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  2. hiflier

    Neanderthal locomotion

    True, but intramembral ratios CAN be determined and compared to norms. That's what they are for and are used all the time. Patty has a height to shoulder width ratio of 2.32. Average Human male is 3.87. It means IF Patty was 7' tall, her shoulder width ratio would put her shoulder span at 36 inches. Average 7' Human male? Not a body builder? 22". Ratios work as long as the same scale reference is used in all criteria whether it be inches, millimeters, feet or meters. Didn't really want to get into this but, for where the discussion is right now, it may help some.
  3. Incorrigible1

    Neanderthal locomotion

    Condescend much?
  4. MonkeMan

    Neanderthal locomotion

    Not oversimplifying anything, just asking a question. Because it very much isn't settled whether it is someone in a costume and no matter how high quality a video is (the PG film is not), you cannot extrapolate measurements without a defined reference point for which there is none in the video. I have of course read some analysis,and back and forth on the subject but I am by no means an expert on the PG film so I I will take your advice and see what some of the discussions here have to offer. LMAO did you just unironically do that? I'm so sorry I'm challenging your beliefs. It must be so difficult for you.
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  6. hiflier

    Sasquatch Discovery DNA Choices

    Agreed, the truth can be funny sometimes, Huntster, that's for sure. I guess the air approach was inevitable because scientists do say "Why not" sometimes. I just wish they'd say "Why not Sasquatch?" at some point. LOL.
  7. hiflier

    The Sasquatch Has Gone Global

    We have had numerous discussion over the years on the Sasquatch's existence. Numerous more on the possibilities of territorial vs. migratory. I have made statements regarding the high levels of government surveillance capability both terrestrial and extraterrestrial. This MoveBank stuff supports that surveillance situation in a big way. A bigger way than I had ever thought before today. And that's just animals. What about this Forum, it's researchers, and THEIR movements. I think it's come to a point, or has been there for a while, where we might have to rethink things. I also think that knowing about this kind of animal monitoring and it's future is valuable for us to know as it could be instrumental in shaping how we do things. Some may not care and simply keep to their methods but if what we're seeing out there, or better, not seeing out there, has changed, or has the potential to change as more and more animals get tracked or electronically tagged......I mean, at what point do I sell my FLIR? When I do research I do it in a truck that can be tracked. Does that put me out of the game? Was I ever even IN the game? In a way, with what this MoveBank monitoring technology can do, what can I do in the are of Sasquatch discovery? Is it even possible any more?........I need a nap
  8. norseman

    Neanderthal locomotion

    *Sigh* I think earlier you claimed I “oversimplified” what you had said. Thus far your time spent here on this subject? Is nothing but…. I highly suggest you take a step back and go read through the sub forums. You seem like a skeptic. That’s cool. Maybe some things will make you scratch your head. Maybe not. But at least you will come away a lot more informed on the subject than you are now. And just a FYI? The PGF is a subject onto itself. With geometry and measurements and ratios and archaic camera equipment numbers and on and on and on. Bill Munns does a great job of studying the film. You may find his work interesting. You may not. Good hunting.
  9. ClayRock

    Neanderthal locomotion

    I just saw this morning that Justin Chernipeski and Doug Hajicek are combining efforts for a Legend Meets Science II documentary. Supposedly there is new scientific evidence to consider. I have learned not to expect too much from these films but it's encouraging that they are making the effort.
  10. hiflier

    Neanderthal locomotion

    Respectfully I must say that that's not for here but what I posted does address the question. (Hint: there's no such things as clavicle extensions)
  11. MonkeMan

    Neanderthal locomotion

    How would that prove it wasn't a guy in a costume?
  12. hiflier

    Neanderthal locomotion

    A curious statement that. It would be easy enough for a forensic osteologist, or one versed in Human body metrics, to use a reference of a 6' tall Patty as a way to determine her height/shoulder width ratio. Normal 6' tall Human males have an average 18.6 inch shoulder span. Patty, at that same 6' tall height, demonstrates a shoulder span of 28+ inches. Given that her shoulder joints look normal as they swing as does her elbow locations, it should cause at least one scientist in either of those mentioned disciplines to sit up and take notice. If any have in this current day and age I haven't heard about it.
  13. MonkeMan

    Neanderthal locomotion

    I think you're vastly overestimating its significance but whatever. Lol what narrative is that?
  14. norseman

