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The idea of a porno lab I believe has been virtually shot down.  I don’t think Porn was typically shot on KII and the KII process being proprietary makes private labs a rarity.  

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MIB
3 hours ago, Twist said:

The idea of a porno lab I believe has been virtually shot down.

 

Most probably correct.   If I had to guess, the simplest would seem to be an established lab doing something something officially unsanctioned, either an employee using work equipment / facilities for personal use, or something a manager approved but didn't want repeated.    I do not expect to ever know.

 

MIB

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On 2/6/2019 at 3:11 PM, OkieFoot said:

^^ 

Sweaty, when you mention having made the point before about how the film being developed at a lab that was open to the public goes against Roger's secrecy about the developing of the film:

I know I've made this point once before: If the film had been developed at a lab that was open to the public, wouldn't the lab have had some kind of paper record with Al DeAtley's name on it as having brought in a reel of film to be developed; plus something attached to the film container. How else would the lab identify which reel belonged to which customer when they came to pick it up?

 

Sure, Okie...they would have had a receipt, with Al's name on it. 

 

But we don't even need to consider that detail....Roger's secrecy over the development details trumps it.  Logically....the film could not have been developed at a film Lab which was 'open for business' on that Saturday. If it had been developed at such a Lab, on the 21st....there would have been no need for keeping the development details secret. 

 

How often do people keep film development details secret, from their friends/family??? Not very often, I bet. ;) 

 

 

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I could be wrong on this but it seems for the public lab idea you have to make an assumption the public lab was not busy and could develop Al's film the same day; unless they were open on Sunday also. Wouldn't htey develop film in chronological order, as they came in? We need to remember, Al wouldn't get 4 or 5 days advance notice if Roger got something on film that needed to be developed. He wouldn't know until Roger called him and Roger wanted the film developed quickly so Al wouldn't know until pretty much the last minute. 

How would Al know just which lab to go to? Did he call around Sat. aft. trying to find one that could develop his film quickly? What if none could accommodate him?

Could Occam's Razor apply?

 

If the development timeline did happen as Roger proposed...then, I would think that both Roger and Al already knew of a film Lab, and technician, which could have gotten the film developed at their request....in a rushed fashion. 

 

Actually, Al couldn't have 'called around' on the 21st, for a film Lab that was open for walk-in business....since, again...that scenario doesn't account for the secrecy. :)

 

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Twist
3 hours ago, MIB said:

 

Most probably correct.   If I had to guess, the simplest would seem to be an established lab doing something something officially unsanctioned, either an employee using work equipment / facilities for personal use, or something a manager approved but didn't want repeated.    I do not expect to ever know.

 

MIB

 

If the timeline as given is true,  I'd agree on both accounts as well. Unsanctioned and we'll never know.

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Q:  Show time?

 

 

 

1) What time on Sunday was this showing?  Morning, Lunch, afternoon, or evening?  I was always under the impression it was in the morning on Sunday.

 

 

2) Did everyone arrive with the film set up ready to go?  That is, was the film there by the time viewing party arrived with the film cued up and ready to go?  I'm assuming the invited guests didn't arrive and then after the fact Roger walked in the door with the film in hand.

 

My understood timeline was Roger and Al had the film sometime Sunday.  They probably looked at it several times no matter what was claimed.  Wouldn't you?  Then, the guest arrived.  Very soon after they took them into a room where a projector was already set up and the film was ready to go.  Then, the viewing began. 

 

 

 

 

 

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19 hours ago, SweatyYeti said:

 

Sure, Okie...they would have had a receipt, with Al's name on it. 

 

But we don't even need to consider that detail....Roger's secrecy over the development details trumps it.  Logically....the film could not have been developed at a film Lab which was 'open for business' on that Saturday. If it had been developed at such a Lab, on the 21st....there would have been no need for keeping the development details secret. 

 

How often do people keep film development details secret, from their friends/family??? Not very often, I bet. ;) 

 

 

 

If the development timeline did happen as Roger proposed...then, I would think that both Roger and Al already knew of a film Lab, and technician, which could have gotten the film developed at their request....in a rushed fashion. 

 

Actually, Al couldn't have 'called around' on the 21st, for a film Lab that was open for walk-in buscouldn';t affordiness....since, again...that scenario doesn't account for the secrecy. :)

 

 

I would agree Roger and Al knew ahead of time where they would take the film. To me, when you consider Roger wanted to stay in Bluff Creek and do more searching if nothing showed up on the film;  he wanted to get the film developed quickly knowing the sooner he started a new search the better his chances of seeing the figure again.

With Roger wanting to get the film developed quickly, I just don't see Roger and Al deciding to wait until the last minute and cross their fingers Al could find a lab open to the public that also could actually process the film in a timely manner. 

 

I agree the secrecy doesn't fit with the "lab that was also open to the public" theory. If Al took the film to a lab that was open to the public, and his film was developed in the lab's normal course of business, just as they would anyone else's film, would there be a reason to keep it a secret?

