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this wasn't in our airspace. it was off the coast of Yemen.

The gorilla scare rolled west, leading to several encounters near Altoona and nearby towns. This article was published in the Altoona (PA) Tribune on December 21, 1920 and is among the stories recounted in Bigfoot in Pennsylvania by Timothy Renner.

That’s their job. What if it’s Russian or Chinese? We control our airspace just as they do theirs. Pearl Harbor? 911? If you don’t shoot at this trespasser and it blows up the Pentagon? Your head is really gonna roll.

whoever decided to shoot at it needs to be removed from their position of power. stupid and scary.

A species that advanced? Isn’t going into the lion cage themselves. IMHO. We are probably dealing with either technological drones and or robots. Or biological drones operating technological craft. Just like the majority of an ant colony or a bee colony is operated by drones that don’t reproduce. They do all the scouting, defending, and heavy lifting. We probably get a free pass because we are on our own planet. If the alien civilization has conservation in mind. If not? Then our extinction event is probably in the not too distant future. And it probably didn’t matter if we shot at them or not. It’s like blaming a badger for defending its burrow. Silly. But If the burrow is in the middle of a free way project? The outcome won’t change. Maybe some of us will survive in their zoo.

Well, it would probably be a really dumb thing to shoot one down so we get a type specimen.

Either way, if they exist, government discourages discovery. If they don't exist, we have a problem with propaganda from non-government entities. Have you seen the radar video of a Predator drone shooting the orb with a Hellfire missile? it cut a few chunks off of the thing, but all the pieces just kept going as if in formation. Questions: * Why did they release that and other such videos? * Whose bright idea was it to shoot it down? * Now that they did try, and can see the result, who are they going to apologize to? (Ever punch a giant in the face only to see him smile back?) * Why not just go to Columbia and buy the Buga Sphere?

I know this is an old thread, but somehow I feel HashTagTriggered and HashTagUnsafe and HashTagOhMy. You wily and evil busturds.

Dilution of risk. The first rule is "use other people's money". His name and reputation carries gravitas, and he is known for his integrity. If he takes money from XYZ Network he risks losing control over his work and risks being Bear Grylls or Dual Survival or worse....Finding Bigfoot. I kicked in some $$.

I had my encounter in Glennie Michigan on Nov 13th, 1993. I was not a believer, nor was I even interested in Bigfoot at that time. I was at the cabin cutting firewood and getting the place ready for my maternal grandfather and great uncle to get there for opening day of rifle season which started on the 15th. So, yeah, I KNOW they are in MI.

And I don’t disagree. But what I am saying is that they had to be extra terrestrial before they became extra dimensional. We humans are not extra dimensional because we don’t have the technology to do so. But in 1000 years? 5000 years? We could develop the energy and technology to do so. Thats why I think SETI is folly. They aim transceivers at stars and listen for radio signals. Sufficiently advanced aliens are probably no longer living on their home world. And they are probably not using archaic radio signals for communication. They could be so advanced? That they could have beaten their own radio signals to this planet physically. Just like someday our future warp drive space craft will probably fly by the Voyager mission. Still trudging along at some paltry trajectory. Heck maybe future archeologists will capture it and study it like the pyramids? I think the discovery of another species of Homo living under our noses would be profound, disruptive and even terrifying for some. Yes.

They are trying to as we speak. https://plumassun.org/2025/04/22/new-study-assesses-return-of-grizzly-bears-to-california/ I think it’s something along those lines. It has more to do with us and our place on the planet than it does with them.

fair point. I just lean towards extra dimensional being more feasible. However, that is just my opinion.

I personally don’t think there is a difference. If your species evolved on a planet very far away, but it’s now a type 3 civilization that can fold space and time? They could be a time traveler. Distances between galaxies or even possibly other universes (multi verse theory) become meaningless. I don’t even think we fully comprehend what a type 3 civilization could be capable of. All of the energy of all of the stars in a single galaxy. Imagine that.