    Neanderthal locomotion

    Whatever dude. It would be “amazing” is a joke. It would be the find of the century. Maybe finding an alien body would only trump it. Scientists fly halfway around the world to go look for the Bili ape. Based on anecdotal accounts and blurry pictures. Let’s face it. Sasquatch does NOT fit their narrative. They find the whole notion ridiculous. But Africa is teeming with extant species of apes….. So let’s go spend time and money there. And researchers don’t want to harm the animal. Science demands physical evidence. The cheap reliable way to get that is with a bullet. Most will not go down that path. So they keep collecting hair and scat samples and pouring casts…..
  15. MonkeMan

    Neanderthal locomotion

    Maybe in Anthropology, not in biology though. It would be amazing for sure, but after all it is just simply finding another species and wouldn't really elucidate any of the larger questions in these fields for us. I'm not really sure why it's so hard for this community to grasp that what you all find ground breaking, others may not. And for the millionth time what you count as "collecting evidence" most scientists do not. It honestly doesn't surprise me at all that you don't like having to provide real evidence for claims that you make. I would love for Sasquatch to be real and the idealist in me says she is. But I just can't take anecdotes and shaky/blurry videos as evidence. Science is successful because of the standard we hold ourselves to. That's whats separates us from pseudoscience.
  16. norseman

    Neanderthal locomotion

    Like what!!!?? In Biology? What discovery could be more significant than a archaic bipedal ape man? A new species of ant in the Congo? A new species of bird in the Amazon? Quite laughable by comparison. The point you seem incapable of grasping it that scientists don’t shy from this subject based on portals or shape shifting. They find it laughable a creature like Sasquatch still exists on earth let alone N. America!!! Full stop! How many years have you spent in the field collecting evidence only to have it slapped back into your face!!?? Ya…. I think we get it. You will find some scorn on the BFF from researchers against science for this very reason…. I don’t like what science asks of us? But I have accepted it. Many have not. Physical evidence will end all of these debates. Unless there are other cryptids left to discovery.
  17. MonkeMan

    Neanderthal locomotion

    Are you sure you understand it? Because if you did I feel as though you'd realize that my point is that because of the reputation your community has scientists may not even be aware of the "smoke". Furthermore, even if the relevant groups thought there was smoke there are many things that would take priority over searching for Bigfoot. You need to realize that as far as evidence goes Scientists have much higher standards than laymen such as yourself.
  18. MonkeMan

    Neanderthal locomotion

    Thank you. How? No it's not. I'm sure there are plenty of people who don't think those attempts have failed. I'm not really sure where this narrative that the PG film is this "ironclad evidence that science refuses to acknowledge!!1!" comes from. As it's validity has not been proven either way. As am I. But unfortunately there is a double standard in place where members (including a moderator) can insult me and if I defend myself I am suspended for 2 days. So calm down. It's just the internet. LOL What's lame about it? Ah, so now you're telling me to kill myself, yet no words from the Mods. Hilarious! Still waiting. They can take non-sick adults as well. But that's actually irrelevant to the point that I'm making, which I stated multiple comments ago which you seemed to have already forgotten. Why would I back off on them when you have yet to offer a decent rebuttal to the reasoning and evidence I've laid out for my "argument"? Counter them all you'd like, you're still wrong. Science is not this monolith of thought. There is extreme diversity within each field, ad I would not be here if I simply just believed whatever the consensus on any topic is. Quit mistaking my explanations for why some scientists disregard Bigfoot with my actual opinions. I will not tell you again. No I use my references to refute the erroneous claims made by individuals who aren't really educated on the relevant literature. Right now you're actually sidestepping the fact that I refuted your assertion by trying to attack my character. You're not fooling anyone.
  19. hiflier

    Field trips 2.0

    Well there is that saying: If you can see Rainier it's gonna rain in 24 hrs. If you can't see, it it IS raining. Guess they don't call it Rainier for nothing
  20. BigTreeWalker

    Field trips 2.0

    Swanson thrush are also my favorites. How they sit in the treetops in midsummer and sing their song. The rattlesnake area has a lot of bigfoot history. My grandfather used to hunt the area in the 50's. I never thought to ask him if he or my great uncles experienced any odd occurrences. Opportunity lost.
  21. SasquatchTheLeg

    Sasquatch Summit in 2021?

