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great post. thanks

Howdy all, digging the cooler weather.....here is several weeks of interesting impressions, the last one is another of the odd large tracks that I find, Dogman?.

Ah , the old <adjective> evidence game! I know how to play! Got any <adjective> evidence to back up that definitive pronouncement? How about defining "human" for us, please?

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Yes, it really is that bad and the details are graphic. Published in The Houston (TX) Post on January 30, 1884.

YEP

These are interesting points. The same science tends to say there is no such thing a Bigfoot. In fact, Meldrum has said only recently because of the discover of Lucy has science even considered a complicated tree of development vs a linear development. Whatever the concepts we have about these figures in your post, many of these things are still just theories. We can look at the recent human iceman Utzi and know what he wore with cloths, tools, weapons and so on. He is just a few 1000's years old and preserved. Assumptions about these ancient bones from eons ago we find in a dig may be pretty good guesses but some of it is still just guesses. Educated guesses, yes. Good thoughts.

The Density is unlikely to get cured any time soon as I am sure my condition is chronic or persistent. I really haven't missed any point. I feel I mostly understand the point. I am just not convinced by it. I should have ignored the title of the thread in my answers. What best evidence? Is there some kind of best evidence I have been missing here that strongly points to Bigfoot 1) being a very high order human/animal AND 2) Operating in organized societies who are so higher order they bury their dead? Evidence? In all due respect, it may be Bigfoot is all the things you say and more. I contend there is not some great evidence to show that. Your viewpoint assumes (or is very confident) Bigfoot is this higher order thing and operates in these organized societies. You are going to answer any question or theory on the BFF with this belief. I don't happen to share this belief Obviously this results in my answering the question differently based on my different viewpoint. My view is a range. My line is the bottom of the range open to the idea there could be a higher level I am not accounting for. Your view is a hardline level where you make no allowances for anything below the line you draw. That's fine. Just understand not everyone shares your view for reasons of their own. To someone convinced of the higher order Bigfoot, my more limited viewpoint doesn't seem reasonable. It might even seem Dense. The higher order bigfoot is fine with me. I have not moved that direction as I just don't see enough to move me there. It's nothing more than that. I do feel my view requires less need to stretch things to fit a viewpoint. But the title of the thread is different. I am going with the concept of the title of the thread and just trying to give a perspective about the question as I understand it. If we want to start a thread about [Is Bigfoot Tribal] or whatever it would seem that is a great place to have those or discussions. But the thread as I read it was under the consideration of what an old or injured bigfoot does. Since you have gone there let's assume this higher order Bigfoot society. Perhaps such a Bigfoot might compete to see who gets to do all the mating in the tribe. Maybe that injured bigfoot gives the young buck and chance to just kill off the competition. Maybe the young Bigfoot even murders him to get him out the way. Maybe he bulles the other Bigfoot in the triebe to keep help from the old or injured bigfoot to get him out of the way. The idea Bigfoot buries their dead (which has somehow appeared on the thread) is an interesting concept. We can assume reasons why a higher order Bigfoot might. It's just not based on any solid observation. I hate to make generalities as people tend to fight about anything they see as an exception about the point. It does seem to me most bigfoot reports out there (at least the ones presented on TV and shows like Bigfoot's Reflection) are a witness seeing one bigfoot. One can assume there are others out there are even an entire tribe of Ewoks. But if we just go by those reports at least in those circumstances, they report one bigfoot when reporting a Bigfoot sighting. Whatever our rituals are as humans the rituals are HUMAN. There are even variations in various other countries and regions of the world. Whatever these variations, they are all human. I see when the burial issue comes up it tends to be a response to the skeptic Q: "Why don't we find bigfoot bones in the woods" The higher order Bigfoot thinker would say "Because Bigfoot bury their dead" I would say the more reasonable assumption is what Meldrum, Grover, and others have said, That is essentially, "Nature quickly takes back the body and these same skeptics don't say the same things about bears." Because bigfoot is not a human. That's why. We don't know enough about the characteristics of bigfoot to say either way. We might look to apes to get at least a perspective. We would compare what apes do and maybe make the assumption that is what bigfoot might do. Nothing is certain but that makes more sense than comparing Bigfoot to what Cats do. It also makes more sense than comparing what humans do. Those who think like me don't look down on those who think Bigfoot is a high order being. Those who are certain Bigfoot is all of this or more should consider the perspective of those who just see Bigfoot as a more limited creature. It's just 2 perspectives. Since humans do about anything to survive when needed I assume Bigfoot would do so be it higher order or lower order. I would even say be it a human or higher order Bigfoot when starving they both actually BECOME animalistic. I just happen the think Bigfoot starts at that point in answering the question of the thread.