 

 

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4 hours ago, Backdoc said:

Q:  Show time?

 

 

 

1) What time on Sunday was this showing?  Morning, Lunch, afternoon, or evening?  I was always under the impression it was in the morning on Sunday.

 

 

2) Did everyone arrive with the film set up ready to go?  That is, was the film there by the time viewing party arrived with the film cued up and ready to go?  I'm assuming the invited guests didn't arrive and then after the fact Roger walked in the door with the film in hand.

 

My understood timeline was Roger and Al had the film sometime Sunday.  They probably looked at it several times no matter what was claimed.  Wouldn't you?  Then, the guest arrived.  Very soon after they took them into a room where a projector was already set up and the film was ready to go.  Then, the viewing began. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Good post I’ll check into this when I’m off the phone and on a proper computer.

 

Iirc the guests arrived before Roger, then Rog and Al held a quick powow in another room then did the viewing.

 

L8r sk8r

1 hour ago, OkieFoot said:

 

I would agree Roger and Al knew ahead of time where they would take the film. To me, when you consider Roger wanted to stay in Bluff Creek and do more searching if nothing showed up on the film;  he wanted to get the film developed quickly knowing the sooner he started a new search the better his chances of seeing the figure again.

With Roger wanting to get the film developed quickly, I just don't see Roger and Al deciding to wait until the last minute and cross their fingers Al could find a lab open to the public that also could actually process the film in a timely manner. 

 

I agree the secrecy doesn't fit with the "lab that was also open to the public" theory. If Al took the film to a lab that was open to the public, and his film was developed in the lab's normal course of business, just as they would anyone else's film, would there be a reason to keep it a secret?

 

 

 

I agree Roger and Al knew where they would take the film... ahead of time :)

 

The secrecy fits into the narrative Patterson created; no evidence supports that narrative.

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Backdoc
51 minutes ago, OkieFoot said:

 

I would agree Roger and Al knew ahead of time where they would take the film. To me, when you consider Roger wanted to stay in Bluff Creek and do more searching if nothing showed up on the film;  he wanted to get the film developed quickly knowing the sooner he started a new search the better his chances of seeing the figure again.

With Roger wanting to get the film developed quickly, I just don't see Roger and Al deciding to wait until the last minute and cross their fingers Al could find a lab open to the public that also could actually process the film in a timely manner. 

 

 

 

 

What was the relationship with Roger and Al really?  Did Al even believe in Bigfoot?  Did he even believe in Roger?  I wonder if Al thought, "Well, this guy needs a few bucks and he wants to go looking for these tracks.  I guess I'll give him a little money"   If that was the case or something similar, I doubt Al gave any thought to developing the film prior to the event.  After all, I am thinking Al was under the impression Roger was just going down to Cali with Gimlin to film some reported Tracks.  If so, film them.  However, I can't think Al would think Roger would go to northern California to film some tracks and actually come across an actual Bigfoot capturing it on film.  Once Roger called and claimed he did, only then can I think Al might have got his metal gears clicking to see how to get the film developed esp quickly.  Before then, Al might just gone about his day and expected to see Roger and his film of some tracks as soon as he came back home.  He might just expect Roger would send such a film to PalAlto or where he usually sent his film.

 

This all leads me to at least think, "How much did Al really believe here?"   I have to consider he didn't have any expectation Roger would actually call him and claim to have filmed any 'bigfoot'    If he was not really thinking this was likely he would not have a Special Plan in place should he somehow hit the jackpot. 

 

Maybe a pre-plan idea comes from some type of humor-me conversation.  Maybe Roger said, "Well Al what if I end up getting one of these things on film,  If I do I plan to call Don and get his tracking dogs to help me."  Al might have said, "Roger, If you get that lucky, you call me and I will use everything at my disposal to get that film developed so we can both be rich.  Have a safe trip Roger.  See ya when you get back."

 

I just don't know what the relationship is with the two.   More importantly, to what extent Al thought it was likely they might get Patty on film?

 

 

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2 hours ago, Squatchy McSquatch said:

 

Good post I’ll check into this when I’m off the phone and on a proper computer.

 

Iirc the guests arrived before Roger, then Rog and Al held a quick powow in another room then did the viewing.

 

L8r sk8r

 

I agree Roger and Al knew where they would take the film... ahead of time :)

 

The secrecy fits into the narrative Patterson created; no evidence supports that narrative.

 

Actually, some of Roger's narrative can be corroborated. Any other narrative is based only on assumptions and speculation. And we know what Occam's Razor says about other explanations and assumptions.

 

Regarding the guests at Al's; I had read pretty much the same thing. I thought John Green arrived first but Al wanted Roger to see the film first before all the others did. 

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26 minutes ago, OkieFoot said:

Actually, some of Roger's narrative can be corroborated. Any other narrative is based only on assumptions and speculation

 

Which parts of Roger's narrative have been corroborated, and by whom?

