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I agree that the PGF wins the Oscar as the best sasquatch film of the century, and that is due to two witnesses to the event, excellent exposure of the creature in the open and good lighting, excellent casted prints from the site, visits from independent people fairly soon after the event who also took pictures of the prints, an area featuring numerous reports over the previous 12 years as well as long afterwards, those same casted footprints casted elsewhere in the area, and the fact that the film was film, not digital. #2: The Freeman film. This film features poor visual quality and was filmed by a single witness, but is accompanied with good casted prints. There was poor evidence documentation and no followup with independent investigators, but the original witness featured a long history of sasquatch investigation that exhibited good knowledge of the creatures of that locale. #3: No Further Comment: There are plenty of other films of note (Independence Day Film, Marble Mountain Film, Provo Mountain film, Mission BC film), but none also feature casted prints or film quality even to the Freeman film quality. I now consider digital video useless as evidence. It's too easily manipulated.

Unlike federal and state agencies, law enforcement officers and agencies have documented sasquatch evidence from investigations initiated by public calls as well as encounters of their own several times.

I agree with this fully. There are "scientists" who now believe that the homo sapien population on Earth crashed some 900,000 years ago to as few as 1250 individuals. If true, this indicates that a current sasquatch population of a couple thousand individuals might still be a viable species. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/human-ancestors-nearly-went-extinct-900-000-years-ago/

Really? BP did 2 million intercepts last year.

There are a few things to my premise, but the biggest point has to be quality of videos. If there are tons and tons of videos out there that's great. However, what are the top 3 or top 5 most convincing out there? I am assuming the PGF is the mount Rushmore. It's #1. What are the others? 1- PGF 2- ? 3- ? What are those top 3? Top 5? Most of us know we want a body. A body on a slab would convince everyone. Since we lack such a body, the PGF is a pretty good second option. Even then I'm guessing the PGF doesn't even convince 50% of those who view it. We cannot know how many Bigfeet are out there. I'm guessing there are very few on their way to extinction. If bigfoot exists it elusiveness is probably based on population density not a government cover up. To me that is a safer bet. Which is more likely: 1) The tech has revealed proof Bigfoot exist and the government keeps it quiet. - Consider every additional thing needed to make that true. 2) This same massive excellent nowhere-to-hide tech has yet to see a single bigfoot at a level of the PGF? A single hit/ or sighting would direct teams of wildlife people to this Bigfoot? -if there are enough fishing lines in the water, enough depth finders out there and you catch no fish the lake may just not have any fish. With that many real and electronic eyes, we don't have a Bigfoot hit. If not, I choose the few number available over 1,000s able to keep quiet. They couldn't keep quiet about an entire exhaustive list of confirmed government secrets, but all involved somehow can keep quiet about Bigfoot. This more favors Bigfoot not existing at all instead of Bigfoot being an obvious known entity our government keeps quiet. I'm fine with the truth being in the middle. There are few bigfoot if real. The assumed territory is expansive. Scientist work in the government. Those scientists generally think Bigfoot is not proven. To the extent they may believe or disbelieve is on a continuum in flux made up with all kinds of people with different levels of complex belief. They have bigger fish to fry and worry about Bigfoot until one drops into their lap. Doesn't look like a very secure border to me.

Just got back from a hike. My left arch is killing me. Old is dumb. Got up to Priest lake yesterday.

I think he is a complete hoaxer. But ask Kitakaze if Roger Patterson is a hoaxer? The answer would be the same. But thats not the point I am trying to make.

interestingly enough I was doing bigfoot research on google and came across this post from over 8 years ago.. on BFF. seems other people have basically called out todd standing before

lets look at some of todds different BiGFEeTs....

Todd standing is a hoaxer. All his sasquatches look completely different. Some of his hoaxes are complete garbage.

