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The realism of the Patterson-Gimlin Film subject cannot be replicated with a costume so; what are the possibilities? (2)

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MIB
26 minutes ago, norseman said:

I do not believe they are nearly as “wide spread” as believed. I do not believe many people who are searching for the creature are out there looking to collect a specimen. And if they are performing some sort of burial ritual? We are not tripping over the bones like a deer or an elk.

 

Its almost like we are hunting a lost tribe vs an animal.

 

A few years back, Thom Powell wrote "think guerilla, not gorilla".    Pretty well sums it up my thinking as well,   but it is "guerilla" species-wide, multiple thousand year scale which I'm almost as uncomfortable with as I am uncomfortable with the apparent alternatives.     

 

MIB

 

 

 

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Squatchy McSquatch

Gemara was a professional gorilla man. He had many suits.

 

Im just pointing out that some of the ‘features’ people think they see on Patty also exist on some suits.

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SweatyYeti
17 hours ago, Huntster said:

I looked at some of your previous posts. They didn't include pics, but they made me look at my foot. I understand what you're talking about. I never noticed it before, even on my own foot! 

 

Sure, that's the easy way to see what I'm talking about, Huntster. ;) 

 

I can re-post the images and graphics later on tonight. 

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Twist
2 hours ago, Huntster said:

 

Because proof (IAW both valid scientists and pseudoscientists) only consists of a carcass, and that is a whole bunch more difficult to produce than to demand, especially since doing so is also illegal.

 

 

 

1) Extraterrestrial visitors

2) Lake "monsters" throughout the northern hemisphere, both Old World and New

3) Other man-beasts in the Old World

4) How about some DNA evidence of an ancient polar bear in the Himalayas (if you believe "science", that's a slam-dunk, isn't it?.....or is that only when DNA "dis-proves" Bigfoot?)

5) Giant squid, described by many people literally thousands of years ago, and only accepted by modern science in slow phases from 1850 to as recently as the first photographs of a live specimen in 2006

6) The gorilla, also legend for over 3000 years until a carcass was brought to Europe bt Paul duChaillu in 1855

7) Maybe a few of the 229 new species discovered in 2018?: https://earthsky.org/earth/new-species-2018

 

1) Agreed

2) Not so much, the reports are not a prevalent and supposedly wide spread

3) Same as 2 with a slight exception maybe for Dogmen

4) Not familiar at all on this one.

5) Had evidence and was proven, if anything I think that kind of proves my point.

6) The same, although 3000 years?  Didn’t know it was that long.

7) Ever discovered species doesn’t prove bigfoot.  

 

 

49 minutes ago, norseman said:

 

I do not believe they are nearly as “wide spread” as believed. I do not believe many people who are searching for the creature are out there looking to collect a specimen. And if they are performing some sort of burial ritual? We are not tripping over the bones like a deer or an elk.

 

Its almost like we are hunting a lost tribe vs an animal.

 

 

 

 

I don’t disagree they are not as widespread, hence I said “lead some to believe.”  I’m of the opinion that BF does exist but in relatively low numbers and probably nomadic.  I’m also of the opinion it’s proof will even come via serendipity and not a researcher.   They seem to be to good at avoiding people, it’ll be a major mistake from one that results in a body.  

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Huntster
21 minutes ago, Twist said:

 

1) Agreed

2) Not so much, the reports are not a prevalent and supposedly wide spread

3) Same as 2 with a slight exception maybe for Dogmen

4) Not familiar at all on this one.

5) Had evidence and was proven, if anything I think that kind of proves my point.

6) The same, although 3000 years?  Didn’t know it was that long.

7) Ever discovered species doesn’t prove bigfoot.  

 

2) The reports are uncanny in their similarity with hominin reports in that they are almost universally a northern hemispheric phenomenon, even more so than the himinidn reports. Reports of hominins approach the equator in southeast Asia, but lake monster reports are almost all north of the 45th Parallel from Alaska to Loch Ness to Lake Baikal.

