris you see in the image may have been non existent at the time in question.

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SweatyYeti
23 hours ago, Daniel Perez said:

What you are seeing here from this 2012 screen grab is the OPPOSITE SIDE of Bluff Creek and I suspect this area, too, has been lowered in elevation by Mother Nature. Patty was on one side of the creek while Roger and Bob where on the other side when the initial sighting took place. The debris you see in the image may have been non existent at the time in question.

 

 

Thanks for your reply, Daniel.  :) 

 

I'll reply more later today, or tomorrow....with an explanation of my thoughts, regarding that image. I haven't had much time to put together a response....I'm in the midst of doing my Christmas shopping. 

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The 1967 film site:

 

We are told Gimlin and Roger planned to go back after the filming.  Gimlin states he barrowed some boxes to cover up the tracks.  Then when it started raining Gimlin states he got up and went there and knowing the cardboard was runined/ wet tried to cover up some tracks with the big pieces of bark.   I don't know what he did with the cardboard.  

 

I don't really know if Gimlin claims he did cover the tracks or if he was attempting to and just gave up as even with the bark the effort was futile with the rains.  If he did cover some tracks I should think anyone coming across the site such a Lyle L would report seeing this.    we would notice if a few tracks in that trackway were covered in bark.  We might leave the bark there or we might remove it to get a closer look at the tracks and pathway. Obviously if it was removed by the first person or two who showed up then it would remained uncovered for the next people who showed up following that removal.

 

The Q is did anyone report removing bark from the trackway or seeing bark covering some of the tracks early on after the event?

 

I had asked this Q a few years back and at the time no one was sure.

 

I think PGF Trackway:

 

 

 

x     x      x       x      x       x      x      x     x      x      x     x        <-------footprints

 

 

or

 

 

  Gimlin covers with bark PGF Trackway:

 

 

 

x    x     0    x       0       0        x      x      x      x      x     x      <-------footprints and covered prints  -------->   O

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Daniel Perez

"I knew Patterson said to Al Hodgson that he had covered one or two of the best tracks with bark slabs so I was expecting to see them.  I think I did when I visited about two weeks later and that Titmus had apparently covered some of the prints again after he made casts but my memory isn't very clear on that point.  Sorry." This is how Jim McClarin replied to the matter.

 

"Daniel... I do not recall seeing any cardboard near the site..  at least in the area where we observed the prints..." This is how Lyle Laverty replied to the question.
 
You asked a very good question and one that I do not remember asking either Jim or Lyle in my recorded interviews with them. This is how the both responded on January 25, 2019.
 
Daniel Perez
www.bigfoottimes.net
 
 


 

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 Gimlin's own version of the "boxes and bark" event.

 

He goes into great detail about it starting around the 20:30 mark here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8mbIg6QijU

 

In this particular version of the story Bob says that the boxes were already soaked and useless so he never even took them with him to the sandbar.

 

One oddity here that I haven't heard before is that Gimlin states that Roger wasn't concerned much about covering the tracks since, "the guys will be here in the morning with the dogs."

 

Wasn't Patterson already fully aware at this point that the Canadians would not be coming, per the meeting at Syl McCoy's with Hodgson only a few hours earlier?

 

Why did he tell the Times - Standard reporter at 9:30 the previous night that he was attempting to get Abbot to come down with tracking dogs when he surely must have already known that it wasn't happening...?

 

According to Murphy in Bigfoot Film Journal , the unproductive call to Abbot had already been made by Hodgson much earlier that evening. He would have informed Roger, no?

 

I guess its just another case of faulty memories and human frailty... :mellow:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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On 1/26/2019 at 11:04 AM, Daniel Perez said:

"I knew Patterson said to Al Hodgson that he had covered one or two of the best tracks with bark slabs so I was expecting to see them.  I think I did when I visited about two weeks later and that Titmus had apparently covered some of the prints again after he made casts but my memory isn't very clear on that point.  Sorry." This is how Jim McClarin replied to the matter.

 

"Daniel... I do not recall seeing any cardboard near the site..  at least in the area where we observed the prints..." This is how Lyle Laverty replied to the question.
 
You asked a very good question and one that I do not remember asking either Jim or Lyle in my recorded interviews with them. This is how the both responded on January 25, 2019.
 
Daniel Perez
www.bigfoottimes.net
 
 


 

 

Thanks Daniel.

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23 hours ago, OldMort said:

 Gimlin's own version of the "boxes and bark" event.

 

He goes into great detail about it starting around the 20:30 mark here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8mbIg6QijU

 

In this particular version of the story Bob says that the boxes were already soaked and useless so he never even took them with him to the sandbar.

 

One oddity here that I haven't heard before is that Gimlin states that Roger wasn't concerned much about covering the tracks since, "the guys will be here in the morning with the dogs."

 

Wasn't Patterson already fully aware at this point that the Canadians would not be coming, per the meeting at Syl McCoy's with Hodgson only a few hours earlier?

 

Why did he tell the Times - Standard reporter at 9:30 the previous night that he was attempting to get Abbot to come down with tracking dogs when he surely must have already known that it wasn't happening...?

 

According to Murphy in Bigfoot Film Journal , the unproductive call to Abbot had already been made by Hodgson much earlier that evening. He would have informed Roger, no?

 

I guess its just another case of faulty memories and human frailty... :mellow:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Good points.   Consider though:

 

Roger did have Patty on film, plaster of the tracks, stomp test, and film of the trackway.  A tired sleeping Roger might not have cared weather dogs might be coming or not.   He had a lot in the bag already.  Maybe roger still thought or hoped dogs might be coming or maybe he just wanted to give Gimlin an answer which would shut bob up and allow roger to be able to go back to bed.

 

All those statements do need more focus as you point out.

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cmknight
On 10/23/2018 at 10:06 PM, MindSquatch said:

Just above where the red circle is in the photo uploaded by Daniel, next to Patty's hand. Zoom in if need be.

Could be a chainsaw, but more than likely one of those old hand-saws. We have trees with those cut-patterns up here in golden Ears Provincial Park. The loggers would cut a notch on one side, with a flat, parallel to the ground, and an angled cut above it, then cut along the flat on the opposite side of the tree.

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