    Johnny Manson does the Ocean shores one.. I think the last one was right when Covid was starting and like 10k people all packed together , eating at the casino Buffet.. think it's off for the year and Russ's in Kennewick seems to be off.. Oregon one is off .. Kelso and Marblemount are on.. Johnny has a great radio show.. http://johnnymanson.com/ scroll down on the right ..
  22. Huntster

    Neanderthal locomotion

    Sorry, that lame excuse doesn't fly for officials who are legally responsible for the management of public lands and wildlife. There is MORE than enough evidence of sasquatches in some areas to justify official participation in seeking answers.
  23. Kiwakwe

    Neanderthal locomotion

    I understand that but when there is THAT much smoke...It's an invitation to do a proper study, to find the scientifically accepted evidence. There is a reason they haven't, it's not the woo.
  24. Huntster

    Neanderthal locomotion

    While I agree that sasquatch videos are more likely to be hoaxed than security ir police cams, the use of both are identical: provide evidence that can be used to discover the truth. The difference in legal videos and sasquatch videos is who uses them and who ignores them. In the case of legal videos, officials use them both officially and as public information tools. In the case of sasquatch videos, the PG and Freeman videos in particular, they are COMPLETELY ignored by the officials responsible for the land and wildlife management where the videos were shot. I say that this fact is not one of simple interest or "conclusiveness" of the said videos, but is a consistent pattern seen in other issues with officials and is intentional. It was certainly more political and irrelevant than my mention of law enforcement and the courts with regard rto photographic evidence. I don't. That's why I wrote those words. That is YOUR argument, not mine. Over a half century of study and even very aggressive (and failed) attempts to debunk it justify the description of "highly likely to be the real thing", and very CLEARLY justifies an official statement from the appropriate officials on why the issue is not even investigated. Then you will have to become accustomed to me demanding an official explanation on why they refuse to investigate the phenomenon while trace evidence, photographic evidence, and eyewitness reports continue to accumulate. I'm combative by nature. Nothing pleases me more than whipping ass in any and every possible way. I'd rather fight than switch. Ignorant and feckless "challenge" to my world view is just another invitation for me to play. Aren't you the guy advising zero "tolerance" for "woo" in order to finally get the responsible "scientists" to investigate (as if we're really stupid enough to accept that lame advice)? Hold your breath in anticipation, please......... Yes, just like the relationship between leopards and gorillas. The predator can take sick, injured, tired adults with smaller risk. You know, this entire derail regarding leopards/gorillas and moose/bears (predator/prey) stems from you ridiculous comments regarding black bears "easily" killing sasquatches, your refusal to back off on them, and your insistence on repeating them. Aren't you ready to moderate those claims? I've read and re-read your comments, and I again counter your claims. I have not built a narrative about you. You've done that yourself. Yup. Many here believe that is just a matter of time.......... You are an interesting individual. Your use of references to sidestep and evade the traps you build for yourself are becoming a pattern. I'll assume you've learned such tactics from sites like Reddit. I'll simply let that attempt slide by and see if you're willing to admit that your claims about black bears "easily able to kill a sasquatch" were a stretch........... If not, I'll just put you in the woo box with the sasquatch smoking buddies..........
  25. hiflier

    Neanderthal locomotion

    In spite of all that, scientific peer pressure rules. The track records of the likes of Meldrum and Bindernagel help drive that point home. And unless younger scientists who are more likely to have grown up with a better awareness of the BF phenomenon step up then I could expect more of the same. And then there's the US government's Office of Science and Technology. I do think it influences the types of research that are sanctioned and therefore the most eligible to secure research funding. I mean, MIT or Stanford might be able go a long way on this subject if they wanted to, or could. And then there's the deep-pocketed USGS which has unlimited resources to throw the snowballs that agencies like the USFS and USFW tell them to throw.
  26. MonkeMan

    Neanderthal locomotion

    Scientists don’t view anecdotes as evidence. Even studies in EP that use self reported data tend to be heavily criticized.
  27. Kiwakwe

    Neanderthal locomotion

    I don't know where these scientists have been hiding. If they can't find any of the often anecdotal, but very credible evidence that's been in existence for decades, I don't have much faith in their investigative ability. The woo is relatively new and if it scares em off, well, they don't deserve to be called "scientists," despite what they paid for the moniker.
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