 

3) There are hominin reports throughout Asia, but not Africa, and the European reports ended with the werewolf stories of the Beast of Gevaudan in the late 18th Century. Russuan, Himalayan, Caucasus, Pamir, and Altai reports persist to this day.

 

4) Your failure, bot mine

 

5) No, it proves my point. Reports of giant squid date back to well before Christ, even by well noted writers like Pliny the Elder and Aristotle, yet modern science refused to accept their existence until they got their carcass, and as expected, they sat on their collective duffs until it was delivered like a cold pizza. 

 

6) See point 5. Even worse than the example of the giant squid, gorillas were being exhibited by circus showmen who thought they had big chimps while scientists in nearby institutes waited like ghouls for somebody to deliver the goods to them, but the showmen got them first because their money was better and more reliable, and they were more honorable to deal with than the supposed smart guys. 

 

7) Hundreds of new species uncovered every year don't prove bigfoot. It proves that science isn't as smart as they make themselves out to look, and it proves that there is a whole bunch out there that is still unknown.......at least by the folks who think they know everything........

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Twist
2 minutes ago, Huntster said:

 

2) The reports are uncanny in their similarity with hominin reports in that they are almost universally a northern hemispheric phenomenon, even more so than the himinidn reports. Reports of hominins approach the equator in southeast Asia, but lake monster reports are almost all north of the 45th Parallel from Alaska to Loch Ness to Lake Baikal.

 

3) There are hominin reports throughout Asia, but not Africa, and the European reports ended with the werewolf stories of the Beast of Gevaudan in the late 18th Century. Russuan, Himalayan, Caucasus, Pamir, and Altai reports persist to this day.

 

4) Your failure, bot mine

 

5) No, it proves my point. Reports of giant squid date back to well before Christ, even by well noted writers like Pliny the Elder and Aristotle, yet modern science refused to accept their existence until they got their carcass, and as expected, they sat on their collective duffs until it was delivered like a cold pizza. 

 

6) See point 5. Even worse than the example of the giant squid, gorillas were being exhibited by circus showmen who thought they had big chimps while scientists in nearby institutes waited like ghouls for somebody to deliver the goods to them, but the showmen got them first because their money was better and more reliable, and they were more honorable to deal with than the supposed smart guys. 

 

7) Hundreds of new species uncovered every year don't prove bigfoot. It proves that science isn't as smart as they make themselves out to look, and it proves that there is a whole bunch out there that is still unknown.......at least by the folks who think they know everything........

 

Fair enough, we can agree to disagree on some points. As far as #2 & #4 go is there a definitive resource such as the BFF you would recommend ?  I’ll do my own research but a road sign pointing in a direction would help.  Both sound interesting.

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Huntster

No central info point for either. For point 2, look up Almas, yeti, orang pandek, ebu gogo. For point 4, google monster and Loch Ness, Lake Champlain, Lake Illiamna, Flathead Lake, and Lake Ogopogo.

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Twist

Thanks

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Bull Montana.....A name that strikes awe in the most devoted of gorilla men !
Where other ape actors worked their primate wonders with elaborate costumes and
mechanized masks, Bull Montana played apes... without a mask !
In the 1920 film " Go and Get It" Bull plays a fierce ape man named Ferry.
Ferry it seems, was a poor gorilla who had a human brain transplanted into his hairy noggin by a mad scientist. (is there any other kind?)
To help Bull channel his inner ape, he was teamed with skilled make-up artists Cecil
Holland, and Charles Gemora.

 

Using materials of cotton, colodian, yak hair, and hand carved gorilla dentures, Holland skillfully transformed the hulking ex-boxer into a gruesome gorilla.
The great Charles Gemora had the task of  making Bull's fur suit, hand tying the hair a few strands at a time with a crochet needle, into a loose weave backing.