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A kidnapping by a Sasquatch is truly a fantastic story, but none of the three stories that I've mentioned had a basis of origin in a small newspaper at all, which has now become widely believed in the story of Jocko. In the Ostman story, Ostman was a known personage who did report his story to his local newspaper (The Province) in 1957, 33 years after the kidnapping, but he had no motivation to "sell more papers". He remained alive for years after he told his story and was well interviewed, unlike the persons in the Jocko story. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Ostman The Muchalat Harry story was told to Bigfoot author and investigator Peter Byrne by Father Anthony Terhaar of Mt. Angel Abbey in Oregon, who was a missionary priest who traveled the west coast of Vancouver Island for many years, and was living at Nootka at the time of the story and who knew Muchalat Harry very well. http://www.bigfootencounters.com/classics/muchalat.htm The third story has never made the newspapers. I found it posted to an Internet forum of Alaskan outdoorsmen in 2010. It has all the hallmarks of a scary campfire story, but it has some very intestine features (poop smearing) that I've never heard or read of before (but which goes quite a ways toward explaining some of the stench reports involving sasquatches), and I've come to recognize that poster from later posts, and who appears to be a pretty cogent guy. https://bigfootforums.com/topic/28150-a-coast-range-bigfoot-story/#comment-544030

Didn't see that coming. As published in the follow-up piece on July 22, 1875 in the Austin (TX) American-Statesman, he sounds decidedly more human than squatchy. But we'll never know.

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What you stated is the benchmark of civilization. Not tools or weapons or technology.

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Attack the argument NOT the poster please.

You've completely missed the point. I'm not trying to be a jerk here but I'm flabbergasted by your extraordinary cranial density! Let me spell this out in smaller words. This is not about what one sick / injured bigfoot does. Best evidence is there is never just one, there's always a group. What I'm trying to draw your attention to, what you seem hell bent on overlooking, is that it is not about what the sick / injured individual does, it is about what the group .. call it family, clan, tribe, whatever .. does to take care of the sick, old, or injured individual. Think about burial. How many dead people dig the graves they're buried in? Any? Or do the survivors bury the dead? Why would bigfoot be any different? It is not about what the sick or old do to feed themselves, it is about the group providing sustenance to those who can't feed themselves. And so on and so on. Please go back and re-read what I said with the understanding that I'm not talking about what the incapacitated, elderly, sick, etc individual does but rather what the group does to provide care for that individual. Bears don't do that. Deer don't do that. Elephants apparently SLIGHTLY do that. Most critters will prey on their own weak. Humans .. including, we think, prehistoric ones .. absolutely do and did. Maybe that, more than technology, is what makes us human instead of just animals.

I take most fantastic old stories with a major grain of salt. Many of these legends were published in a small newspaper first, in order to sell more papers.

many cultures burned the dead instead of burying.

They hypothesis that we began burying our dead because it attracted predators. So it began as pragmatic and may have evolved into more of a ritual. Homo Naledi at Rising Star Cave just unceremoniously dumped their dead down a chute in the back of the cave. Whereas Neanderthals buried their dead with grave goods, ochre, flowers, etc. Interestingly enough? There are no stone tools associated with Homo Naledi. So I find it odd that they are included in the genus Homo. Which just shows that science has a very gray area defining what is included in our genus and what is not. So Sasquatch may be included in our genus or it may be excluded upon discovery. But I flat reject that they are apart of our species. Based on morphology alone. Great apes are exceptionally smart (excluding humans or Homo Sapiens), so our ancestors like Homo Erectus must of been terrifying. I would not want a pack of them hunting me in the forest with spears. (L-R) Australopithecus Afarensis, Homo Erectus, Homo Naledi

I deleted the duplicate that was lacking “Tribes” from the title. 👍

Published in the Austin (TX) American-Statesman on July 21, 1875, fourteen years before the Texas wild boy found by Tirademan.

