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In late 1967 or early 1968 Roger Patterson is said to have hired a cameraman and film editor for the production of the film BIGFOOT: AMERICA'S ABOMINABLE SNOWMAN. According to Long's TMOB, page 262, the film was 2 hours 16 minutes. I am interested in learning more about this film. Does anyone know of a database that might list the specifics of this film? 

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OldMort

I found this document In the thread "PGF on the road" PGF On The Road 1.pdf I can't make it link to here directly but if you go back to that thread you can open the document there.

 

It contains a couple of posters for the movie. There's a little info there but not much.

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PBeaton

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HOLDMYBEER

Thank you, Pat. I have those documents in the file. My problem is in finding information as to who actually edited the film and/or did any lab work on the film. According to TMOB, BBC and ANE distributed the film, perhaps even put some of their own touches to the film, but the early editing was done by a friend of Roger. I'd like to identify that fellow.

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OldMort

^^^ Harry Kemball has claimed to have been in the 16mm editing room at Canawest labs in Vancouver in 1967 when "Patterson and his buddies were making their bigfoot film." Its unknown if he is referring to the film in question.

 

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gigantor
On 2/26/2019 at 10:52 AM, HOLDMYBEER said:

Does anyone know of a database that might list the specifics of this film? 

 

Not a database, but a copy sold on ebay Feb 24, 2019 for $1000. It may have what you are looking for...

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/BBCs-Bigfoot-Americas-Abominable-Snowman-Lost-Bigfoot-Film-now-found-/323702837846?_trksid=p2047675.m43663.l10137&nordt=true&rt=nc&orig_cvip=true

 

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The beyond-rare BBC's Bigfoot: America's Abominable Snowman has been found! This movie had thought to have been lost after its last distribution to theaters in the early 1970s.  According to David Coleman's The Bigfoot Filmography, this documentary came out in 1968 and it is notable in part for having given the public its first exposure to the Patterson-Gimlin film.  This auction is for the 16mm film on three reels - two larger reels that would have been used to exhibit the film in theaters (during an intermission the reels would have been swapped) and the smaller reel contains the Patterson Gimlin segment.  Along with the physical 16mm film on three reels is a memory stick containing the entire film as an MP4 file.  The transfer from 16mm to MP4 was done out of order of the film, but everything on the 16mm film is all there on electrons, just out of linear sequence. 
 
The pics provided show scenes from the film including the film's title card, the actual 16mm film itself on three reels, a photo from the iconic Patterson Gimlin film, a pic of John Napier and Roger Patterson (the pic in which Roger wears the sweater with horse's heads on it), a pic of Al DeAtley (holding a snap from the Patterson Gimlin film) during the intro to the film, Roger Patterson and, I believe, Bob Gimlin conferring, Roger Patterson interviewing a logger, Roger with pointer in front of life-size portrait of Bigfoot, a snap from one of Roger's expeditions showing several men on horses, a map depicting various sightings, picture-art of a man discovering large prints by his car, and John Napier and Ivan T. Sanderson discussing the possibility of Bigfoot's existence.  This film is just over 1 hour, 9 minutes in viewing length.
 
Ivan T. Sanderson wrote about the BBC's effort to make this documentary in the June, 1968 edition of Pursuit: "While here the BBC filmed Roger Patterson at HQ, and then shot several hours of a discussion between Dr. John Napier and the writer [Ivan T. Sanderson], with visuals in the form of plaster casts of the footprints of Bigfeet.  Later, they ran an hour on Dr. Joe Wraight in Washington, D.C., then flew to Denver to interview Prof. George A. Agogino; then on to Dr. Montagna, Head of the Oregon Primate Center; and ended up with interviews with several persons, of all ages and walks of life, on the Coast who had told Roger that they had encountered Bigfeet at close range.  it will take two to three months to edit this film..." 
 
The Patterson-Gimlin film, and its iconic star "Patty," is shown for just over 40 seconds, followed by filming of Patterson making plaster casts, presumably at Bluff Creek.  Along with the segment of the Patterson-Gimlin film, another very cool feature of this film is the first time audiences heard the iconic mournful wail that was subsequently featured in other films like Bigfoot: Man or Beast (1972) and Sasquatch, The Legend of Bigfoot (1977). Patterson tells about a strange sound he and a partner heard in 1963: "We had stayed up late, making plans for the next day.  About three o'clock in the morning we were both awakened by the strangest sound I have ever hear. The moon was full and I jumped up and looked out the open window but I couldn't see anything.  When I got back to my ranch in Yakima, I was able to reproduce fairly close what I had heard.  This is that sound..."
 
From David Coleman's (recommended) The Bigfoot Filmography: "Some films in the Ciné du Sasquatch genre are so rare as to be (at the time of this book's publication) non-existent.  These rare movies are the Holy Grail of the genre... As far as documentaries go, however, none can top Bigfoot: America's Abominable Snowman for complete and utter obscurity."
 
Thanks for looking, and if this film interest you, I hope you win and become the owner of this historically important Bigfoot film. 
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Bill

Based on stills shown on the ebay site, it is the same as the reel Mike Rugg received a few years ago, but Mike only got reel #1. This appears to be the complete set, so it's an incredible find.

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bf2011HBMay

The seller goes by Daniel Green. Is that the same as the author of Far-Out, Shaggy, Funky Monsters: A What-It-Is History of Bigfoot in the 1970s, or a different Daniel Green? Plus whoever won it, I hope they have this transferred to digital ASAP so as to preserve the film for all time.

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PBeaton

^Says it's already been transferred to MP4 (but out of order)

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Backdoc

Does it have reel #2 in it?  

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PBeaton

gigantor,

 

Cool find ! :drinks:

Pat...

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HOLDMYBEER

Yes,  Gigantor,  good thinking and great find.  I will try to connect with the buyer.  HMB

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bf2011HBMay

Good deal Hold.

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Bill

HMB

If you can connect with the buyer, I'll be glad to do an authentication/appraisal of it, to identify any uniqueness of the footage. No charge for my service. So if you make contact, I'd appreciate your passing along the offer.

 

Bill

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HOLDMYBEER

I think I have located a copy of Coleman's The Bigfoot Filmography.  Hoping for additional details,  HMB

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