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Then you agree they are not Denisovans? Again you’re talking about individuals. We are talking through satellites in space. So I am assuming you’re not feral either. And so is 99.9 % of humanity. My light switch flipped on other wise I would be trying to talk to you by smoke signals.

Correct. We're talking about an incredibly rare species of human. Not individual, but certainly not a society. And its appears they like it that way. I don't think it's an earlier branch of hominid. I think it's the evolved species of a branch of hominin. Not all of us. Some of us do.

You're reversing evolution. If these creatures exist, they never used tools. Ever. There are a lot of people out there who do things that you may never even want to do. You might even dislike the way they do things. Why doesn't your light switch on? Because you don't want it to.

My sneaking suspicion is that if they could have they would have. As modern humans have both Neanderthal and Denisovan DNA in us.

As an individual yes. But we are not talking about an abandoned Homo Sapiens child being raised by wolves. As a species? Of course as you go back in time the more feral we become. Which is why I think Bigfoot is an earlier branch of hominid. But this isn’t by choice or a cruel twist of fate.

I doubt native Americans were stupid enough to teach sasquatches how to build stone knives, bows, and arrows 10,000 years ago.

Feral people have been a thing from the beginning.

Well let’s say that did happen. A break away group of Denisovans dropped their stone tools, left their warm hearths and just walked into the wilderness. The elders of the group have made a pact to become feral. How would they make it stick? Great great grandson is out picking berries and watches a group of Neanderthals or other Denisovans kill an Elk using spears. How does the light bulb not go on?

Events just couldn't occur that way. Denisovans were spread, geographically, what? Over a third of the globe? And existed temporally for hundreds of thousands of years. If I'm understanding what you're trying to say (and I can be hopelessly incorrect often,) there had to be a collective decision to forgo tools. Do I have that right? Forgive me if I don't. But if that's the case, it simply couldn't work that way. (Excuse me, I haven't watched the video, as I think associating Denisovans with bigfoot is, frankly, silly. No offense intended.)

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Well we are now on the subject of the Ebu Gogo! How long does it take for a species to shrink to a island? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insular_dwarfism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_floresiensis I enjoy it very much! Thanks!

Here is another example maybe most don’t think of. Two Homo Sapiens separated by 12000 years? (This number is rapidly going older, but for sake of argument I will stick with the traditional number) Within the span of 100 years? Native Americans are quickly adopting Horses, Guns, Steel knives, Iron cookware, mirrors, etc. They cannot make any of the trade items themselves. And yet they forsake traditional methods and begin seeking to acquire the trade goods. They are not using rifles as teepee stakes or steel knives as door stops. That’s because despite being cutoff from mainstream human technological advancements. They are not dumb people. They see the technology for what it is and incorporate it into their lives. I am going to go out on a limb and say that if North America was populated by Paranthropus Robustus? This quick assimilation to these trade items just simply would not have occurred. Many tales of the Ebu Gogo, I just posted a video of a man who was studying the myth before the discovery. One of the stories as told by Flores natives is some hobbits (as they are now known) came into camp one night. The villagers fed them dinner on plates. When the hobbits got done with the dinner they tried to eat the plates….. Many stories about Bigfoot as well that are similar. One that sticks in my mind is a miner in California had noticed that his camp was being messed with. So one morning he left camp as usual and then snuck back and hide and observed it. A Bigfoot came into camp and began playing with the fire like a child would. Very curious but at the same time just inept with the concept.

I guess I'm just less inclined to accept what we think we know about early hominims and their development. So much has changed so drastically and so fast - and I think it will continue to do so. I also tend to believe that body morphology can change more quickly and drastically than we might imagine with human (or human-like) populations that are isolated and stressed. I understand where you're coming from though and I enjoy these thought experiments as well!

I'm not sure we know enough about early hominim development to make any statements with such certainty, but I'm sure that sounds logical to many. However, I don't think that's really the argument. It's more complicated than that. I think it's all about survival strategies in hostile environments and what options creatures with human-sized brains have. I'd bet they have more options than we can imagine.

A species of human could no more consciously decide to stop using/manufacturing tools than a leopard can change its spots.

They seem to walk through snow like it’s a field of clover, obviously it doesn’t bother them. All wildlife is perfectly home in their environment, which includes rain.

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Sorry Norse, clearly a mistake some how.

I used the term reverse evolution in the context of some bias Bigfooters have to suggest Bigfoot is more “ape” than “human”. Nevermind that Humans are fully ape. Homo Sapiens are a great ape species. Just like some Bigfooters are up in arms that Meldrum’s skeleton has a “Gorilla” head on it. And yet? Go look at the Toumai skull….. There are plenty of human ancestors walking around on 2 legs with Gorilla like skulls. The problem with your special pleading concerning Denisovans not using tools as a whole is that its direct ancestor used fire and tools. And its direct ancestor used fire and tools. The Homo Erectus hand axe is 2 million years old. Denisovans are very advanced and well established as humans doing human things. So in my logic? It makes more sense that Sasquatch is a much older human ancestor that never developed any of these cultural trappings than to try to take something basically almost a modern human and then try to explain how it lives like it does today. Some of the modern human population has Denisovan DNA after all. Australian aborigines being some of the highest. And while they look different than a European or an Asian or an African. I cannot say they resemble Sasquatch either. But that’s my .02 cents. I enjoy these thought experiments. 👍

There's really no such thing as "reverse evolution." It's just "evolution." There's no dependable rulebook. A species will evolve in whatever direction it needs to survive. The ancestors of whales used to live on dry land and then "reverse evolved" to return to the sea. That seems counterintuitive to me (since most all other creatures did just the opposite), but obviously it benefited their survival. Like I mentioned before, we MAY be over-estimating Denisovan tool use since the sights we've found their supposed tools at were also occupied by Neanderthals and Homo Sapiens. Mistakes like this happen all the time. And who's proven that ALL groups of Denisovans used tools? They were apparently widely distributed throughout all of Asia. Groups of them could have greatly varied both physically and culturally. And YES an early group of Denisovans (perhaps a non-tool using group) could have crossed over into the Americas and "evolved" to be bigger. They may have already been eating their food raw. If you think about, most reports of Bigfoot-like hominids in Asia are smaller (sometimes MUCH smaller) than their North American cousins. Obviously, all the early tool-using groups of Denisovans didn't survive, but perhaps some of their lineage found a unique way to beat the odds against modern humans. I have no issue with the Dr. Meldrum skeleton. I just have questions about the gorilla-like skull. It's all speculation at this point anyway. We could all be way off base. I just find the Denisovan theory intriguing (until I hear a better one!).

Yeah that was weird. I thought you had some great thoughts about it.

Where did I say this?

Here is a rabbit hole we can go down on human intelligence.

I am sure if it’s brutally cold they would seek a cave or an old mine. The nests were found out on the Olympic peninsula. Cold but not that cold.