It doesn’t matter if you are impressed by them. Your premise is that we have too few videos for a viable breeding population to exist. And yet we do have tons and tons of videos. No video will ever convince science. We know what it will take to convince science. There are roughly 2000 Grizzly bears in the lower 48. They are still listed as endangered. Do we know they exist? You’re committing an error here when you’re comparing a rescue mission with not knowing a species exists. It’s apples and oranges. Just because we cannot find one specific human in a very narrow time frame? Does not mean we don’t know humans exist. Right? How long has the Border Patrol been watching our borders with technology capable of recording foot traffic at night? We had seismic sensors and night vision during the Vietnam war. OK so for 70 years the Border Patrol has watched our borders with advanced enough gear to detect Sasquatch. Now multiply that by an endangered population of some 2000 individuals. 2000 individuals who are foraging, hunting, mating, birthing, fighting, trekking, fishing, etc. Now draw a line through their territory and call it the USA-Canada border and cut a 100 foot wide swath through the forest. Plus open natural features and clear cuts in close proximity to the line. How many times a year are individuals crossing the border? Times by 70 years? It has to be in the millions of events. This isn’t a lone human with a balloon one time event. No. This is a viable breeding population going about its business. And a hyper sensitive surveillance system operated by a world super power. And our cousins to the north are also watching the border. And these agencies don’t take a break or fumble with a camera like Bob and Ethel do. This is their JOB. They are out there 365 days a year. Now add in the military. Now add in the coast guard. Now add in law enforcement. The Yakima proving grounds. Ft. Lewis. The coastline of Washington and Oregon. There is way way more surveillance being conducted that just the USA-Canada border by many many agencies. As far as people being killed? You don’t need to kill people to silence them. You just have to make the subject ludicrous. And everyone associated with it look like clowns. Which is exactly what they have done. And not just with this subject. As to why? We can all speculate. You say that Sasquatch would never be a national security risk and that may be true. But it could certainly be a threat to their control over the land and its resources. And most importantly it’s a definite threat to their control over the TRUTH.

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^^^ Isn't any suspected Bigfoot DNA sample somewhat of a self-fulfilling prophecy? To be overly simple, If we expect Bigfoot to be in the human-type line, any human like DNA result allows the skeptic to say it's human and not some unknown ape. DNA might be a bit like the height determination of Patty in the PGF. IF Patty was outrageously tall/ 8 foot tall it is so unique it nearly has to be real. If Patty is 6'1'' then Patty could be nearly any adult male in a suit. Unless a DNA result is something we have never seen before, doesn't it suggest its explainable. A common result can be dismissed as not unique enough to meet our/their expectations.

The vids you mentioned are not at all impressive to me. If I'm not impressed as a man who is very interested in the subject (esp. as it relates to the PGF primarily) then how can I expect others to be? I don't. They are not. I am not. Like it or not the level of video offered is going to have to be a home-run level. A double or even a tripple won't do. I understand where you are coming from. I have no idea what a population would be. We would both agree if there were 1 million Bigfoot in an area the sightings are going to be more common than if there are only 10. I'm just a regular joe when it comes to actual outdoor experts or hunting experts. I nearly always defer to them on matters which occur outside my front door. It just seems to me you have two issues here: 1) a NEAR EXTINCT number of Bigfoot and 2) a massive area to populate their small numbers. This supports a saying I read on the BFF years ago: "Bigfoot is like the KGB, you don't find them, they find you" These two factors for me just seem to be the most likely reason to explain rare Bigfoot sightings and the difficulty capturing one in a fumbling cell phone camera. No other reason needed. IF the previous assumption you make are true then it is slightly possible the Government would know. However, they wouldn't know any more than lots of non-government agencies and people. Unless Bigfoot is literally an Alien visitor like ET or some science experiment gone awry, I don't see how Bigfoot would be a threat or concern to our national security. Unless it is 1) highlest level of threat and 2) Proven to exist I still don't understand how that Government left Bob Gimlin alive all these years. Maybe they caused Roger to get ill again but they forgot about Bob. They even forgot to seize the PGF on the 1967/19678 USA tour. Watch out Peter Graves. That Memorial Day footage is out there. Other footage it out there. Many of those people haven't been eliminated either. We can both come up with some hunters-shooting-each-other concerns. I would agree. Beyond that, we just have to disagree to some extent. And yet how few times if ever these entities capture a rare animal and so on. Why didn't the government know where millionaire Balloonist Steve Fassett when down in his ballon crash right away? Government isn't all-knowing but they are still darn impressive with their capabilities and keeping us safe for the most part. Still, it took 5,000 volunteers, dogs, and tech. nearly 1 week to find a lost autistic boy lost in a Virgina state park. Massive private and Government entities and it still took a week in a reasonable limited search area. I see no reason there has to be. We might be reading too much into what we think we know and understand about it. Yet, you could be 100% right. This goes into an area I am not as familiar with on those specifics. On the issue of giant skeletons, the few times I have had discussion with people about them, I have yet to meet one who didn't base their consideration of this issue in a religious context. There are other examples I can think of where religious assumptions or traditional or cultural assumption limit a more objective consideration. There are those who think the Vinland Map is 100% authentic. Some believe this based on their belief such a map probably existed and the Viking got here first. Thus, the map has to be real. While they likely did arrive in 900 or 1000AD, this has no bearing on the map.

