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This is a really fascinating video, thanks so much for posting! It's kinda nitpicking, but I think it's an important point that it's not really a 'debate' as no one is trying to 'win' or score cheap points, it's very much a discourse and that is so much more productive. I feel like a lot of these discussions turn into debates where people compete against each other to try and 'win' the argument and at the end of the day everyone loses. For full disclosure, I am sceptical by nature. I'm an atheist, I don't believe in ghosts and I don't believe aliens have visited earth. On the topic of bigfoot or sasquatch I'm very much torn as when I see the 'Patty' film it just looks real and genuine to me. That looks like a massive, weighty, bipedal ape that is definitely not a human in a suit and moves with a real looking cadence. However, there are so many questions surrounding other evidence sources such as testimony, hair samples, lack of body, lack of better definition visual record etc. As I said, I'm actually really torn on this subject as it's a bit of a Occam's razor to me: Is it simpler for me to explain away the lack of a cadaver, lack of fossil record, lack of good visual record or is it easier for me to explain away the 'Patty' film which I think looks very much real. I just can't explain away the film, I've tried to rationalise it and have read Mr. Munn's fascinating book and I can see no way realistically in 1967 that a couple of Cowboys pulled that off as a hoax, I think they filmed a real live animal there but that brings up just so many questions....................

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In this episode, we delve into the remarkable experience of Paul from Westmoreland County in southwest Pennsylvania, a lifelong outdoorsman, archery hunter, and woodsman who has spent decades exploring forests across the country. Having grown up in the woods of central New York and later spending years hiking, hunting, and trail building in Pennsylvania and Colorado, Paul knows the forest in a way that only comes from a lifetime outdoors. During the early days of the 2020 bow season, while sitting high in a tree stand on a property he knows inch by inch, something happened that changed the way he sees the woods forever. The forest suddenly fell completely silent. Every sound disappeared. In that stillness, Paul noticed something moving beneath him that did not look like any animal he had ever seen before. What followed was a moment that left him questioning everything he thought he understood about the wilderness around him. In this conversation, Paul carefully recounts what he witnessed that day and how the experience affected his relationship with the woods he has always called home. Join us as we explore Paul’s story from the forests of southwest Pennsylvania and hear firsthand what can happen when something unknown moves quietly through the trees. Listen to the Podcast

If what Eric is saying here is accurate, Meldrum was stunned and said it looks like a test run for the pg film. It's 30min long but worth the listen. Again, going back to my opening statement, what I saw, what 75% of our report base states, and many other reports around NA, what I saw only looked like Patty in the sense that it was covered in hair. Sasquatch stories predate the PGF and will likely continue until human extinction. The truth is out there, it's just not likely to be anything close to what we think it is. https://youtu.be/WBuWLe1MC_A?si=GORMNkDynvfkrHQl

Depends on her mood I suppose lol. I'm currently typing this one handed after testing the theory with my wife 😂.

Mentions methods that could conceivably add perceived muscle movement to suits, yet fails to demonstrate any such effects on the various suits that have been put forth, over the years. None of those proposed suits have even approached the biological movements seen in the PGF. I predict the Capturing Bigfoot expose will be less than satisfying.

https://people.com/famous-1967-bigfoot-film-was-staged-says-director-of-new-doc-11926085 It’s damning if you read the breakdown here that said I haven’t seen it myself yet.

For me personally? Its authenticity has no bearing on things I have seen in the woods. And I am very sure that is true of others as well. And it also has no bearing going forward on proof of a new species. That requires a body. I will listen to new evidence. But as you say, everything thus far has been abysmal.

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It’s 2026 and people are still desperately trying to discredit the film. So far all attempts have failed as none of them address the issues that exist with replicating the film subject with 1960’s costume technology.

Such surely brings into question any conclusions our new member draws.

I am not killing the messenger. You were cherry picking some “gotcha moment” Rogan video short against Meldrum. Which is a crock. It doesn’t even remotely represent what Meldrum said in the full interview let alone years of conferences and his BOOK!? Really? Have you read it? So hence forth I will be scrutinizing you based on this slanderous event you perpetrated on this forum. Sorry.

I’ve seen Heronimous in a costume….. I won’t hold my breath.

There’s also an unseen early film from the same location with the first trial costume?

Meldrum was just repeating Joe’s line where he explores what he thinks is a possibility. The only arguments presented here by skeptics are that people close to Patterson claim it’s a hoax. Meanwhile Patty herself has characteristics that aren’t repeatable with costumes.

Don’t kill the messenger it was Roger’s son Clint and Patricia Patterson. Clint explained the entire thing the only hope is that it was fake AI but I don’t see anyone questioning that on the News report in the link I posted above. Tune in Thursday after we watch it to go over the content.

Kind of like Meldrum’s “confession”??? Give me a break.

From the grave? Patterson passed away in 1972.

Patterson confession on film.

If it’s real? Do you get to keep your arms? 🤣

I volunteer to perform a blindfolded feel test on any purported Patty "suit" and live female test subject.

In what way, shape, or form?

Published in The Pacific Bee of Sacramento, California on October 11, 1879, but it appears to have been a reprint from the Philadelphia Times.

More from the Sun-Journal of Lewiston, Maine; I'm beginning to wonder if this paper was the National Enquirer of its day. The three stories are from July 25, July 31, and August 7, 1896, respectively.