THE LEGEND OF SACRED BABY MOUNTAIN By Dr. Tuklo Nashoba -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From the Legends page of "ITS-BIG" & DR. TUKLO NASHOBA September 22 2001 at 8:11 AM David Holley, Founder of TBRI -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- There are many tales of strange happenings in the forests and woodlands of Oklahoma. Many of the folk have stories about haunted woods, strange beasts out in the woods, and "spooky" noises. There are legends, folktales and family histories where screams in the night have been handed down from family member to successive family member. Hamas Tubbee was an unusually large man, even for a Choctaw Indian. His father, Hanali Tubbee stood two inches over eight feet in height and weighed five hundred forty pounds. Hama and his six sons stood about a foot shorter than Pahlumi, or "father" Tubbee. They were large, exceedingly strong, fierce warriors. Hamas and his sons were the point riders for a troop of Choctaw cavalry known as the "Lighthorsemen". Many in the Choctaw Nation thought it humorous that such large men, riding draft horses, refered to themselves as "Lighthorsemen". Tubbees men experienced something which none would ever forget. This day's assignment was to flush out some bandits that had been preying upon the local farmers. A thirty man troop would be going into an area which later in the "state" of Oklahoma became the "McCurtain County Wilderness Area". These bandits had been not only taking large quantities of corn, squash, and beans, but had as well been taking very young children. This thievery had been taking place across the border in Arkansas as well as in Indian Territory. The captain of the troop of Choctaw cavalry was a man named Joshua LeFlore. Captain LeFlore was of mixed blood, part French, part Choctaw. The men deeply respected him. Joshua LeFlore was impeccably honest and wasbrave to a fault. The men had been traveling horseback non-stop since three o'clock in the morning. They began their assignment at the tribal capital in Tuskaloma and when they finally came to the Clover River, they let their horses eat and the men decided to rest and eat as well. Non-stop riding for eight hours, having to lead their horses across Little River, and the hot July sun were taking a toll on the men and their mounts. When some time had passed, Captain Josh gave the order and the men remounted and they began the last leg of their trip. At or around 4:30 in the afternoon, the troop came to the edge of the area which the bandits were supposed to be inhabiting. Captain Josh signaled with uplifted hand that the troop should come to a halt. Standing in his stirups, Captain Josh utilized a ship's eyepiece [telescope] and promptly turned to his men and gave the command for a full armed charge. The distance between the suspected bandits and the troopers was about five hundred yards. The Tubbee men and captain Josh were at the front of the charge and as the thirty men and he neared the thick, pine forest where the bandits were, two things took place at once... The stench of death assaulted both men and horses, and the horses became uncontrollable. Horses were rearing, pitching and throwing riders. Captain Josh and the seven Tubbee men were the only ones in the troop whose mounts were disciplined enough that they continued to obey their riders and continued to charge in the midst of the bandits. When the eight men met with the "bandits" they were totally unprepared for what greeted them. The clearing behind the inital tree cover was actually a large, earthen mound. Strewn about the mound were numerous corpses of human children in varying stages of decay. Most of the bandits had fled, but three really large, hairy ape-like creatures remained at the mound. Captain Josh drew his sabre and with pistol in hand, sabre in the other, charged the huge monsters. The nearest monster killed Captain LeFlore's horse with one blow of its massive hand. The monster never flinched as Captain LeFlore poured bullets from his Patterson's Colt revolver into the beasts chest. After emptying the revolver into the monster, Captain Joshua continued to press the attack with his sabre. Many times did the sabre meet with the brute's flesh and many times did blood spew from the gaping wounds on the beasts body. So quickly did this engagement take place that the Tubbee men had barely enough time to take aim at the three monsters before one of the beasts flanked the Captain and literally tore off Captain LeFlore's head. There was not time for any sort of delay due to shock. The Tubbee men opened fire upon the three man-beasts. Seven 50-caliber Sharp's buffalo rifles impacted the three simian appearing brutes at the same time. From years of routine and practice, all bullets smashed into the three monster's heads. six rounds were fired into the heads of the two monsters which were the culprits that killed their beloved Captain. Only the youngest Tubbee; Robert, had the presence of mind to put a bullet into the head of the third monster. A legend was born that day. Robert Tubbee, 18 years of age, all six feet eleven inches, three hundred seventy-three pounds of him, chased down a wounded man-beast and finished the beast off with only his hunting knife. By the time the other six Tubbee men caught up with Robert and the monster, Robert had already decapitated the beast. Holding the head aloft with both hands, Robert let out a primal scream which made even the Tubbee mounts panic. The "light-horsemen" gathered their mounts and surveyed what was before them. Absolute carnage littered about the clearing. The partially consumed bodies of nineteen children lay upon and about the mound. The stench of decaying bodies was bad enough, but the over-powering odor of the man-beasts' urine and feces was more than the strongest stomach could endure. After retching violently, the men of the troop buried the bodies of the children in nineteen small graves, buried their beloved Captain, and as a matter of respect, gave him a twenty-one gun salute. They built a large bon-fire, placed the murderous man-beasts upon it, and lit it. As they rode back into Tuskahoma each man struggled with emotions and thoughts he never before imagined.