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Thanks for the explanation. I cannot agree with suspected hoaxer. Have you seen his Muppet videos? Quite laughable. Perhaps he did have legitimate sightings. Once fraud is more than suspected and it is certainly obvious. Then the logical conclusion is to disregard his credibility. Not the case with the Patterson film. One time success. Never had any fraudulent follow up. Therefore we can conclude the film subject is of possibly a real creature.

I generally agree with you re: Todd Standing. I think he got a couple of genuine videos (the Sasquatch running up the side of that insanely steep cliff) and POSSIBLY the one with the obscured black forehead, but then he fell into the trap of having to top his successes with "better successes" and his subsequent alleged evidence is suspect. BUT...I allow for the possibility, if not the probability that all his stuff is genuine, but like Ivan Marx and Rick Dyer who are proven hoaxers, Standing is on my list of "suspected hoaxers". Though I DO think that Dr Meldrum and Dr Bindernagel to BOTH be fooled is probably a stretch, so I believe them if not Standing.

I often wonder why some people are interested in Sasquatch/Bigfoot. Personally, I had no interest in the subject, or any cryptid subject past seeing "In Search Of" when I was in grade school, or "the Legend Of Boggy Creek" when it played as the second feature at a drive in when I was in high school, and to me it was nothing more than a low budget "Mockumentary". I played baseball, threw the discus and shot in track, and had a full class load and none of it was on my radar. I hunted, fished, and did all the outdoor activities we could do in Michigan. I was born in Arizona, but went to high school in Michigan and lived with my maternal grandparents and even the idea that Sas/BF would even BE in Michigan, let alone Arizona was nonsense to me. I came back to Arizona, literally the day after I graduated from high school and worked once again for my paternal grandfather on the family ranch and at his Chevron station while I got ready for college at University of Arizona in Tucson. This was 1985. College went by, and I went year round and graduated in three years. I went to work as a police officer and used my vacation time every year to go to Michigan to deer hunt with my maternal grandfather. On November 13th, 1993 I had a face-to-face encounter. In one second, I went from 0 to 100 in the "not interested to knowing they exist" scale. I only ever talked about it with my grandfather because back then my job or anyone associated with it would have thought I was nuts. Even if they would have believed that I BELIEVED I had an encounter, they would have given me a rubber gun and a plastic badge and stuck me in the evidence room. So, I kept quiet about it for YEARS and packed it DEEP down in a box in my mind and never thought about it. But, my relationship with the outdoors had changed. I still fished, but I didn't hunt in Michigan anymore, I only hunted in Arizona and then only in the desert. Any time I went to the mountains in northern Arizona and was out of Prescott, Flagstaff, or Show Low...I was uneasy. I wasn't even uneasy about Sas/BF...I was just finding myself looking behind every tree like I was working a felony warrant, or clearing a building on an active alarm call. Then all the internet sites and documentaries and all the information became available on the internet and I started following the work of Dr Krantz, Dr Meldrum, Dr Sarmiento, John Green, John Bindernagel, Renee Dahinden, and Thomas Steenburg because they all appealed to my "Just the evidence" cop brain. I still didn't talk about it though. I sifted through a LOT of chaff and sensationalism and the "woo" and read all the books I could but STILL didn't talk to anyone about my encounter because I still thought people would think I had stepped out of my mind. It was getting bad though, I was starting to have nightmares and almost like a PTS over the encounter. I had been in lethal force incidents during my career and none of them affected me the way this had. Finally, I decided I needed to talk to someone so I talked to a counselor who specialized in PTS who was independent of the department. I hadn't retired yet, so I was still keeping my piehole shut to anyone else. I did the counseling, went back to Michigan where the encounter happened to face "my own ****", finished law school while I was recovering from a line of duty injury before I retired, and once I retired felt like I had put it behind me. But still....I didn't talk to anyone about it outside of the counselor I had seen. It was like..."Okay, dealt with". Then I heard Kerry Arnold on a podcast talking about his own encounter and it was like he was telling my own story. The time and place were different, but from an intellectual and emotional perspective...it was almost like a catharsis for me. The whole phenomena was still generally full of recondite information and speculation and the two ends of the spectrum from the "strictly zoological to the woo" seemed to be having continual clashes over who owned Sasquatch. Still, I kept my mouth shut until I finally had a talk with Kerry and he and I spent about four hours on the phone and he and I "trauma bonded" over our experiences, but I STILL didn't want to talk about it outside a very, very, very small group. He hadn't started his own podcast yet and I was retired from the department but was working at a law firm so STILL didn't want to come out of the woods in a public forum. Kerry encouraged me to put it on paper, so I did and eventually shared it and felt a weight come off my shoulders even though I took a bit of troll heat and then of course was contacted by some people who I thought were more than a little nutty telling me how they were "raising a bigfoot infant" and all sorts of other things that my mind as an "open minded skeptic" without corroborative evidence found hard to....buy into. But what I did do was start going to places like OR, WA, NorCal, ID, etc where high clusters of sightings had occurred and started hanging out camping with my dogs and just being something to MAYBE attract some curiosity. I couldn't do a lot of roaming because I have two artificial knees and an artificial hip due to my former career, so being a field researcher was out and hauling my horse across country was impractical. So, I don't consider myself a researcher, just a curious KNOWER who is at the point where I don't care if anyone believes me, what happened happened, and I don't even care if the "world at large" ever believes or if a specimen is ever taken to "prove" it to mainstream science or to force "da gub'ment" and "big timber and tourism money" to admit it. So, that's why I care, or I am interested in new credible evidence...for my own satisfaction and my own continued learning. Sorry about the long post, you can wake up now and flame away if you want to...but I'm curious....why are YOU interested?

