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The most objective timecard HAS TO BE the shadows. The sun is the sun each day every Oct 20th. If he can match the lay of the land and tree shadows accurately to his model, then we know the time give or take. If it is 3 pm then it is. The Q comes down to how much they could accomplish with a 3 pm encounter vs a 1:30 pm encounter. Finally, it comes down to how accurately the estimate of Lazy Cowboy is. If his model is right AND if his model can measure the shadow length accurately then it must be pretty close.

https://youtu.be/LlRatn60rVo This is a real eye opener!

Gimlin stated in a "Coast to Coast" interview a few years back, that they were planning to "go in" about 35 or 40 miles that day and stay overnight. Seems like a bit of a late start if they didn't leave till sometime after lunch and (according to Gimlin) it starts getting dark around 4 there.

Greg Long includes a copy of the arrest warrant at page 168 of The Making of Bigfoot and former Forums member Tirademan (RIP) found an article concerning the charge against Roger Patterson, which has been posted twice in this section. The Date of Patterson's arrest is taken from the return section on the warrant in Greg Long's book. I'll note here that Greg Long received this document from Washington's State Archives section.

Greg Long includes a copy of the arrest warrant at page 168 of The Making of Bigfoot and former Forums member Tirademan (RIP) found an article concerning the charge against Roger Patterson.

Greg Long includes a copy of the arrest warrant at page 168 of The Making of Bigfoot and former Forums member Tirademan (RIP) found an article concerning the charge against Roger Patterson.

Published in the Latrobe (PA) Bulletin on August 20, 1973; Stan Gordan is a well-known Pennsylvania researcher.

This legal notification that DeAtley, Patterson, and Gimlin had formed a fictitious firm, where each was a co-partner, was published in The Eureka Times Standard of on December 4, 1967. If I find a better copy, I'll replace this one. The business - Bigfoot Enterprises - was formed in Los Angeles County, California on November 9 (possibly November 7), 1967. It appears that the lawyer who did the paperwork was Walter Ernest Hurst, a Hollywood attorney and publisher of more than two dozen reference books on arts and entertainment law. He was a specialist in copyright and trade book (trademark?) law according to his 1991 obituary in the Los Angeles Times.

The Evening Mail of Halifax, Nova Scotia seems to have a corner on all the wild men stories; they published this one on July 31, 1896. Who among us hasn't fallen in a pond, stripped naked, and then wandered about the woods for a bit while our clothes dried?

Unfortunately, Bob Gimlin is an unreliable witness (which does not mean I think he's lying). With regards to this issue, he has said that the film site was: two miles from the campsite - see Webster's interview of Roger & Bob in 1967 four miles from the campsite - see John Green's interview of Bob in 1992 and a CBS47 2019 interview of Bob Roger Patterson gave both those estimates and added 3 miles in an interview by Stan Peters Interview of Roger Patterson As to the time they left camp, Bob has said: midday (which could be 1:30 during the summer, I suppose, but not in October) - see Robert Morgan's interview of Bob "right after lunch" (which could be anywhere from 11:00 AM if they were up early to 1:00ish) - Les Stroud's interview with Bob and this 1:30 time, which I believe came from a CBS47 2019 interview of Bob - If I understand correctly, The Lazy Cowboy is using other people's interviews, not his own. And leaving camp about 1:30 contradicts times Bob Gimlin has given for the encounter itself, which include: “about midday, perhaps a little bit after noon time” - again from John Green's interview of Bob in 1992 "Early afternoon" - attributed to John Green's questionnaire in Bigfoot at Bluff Creek by Danny (Daniel) Perez (2003) about 2:00 PM - Finding Bigfoot Legend (2018) All of this because early interviewers asked both Roger and Bob to tell them a story, but did not conduct the kind of interview necessary to determine as precisely as possible the facts. Also, I don't believe that The Lazy Cowboy (or anyone else) cherry-picked a certain interview because it better fits a narrative; instead, it seems a lot of of people are unfamiliar with (or unwilling to admit) the inconsistencies surrounding the P-G film.

Interesting @8:25 in the video Lazy Cowboy indicated the shadows indicate a 3pm PGF event filming time. He doesn't base this just on the shadows but Gimlin stating, @ 8:40 "We left camp about 1:30 in the afternoon" That camp was about 4 miles away putting then in the PGF film site at about 3pm.

For those tech people out there, here is an interview and discussion with Lazy Cowboy on how he made these videos and what he based it on. Maybe not for everyone but for tech people it is long but impressive.

And HERE is part 1:

I believe Tirademan published this in his original thread; this story is from The Sioux City (IA) Journal on June 22, 1884.

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Published in the Manchester Courier and Lancashire General Advertiser on December 27, 1862. Tirademan's description of, and comments on, the book are on page 46 of the archived thread (see pinned post for link to that thread). The entire book is available from Project Gutenberg, the free online library, at https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/24617. SPOILER ALERT - Don't read further if you don't want to know the outcome ....

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Published in the Sedalia (MO) Weekly Democrat on May 10, 1963.

Michigan 1902 as reported in The Yakima Herald on February 18, 1902. Sadly, this sounds like a human with mental health issues who probably died in the woods.

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Published in the Shawnee (OK) News-Star on August 21, 1921. Apparently, Oklahoma also has a town or city named Miami.

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Bobbie Short (RIP) posted articles about Old Yellow Top she received from John Green on Bigfoot Encounters at http://www.bigfootencounters.com/creatures/yellow_top.htm. Old Yellow Top is mentioned in a several places in the Forums (see https://bigfootforums.com/search/?&q="Old Yellow Top"&page=1&quick=1&search_and_or=or&sortby=newest) and the Bigfoot Encounters page appears to have been copied and pasted into the Forums at https://bigfootforums.com/topic/56333-swamp-apes-or-escaped-monkeys/page/2/#comment-992267. Forum savant Redbone added an Old Yellow Top sighting in the BFRO sightings section at While I found the North Bay (Ontario) Nugget, which is the supposed source of these stories, on Newspapers.com, the only article about Old Yellow Top I could find was published on January 03, 2011 and sought "ghost stories." None of the other newspaper clippings appeared, even when a variety of keywords were searched. The best explanation seems to be that these stories were in a local section not preserved at this time.