 

Surely you aren't referring to the secret shipping and processing...

 

Hearsay and folklore do not count as corroboration.

 

34 minutes ago, OkieFoot said:

Regarding the guests at Al's; I had read pretty much the same thing. I thought John Green arrived first but Al wanted Roger to see the film first before all the others did. 

 

Their seem to be various accounts of this, but most of them agree that Roger didn't come till quite late in the day.

 

A possible Sunday developing of the film?

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SweatyYeti
9 hours ago, OkieFoot said:

 

I agree the secrecy doesn't fit with the "lab that was also open to the public" theory. If Al took the film to a lab that was open to the public, and his film was developed in the lab's normal course of business, just as they would anyone else's film, would there be a reason to keep it a secret?

 

No...there wouldn't be. ;)   It's as simple as that. 

 

 

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Their seem to be various accounts of this, but most of them agree that Roger didn't come till quite late in the day.

A possible Sunday developing of the film?

 

 

How about a Sunday morning pick-up, of the film...(by Roger)?? 

 

That would allow more time for the developing of the film......late on Saturday.  

 

Does that help? :) 

 

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^^^^ Sure why not!

 

After all, according to Peter Byrne, Al DeAtley told him that Roger simply handed him the developed film.

 

Mystery solved...:)

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5 hours ago, OldMort said:

^^^^ Sure why not!

 

After all, according to Peter Byrne, Al DeAtley told him that Roger simply handed him the developed film.

 

Mystery solved...:)

 

 

I wasn't aware of that claim of Byrne's, Mort. Thanks for mentioning it. :) 

 

That is very interesting.....and does lend credibility to the notion that Roger picked-up the developed film on Sunday...and brought it to Al DeAtley's home. If it did happen that way....I don't see that as a problem for Roger's alleged film development timeline. 

 

To me...it only creates a greater amount of time, for the film to have been developed on Saturday, the 21st. 

 

 

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The reason I asked the time was to nail down when the film came through Al’s door.

 

If Roger showed up with the film in the afternoon or evening he would have a lot of time to accomplish quite a bit. Might even have time to run to the store on the way for some beer.

 

i don’t know if it solves anything but a PM development time creates essentially an entire extra day.  It’s under 3 hours to drive from Yakima to Seattle.  Leave at breakfast and your home before 3 pm or so reasonably even given an hour to develop the film.

 

If that viewing was a 9am breakfast viewing, that changes everything in that it limits what is possible.  A late development time expands what is possible.

 

 

 

 

 

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Here is what can be corroborated in Roger's narrative;

1. The visit to Al Hodgson's store the evening of the 20th. Al H. could have confirmed this. I'm not sure if he ever actually told anyone that he did meet Roger at his store but I don't think anyone has ever disputed it.

 

2. The film being shipped off the evening of the 20th. Per a reply on here months ago to a question I had, Bob Gimlin had said they went to ship off the film and Bob G.waited in the truck and tried to nap while Roger took care of shipping off the film. No one has proven Bob Gimlin lied about all this. We know for a fact that two days later on the 22nd, Al DeAtley had the developed film in his house so we know the film was shipped off. That isn't in dispute. If we have zero evidence the film was shipped before the 20th, and we know for certain the developed film was at Al D.'s two days later, what alternatives are there that can be supported that say this is wrong? It will take more than wishful thinking and conjecture. 

 

3. The meeting at the Ranger Station after shipping off the film. They met Al Hodgson again, along with Syl McCoy. Al H. and S. McCoy could have both confirmed, if they didn't actually tell someone at a later time, if this meeting did not happen as said. I'm not aware of anyone providing anything saying the meeting at the Ranger Station did not take place as said.

 

4. At some point in the evening, Roger contacted the newspaper reporter. This could have been corroborated by the reporter, plus it is supported by the story appearing in the next day's issue of the Eureka paper.

 

This means besides Roger, we have four other people (this includes Bob Gimlin) that were actually present or spoke directly to Roger by phone that could have confirmed Roger's activities and whereabouts on the evening/night of the 20th. That isn't hearsay. I'm curious if any of these people besides Bob G. had ever been interviewed and asked about meeting Roger that night. I'm also not aware of anyone that has ever pointed to anything that disputed any of this happening as said. 

 

As far as the film getting developed. I should emphasize this is just my thinking. The bottom line is we know for sure the film got developed, and to me, it makes zero difference just how Al got it done. Whether the film was developed as a special favor for Al or if it was done in a lab that was open to the public, it didn't change anything about what is on the film and that's the important part.

The actual name of the lab that developed the film and where they were located has zero to do with the IM Index of the figure being outside human range, it has zero to do with the arms being longer than humans without arm extensions; it didn't cause the figure to rotate it's knees laterally as it walks and also walk with a bent knee gait; etc. 

I agree with earlier comments that we're aren't ever going to know anything more for certain; too much time has passed.

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