I agree with you that there is a massive coverup. My point of contention is whether these crafts are extraterrestrial or extradimensional. Extraterrestrial vs extradimensional — short, useful definitions Extraterrestrial = something that exists elsewhere in our universe’s space–time (another planet, star system, galaxy). It’s still subject to the same physical laws (speed of light, conservation of energy, etc.). Extradimensional = something that exists in a different dimension or “brane” (extra spatial dimensions, a different manifold, or some other sector not directly embedded in our 4D spacetime). This is a speculative idea in some theories (string theory branes, higher-dimensions, etc.). Extradimensional entities or pathways are often invoked in fiction because they could — in principle — allow shortcuts that bypass the normal space-time distance constraints. But they are highly speculative and there’s no empirical evidence for accessible extradimensional shortcuts. Key conceptual difference: extraterrestrial = far away but in the same spacetime; extradimensional = potentially outside/orthogonal to our spacetime Bottom line (practical summary) Intergalactic distances are enormous — millions of light years. Even at 0.99c the trip to Andromeda is ~2.6 million years. Energy scales are stupendous — accelerating modest masses to relativistic speeds requires energy comparable to planetary or stellar outputs. Collisions with the interstellar medium at relativistic speeds produce destructive energies per square meter (megaton scale impacts). Shielding against that is hugely mass-expensive. Propulsion and fuel constraints: chemical rockets are hopeless; even nuclear or antimatter options face energy, engineering, and mass-storage problems many orders beyond current capability. Extradimensional/via-new-physics shortcuts remain the only fictional / speculative ways to avoid these constraints — but they rest on physics we don’t have evidence for and typically require exotic, currently unrealizable energy conditions. I used to be in the extraterrestrial camp. I now lean more towards an extradimensional explanation for the UAP/UFO and biological entities we know to exist.

Because we (environmentalists) know all about grizzlies and demand their salvation (even though that is stupidity in some of their original range, like California). Imagine the uproar over another Homo species on the cusp of extinction. People and grizzlies are like oil and water. Today's news. This isn't odd. People up here get chewed up every year. Add another 38 million human bodies, and the bears go nuts.

Why not reintroduce grizzly bears into California? I mean, there is a grizzly on the state flag. They had no problem releasing wolves back into the state. Sasquatch and the implications of its existence are as profoundly disruptive to the world as alien disclosure. That is why these two secrecy campaigns mirror one another so closely. Sasquatch isn't covered up because of logging. It has more to do with our understanding of the physical world, systems of control and the multi-dimensional reality we live in (which has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt).

But why? Why save Grizzly bears but not Sasquatch?

It's both. Government is letting them go extinct as quietly and peacefully as possible.

https://law.justia.com/cases/alaska/supreme-court/1979/3919-1.html Mythical animals don't exist, and there is no liability if one harms or kills you.

Well…yes! https://fwp.mt.gov/binaries/content/assets/fwp/montana-outdoors/our-point-of-view/2016/ja16dm.pdf If Grizzly bear recovery in the lower 48 is a success story? Then being a scientifically recognizable species on the endangered species list is very beneficial to the species in question. I don't think the Government is keeping them a secret for their own good. I think they are keeping them a secret for their own destruction. They are slowly being paved over. Them and the salmon. https://www.fisheries.noaa.gov/west-coast/endangered-species-conservation/saving-pacific-salmon-and-steelhead#how-are-they-doing

After news of the gorilla attack died down in Snyder County, The Harrisburg (PA) Patriot-News published this compilation of encounters with the "missing link" on December 20, 1920. This account is mentioned in Bigfoot in Pennsylvania by Timothy Renner.

Dude, that is SO legit!

Absolutely. So called "mainstream" science and DOTGOV are never going to recognize or protect them until a PUBLICIZED actual body that is open to be studied by multiple primatologists, anatomists, forensic anthropologists, taxonomists, etc without interference from ANY government agency. Had I not seen one, I would be convinced by the extant evidence, that a living bipedal relict hominin was present in North America. 1. The P-G Film / Freeman Film 2. The footprint evidence 3. Credible eyewitness reports 4. Meldrum, Krantz, Steenburg, Dahinden, Bindernagel collectively and ALL their work 5. The collective Native American and First Nations cultural agreement that they have been a fact throughout their cultural memory Those are just the top five...but what I KNOW, and what I SAW, and what has convinced ME means absolutely diddly squat to 99.9999999999999999% of other people and what I believe, think, or have become convinced of shouldn't mean squat, and honestly I don't care because I am not personally trying to convince anyone else. But that doesn't mean I wouldn't like it to be proven to the mainstream in order for them to be officially and protected as a REALLY FREAKIN COOL North American Megafauna. I don't care if they are proven to be a great ape, a hominin, an adapted gorilla, or whatever. But to get there...we need honest, open, collegial, and courteous dialog. If you get to know me, you will learn I am absolutely the MOST non politically correct human being on the planet...but...I am "diplomatic" when it is appropriate. I always ask "Why?" or "What led you to that conclusion?" so I can gain insight to whether someone thinks, feels, believes, or is convinced about X Y Z. It's the cop turned lawyer in me. too many people conflate what they THINK with what they actually FEEL when they say "Well, I think...." they actually mean "Well, I feel..." so we need precision in our language and discussions amongst ourselves and a lack of Renee Dahinden emotion when evaluating evidence. Like I have said before. I am here to learn and discuss. Thanks for having me.