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I missed this as it wasn’t replied to me. I just want you to know that while we may disagree sometimes? You’re a valued member here and I am sorry to hear your thinking of walking away. There is absolutely no ill feelings on my end bud! I hope you stay. 👍 Dear Lord! Absolutely not! 🤢🤮

Sasquatch? Or wild man? What's the difference? "Embellished stories"?

So I'll ask again: So "wild man" reports can be semi-feral Homo sapiens even in sasquatch range? I might be able to produce a pic of a naked professor. Do you give me permission to post it here?

Correct. But DNA from the remains of a creature that was believed to be an almas, and which also fit the description of an almas, was analyzed in not one, but two peer reviewed scientific studies, and it was determined in both that she was a homo sapien. So we know with a very high degree of certainty (and certainly scientifically) that the 6'6" tall female "almas" known as Zana of Abkhazia was a homo sapien with a case of hypertrychosis. I'm not sure what you're referring to. In the case of Zana, again, not one, but two peer reviewed analyses of her DNA were performed. The question of her species, however the odds, was homo sapien, even though she fit the description of an almas perfectly. That is a solid scientific determination. Moreover, I can continue to pull up articles of "wild men" in the New World that are described like feral humans. There are lots of them. Prepare thyself......... Fact: Feral people have existed throughout the history of mankind. Fact: "Wild man" can describe a feral human just as well (if not better) than it can describe a sasquatch.........whatever that is. Opinion: Reports of sasquatches (or almas) might actually be sightings of feral people.............or vice versa.............just like people can misidentify a bear for a sasquatch..........or vice versa.

Did you read the article you linked? Yes. A naked professor running around in the Sierras in the 1930s, is still a homo sapien.🤷🏻‍♂️ Show me a picture.

The people of Tkhina believed she was an almas because she fit the description of an almas quite perfectly. Who are you to proclaim them incorrect? Let us review the definition of an almas yet again: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almas_(folklore) How does the description not fit that? Are you now going to accuse the villagers of "embellishing" again?

So "wild man" reports can be semi-feral Homo sapiens even in sasquatch range? Your winning answer hasn't arrived yet. Let's see if your limb can continue to hold you...........

We do not know. We can't prove or disprove anything. We don't have a confirmed Alma to test any more than we have a confirmed Bigfoot to test. We need to get away from this weird human quirk of preferring an unsupportable answer over an unanswered question. We can't have science when our personal dogma is stopping us from looking at answers. We need to be careful about investing ego in answers we really can't back up with facts. This aspect of the BF community, here and elsewhere, is wearing me out and truly tempting me to walk away.

I don’t know what an Almas is or is not. But either way it’s not connected to Zana. Who we know was a Homo Sapien. I will give the villagers the benefit of the doubt and say misidentification.

I am gonna go out on a limb….and say that it was a nutty professor. What did I win?

In this case, reports of a wildman are in prime sasquatch territory, not prime Neanderthal/Denisovan range. Was it a sasquatch, a feral homo sapien, another species of primate, or was it a government coverup?

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So are almas a false myth, another primate species, feral humans, or yet another human species?

There is no conflict! Zana was NEVER a SASQUATCH. We have no photo of Zana. We have embellished tales of Zana that you have somehow folded into the mystery of Sasquatch in North America. Apples and oranges a whole Pacific Ocean away. Zana was a plain old Homo Sapien that was dealt a dirty hand in life.

Correct! She was also an almas. She can be both. I believe MIB posted it in a way that illustrates it better: We have a conflict between biology and anthropology. That problem must ge dealt with later by the anthropologists. The biologists will determine this, just as they did with Zana.

Its because she was a feral Homo Sapien. The wolf boy of India was also a Homo Sapien. We have been over this many times. Khwit is a Homo Sapien. We have his picture.

Funny. I never mentioned rockets or nuclear weapons. Just a 1.8 million year old hand axe. Typical Homo genus behavior right? You want your cake and eat it too. It’s a Homo sapien all the way until it isn't. Yes this thread is about DNA. DNA we DO NOT have. So speculate away with all the red herrings you want!🤷🏻‍♂️

Hello Hunster and I'm glad that you had an experience in the mountains of California in 1972. Have you written up your experience so four members can read it? Out of curiosity can you tell me what happened in the Sierra Nevada mountains?

Fell for this one hook, line, and sinker. Stunning that people were doing this before Bigfoot was even a thing. Published in The Alexandria (NE) News on May 08, 1880. For shame. (See Tirademan's Archive for the story from Colorado that likely is referred to herein.)