The beastly team were so successful in their efforts, that five years later, they teamed up again for
" The Lost World" 1925.
In the Lost World, Bull played an early ancestor of man, who terrorized the Challenger expedition.
Bull was filmed fairly close-up, drooling horrifically while peering from behind rocks.
This was a true testament to Cecil Holland and Charles Gemora's incredible artistry !

 

 

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Squatchy McSquatch

Thanks Pat. I don’t see a saggy crotch lol.

 

Amazing what they could do with costumes... before 1967... 😁

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Squatchy McSquatch
54 minutes ago, PBeaton said:

BullMontanaGoAndGetItWidsDa.jpglost-world.jpg15831_4.jpgScience+Lost+World+1925+Ape+Man.jpgscreen-shot-2012-10-23-at-1-04-18-pm.pnglwfilm10.jpglost-world.jpg41-bullmontanaas-ape-6.jpg5511a.jpg

Bull Montana.....A name that strikes awe in the most devoted of gorilla men !
Where other ape actors worked their primate wonders with elaborate costumes and
mechanized masks, Bull Montana played apes... without a mask !
In the 1920 film " Go and Get It" Bull plays a fierce ape man named Ferry.
Ferry it seems, was a poor gorilla who had a human brain transplanted into his hairy noggin by a mad scientist. (is there any other kind?)
To help Bull channel his inner ape, he was teamed with skilled make-up artists Cecil
Holland, and Charles Gemora.

 

Using materials of cotton, colodian, yak hair, and hand carved gorilla dentures, Holland skillfully transformed the hulking ex-boxer into a gruesome gorilla.
The great Charles Gemora had the task of  making Bull's fur suit, hand tying the hair a few strands at a time with a crochet needle, into a loose weave backing.

The beastly team were so successful in their efforts, that five years later, they teamed up again for
" The Lost World" 1925.
In the Lost World, Bull played an early ancestor of man, who terrorized the Challenger expedition.
Bull was filmed fairly close-up, drooling horrifically while peering from behind rocks.
This was a true testament to Cecil Holland and Charles Gemora's incredible artistry !

 

 

 

What’s most interesting is the article’s mention that Gemora himself tied the hair a few strands at a time with a crochet needle.

 

 

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Bill

it's a process commonly called "ventilating" and the needle is far smaller than any crochet needle. You can't even see the hook without a magnifying glass. Most good quality men's toupees and the lace front hairline of wigs (plus moustaches and beards) are done this way also. I've done it and once did a full man's aging wig, which took me 35 hours. Experienced wigmakers can do it much faster.

There are very few times in all of Hollywood history where somebody tried to make a full hand tied (ventilated) fur body suit.

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Squatchy McSquatch
35 minutes ago, Bill said:

it's a process commonly called "ventilating" and the needle is far smaller than any crochet needle. You can't even see the hook without a magnifying glass. Most good quality men's toupees and the lace front hairline of wigs (plus moustaches and beards) are done this way also. I've done it and once did a full man's aging wig, which took me 35 hours. Experienced wigmakers can do it much faster.

There are very few times in all of Hollywood history where somebody tried to make a full hand tied (ventilated) fur body suit.

 

Yet evidently, Gemora did it long before 1967 😁. Have another look...

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Bill it’s been clear that you are unable to replicate the PGF in suit form.

 

Would you be able to re-create a known suit? Take for example, the image below, which is, in fact a guy in a suit and not a ‘mystery’ to be solved

 

. Forget about funding, who’s paying etc...

 

Could Bill Munns adequately recreate this suit?

 

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As as a sort of Control, if you will...

 

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Catmandoo

Bull Montana.     "Bull" does not have Sasquatch schlong technology.  For a female presentation,  " Bullette" does not have boobs.  Just show  Montana from the backside.

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Bill

Ventilating (hand tying hair onto lace) has been around since the turn of the century (1900, not 2000). Maybe longer. 1967 has nothing to do with this specialized skill.

 

As for matching other makeup fabrications, I've done many and they were in many cases indistinguishable from the originals. Replicating the costume Bob H wore wouldn't be any particular challenge. 

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