Guest The big grey man of ben ma Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 (edited) If it can speak, or mimic human sounds like a parrot does, who knows ? a good indication would be if they ever retrieved the right amount of genes from a tooth or mandible etc, from a gigantopithecus /blacki to processes and look for the foxp2 gene, and even at that its still a jump to bigfoot being related to gigantopithecus. but it would go someway to letting us know. Edited January 19, 2011 by The big grey man of ben ma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southernyahoo Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 I would agree on the FOXP2 gene, Neanderthal had our version of it, and the other great apes don't. If that sequence can be had from tissues such as skin tags from hairs then we would certainly have something telling, particularly from hairs that are definitively "not human". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 I had a conversation with an African Gray Parrot once at a pet store. I was walking around with a cockatiel on my shoulder and walked past him and he said, " Look at that bird on that girl." I whipped around and said hello to him, and a short little conversation ensued. It was my impression that the African Gray understood every word I said. The owner told me he was on the same level as a five year old with his speech. There has been research to show that the FOXP2 is expressed at a higher level in some birds than in others, and the parrots happen to be one of those species but I must say, I felt like Dr. Doolittle in that pet store because I had no idea that any bird understood what they were saying until then. If they can do it, I don't see why a primate capable of mimicry can't, it just depends on how the brain is wired also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest vilnoori Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 Great story, Jodie. It must have been a smart one. I had two greys as a girl but they were only interested in each other and never did learn to talk. I guess you have to teach them on their own. I did have a pet crow, though, that DID learn to talk. Now they are smart birds! Never thought of the FOXP2 gene in regards to bigfoot. I guess I would expect them to have it, since I lean to them being in the homo lineage. I wonder where in the past the chromosomes fused to give the human 23 pairs of chromosomes instead of the big ape 24 pairs. That would be an intriguing thing to know. Oh, and having the gene doesn't confer the ability to talk, it just confers the ability to symbolize language in the brain. Talking also depends on the vocal apparatus, the dexterity of tongue, etc. Its a very complicated business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 Just my two cents on the African grays... A M A Z I N G. Similar experiences J. A friend has one that imitates EVERYTHING. And it offers the perfect questions or statements when asked or talked to. Its an amazing amazing bird that answers questions. I think the potential for the older ones well trained is... probably off the charts for most people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 You know if something with the brain the size of a walnut can carry on a conversation with you, surely bigfoot could if he has the right muscles, genes, and hardwire in the brain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incorrigible1 Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 (edited) Evidently parrots haven't mastered ventriloquism. Handy talent those southern bigfoot specimens enjoy. Edited January 19, 2011 by Incorrigible1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 I guess you forgot about Myna birds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasfooty Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 (edited) Evidently parrots haven't mastered ventriloquism. Handy talent those southern bigfoot specimens enjoy. You are so funny! I just LOVE it. Edited January 20, 2011 by Sasfooty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The big grey man of ben ma Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 (edited) Looking at the what little evidence we have from the fossil records of large bi peeds apart from us and Neanderthals, the head on all the others are placed so far forward that the bone and vocal track is too short, for the full range of sounds, in saying that it looks like they would be able to make the high pitched sounds that people have recorded from time to time, not saying that the recording are real in anyway but it looks like its capable of it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiQEIRUfMp4&feature=related Edited January 21, 2011 by The big grey man of ben ma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southernyahoo Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 Looking at the what little evidence we have from the fossil records of large bi peeds apart from us and Neanderthals, the head on all the others are placed so far forward that the bone and vocal track is too short, for the full range of sounds, in saying that it looks like they would be able to make the high pitched sounds that people have recorded from time to time, not saying that the recording are real in anyway but it looks like its capable of it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiQEIRUfMp4&feature=related Interesting stuff Big Grey, I can be certain that the vocal I posted up thread was from something that lives in the wild and it intrigues me that it seemed to produce two of the three cardinal vowels in an articulated shift which are the corner stones of human speech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 So Neanderthal sounded like he was on helium? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bipedalist Posted January 22, 2011 BFF Patron Share Posted January 22, 2011 Helium and Steroids is the way I saw it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southernyahoo Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 I guess that is the theory , based on the available area for the voice box, they figure it was smaller. Smaller vocal folds makes higher pitched sounds because they vibrate faster. It's a bit odd to picture a robust male Neanderthal with a squeaky high pitched voice. Neanderthals are said to have shorter necks and slightly more prognathus than humans, so it is debated that the larynx wasn't as decended as ours and potentially sets up a disproportion of the oral and pharangeal regions of the vocal tract that would not allow fully human vowel sounds and thus speech. There are numerous suspected sasquatch vocalizations that would suggest rather large vocal chords and they are literaly described as having almost no neck, so nature must be finding a way around this problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 The idea of a high pitched voice paints a strange picture. This robustness of neandertals also seems a bit over rated to me particularly if they rarely exceed five feet six in height and perhaps up to 200 lb. That is about the size of some good lookin well developed half backs in the NFL. Not imposing really compared to a 10 foot individual that is nearly five times heavier in mass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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