I can think of many other films besides the PGF. The Freeman footage, the Memorial day footage, Myakka ape photos, heck what about all of Todd Standings footage? There is a mountain of footage out there by amateurs with a camera or now a phone. We are not lacking on footage concerning this subject. Whats fake? Whats not? Thats a different question. But logic dictates that if Bigfoot exists? Then a viable breeding population exists to support these sightings. So then logic also dictates that there is absolutely no way our government doesn’t know about this viable breeding population. We spend 1 trillion dollars a year alone just on defense. Plus every ABC agency that is capable of surveillance on our borders and coastlines. Border Patrol for example. And they are trained to target bipedal figures crossing our borders illegally. They are not going to notice a 8’ Sasquatch crossing the border at night? No way. There has to be sealed vaults of stacks of footage or they are simply destroyed or erased. And then the black hole at the Smithsonian? Any physical evidence found is shipped back there to be never seen again. Look at the Lovelock cave giant’s skeletons. Gone. I am the biggest pro kill proponent you will ever meet. But I am full aware the system is completely rigged against this discovery. For whatever the reason? The federal government has placed a giant thumbs down for disclosure about this subject. Otherwise we would already know about it.

If we had such a population, we should expect to have a new PGF-level film on a regular basis. These would occur often (more than 1 time in 50 years) by regular people out there with cell phones. Assuming Bigfoot is real, I account for this lack of Patterson-level video by the small number of Bigfoot out there. Bigfoot country makes it harder as well but even in a thick wilderness we can find about anything and film it if there is enough of them. Lack of many new PGF-level films simply supports/reinforces the notion by the scientific community Bigfoot is not likely out there. Deer, Bob Cats, or even the rare Wolverine are caught on video. The more common the animal, the increased ease of capturing it on video. Some parts of our government involved in an area of expertise are generally sitting on their hands until such time they are forced to become reactionary. They are not likely to be pre-emptive. Probably about the same reason about anyone else doesn't know they exist. I was confident- prior to AI fake stuff- if we had a home run clear PGF 2.0 it would prove to most people Bigfoot exists. Now if we had such a film there would be a big "It's got to be fake" feeling out there about Bigfoot or anything else extraordinary. Yet, if we truly had a new, Provable, Home-Run level PGF video or better (and esp. a Body on a slab) Government, non-government and so on would all respond on their own level to these new circumstances. They would react then. Not until then. BTW most people care very little about much outside their own reality until it comes into their life and affects them directly. If CNN, Fox, and so on had 50 reporters with cameras interviewing a hunter who shot a Bigfoot the public would react. Government would react. The public would pressure the government to further act. Science skeptics would react. Some might even apologize to Jeff Meldrum, and so on. Sure, the tree huggers would want Bigfoot protected and some hunter might want to shoot one for their wall but shoot their neighbor by accident. But.... The first thing- Provable Bigfoot-has to occur for any and all those things and more to occur. IF PROOF then REACTION.

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If a viable population of Ape men is roaming the hinterlands of north America today? Can you give me any good reasons as to why the federal government wouldn’t know it exists? Why is the Smithsonian exempt from the Indian Graves Act? It’s a simple formula for the government to be clear of conspiracy. Just be transparent. They wont be.

Mentioned in SASQUATCH/BIGFOOT CHRONICLE & Other Unrecognized Relict Hominoids & Wild Men Earliest Reports to 1899 by Christopher L. Murphy (Unpublished), this article is from the Freeman And Messenger of Lodi (NY) and was published on May 7, 1840. .

This newspaper article relates to John Green report #992211 and was added to the Forums by Redbone in the Sightings forum. It's added here to increase visibility for people newly interested in Bigfoot who may not know about John Green's database. Bobbi Short's (RIP) Bigfoot Encounters website has additional information under the sightings section; however, I was unable to find any newspaper articles confirming that additional information. Indeed, one of the papers she cited does not appear to be included in the Newspapers.com archives.

The first article is from The Province of Vancouver (BC) on April 21, 1938; the advertisement is from The Chilliwack (BC) Progress on May 18, 1938.

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