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Science demands a body(s) to be sure. And it would seem government is doing everything in its power to stop that from ever happening. They probably are hoping it will quietly go extinct. Problem solved.

I have always hoped so. But 50 some odd years past the PGF and we are still in purgatory.

If I have misconstrued your position? My apologies. And I have taken none of this personal. Step back or debate some more. It’s all good.👍

Or said sasquatch cause bodily harm to John Wick's puppy. Things you don't want to do, like spitting in the wind.......

Try as I might, most of this is not at all what I said. If there was even a time for me to step back from a thread for a while this is that time.

Many wild men and wild women stories are just as clearly human as stories about 8-feet tall, hair covered calf-killers are clearly Bigfoot or Sasquatch (or entirely made up, we'll never know). I'm going to put some of the more dramatic or humorous or in some cases wholly disheartening stories here. While it may seem counter-intuitive to include such stories in this thread, there are at least two cases where published books found only half of a story and reported an incident clearly involving a human as if Bigfoot was involved.

What are the odds of some Soldier or Marine or Border Patrol or DEA agent, etc., seeing one? Probably very high. But even reported, it likely stops at the first level chain-of-command because its not relevant to each agency's specific statutory missions (national defense, border security, or stopping illegal drug activity) and, as noted in another thread, even if reported to the correct agency (National Fish and Wildlife?), still not sufficient to establish that a species exists. Even if the witness was the offspring of George Washington and Mother Theresa and genetically could not tell a lie, and was hit with truth serum, and passed multiple polygraph exams, its just not enough. Sadly, unless and until John McClane tosses the dead body of a Bigfoot out of a window at Nakatomi Plaza onto a police car below, efforts to prove existence will be futile.

I'm afraid I have to agree as well .. mostly. I do believe that clear, up close, digital footage might be useful in that if we are to deliberately seek a carcass successfully, rather than wait on random chance, then it is going to take resources. While photos / video will not prove existence, they might convince donors or even academics that there is something worth their resources to study / collect. In the way of an analogy, your car engine doesn't directly turn the tires to make you move ... good video / photos MIGHT prove to be the transmission or drive shaft that connect the pieces that otherwise won't connect.

^^ Agree with this sentiment 100% - they had bodies of spotted owls, thus declared them a species. They had bodies of whatever smelt or fish that they used to shut down most of the water in California, thus they could declare them a species. No amount of casts, videos, or testimony will cause science or the government to recognize this species, not because those things are inherently worthless, but they are insufficient to support a scientific conclusion.

I don't believe that. Norse is 100% correct: It has to be a carcass, and delivered........to somebody........ Photographic evidence is as worthless as testimony. If the Patterson film, complete with casted footprint evidence, site visits by several independent parties afterwards, and in a location with a 12 year history of footprints (that exact size and shape) and sightings isn't enough to get government or Science to invest a hoot, forget photography.

Published in the Ventura County (CA) Star on November 3, 1967. As this was an Associated Press story, it's likely found in some other newspapers as well.

You didn’t bring up UFOs, but you also didn’t grasp why I brought up UFOs, or you did and chose to misrepresent my position.🤷‍♂️ My position and comparison. If UFOs are real? (Which they are, the pre Sputnik observatory plates prove this) There is a zero percent chance the government hasn’t detected them. Which logically also applies to a 800 lbs primate walking across international borders, bombing ranges, national parks, etc. 37 trillion dollars buys a lot of hardware. So if what I say is true? Then how is the government not lying? And I also disagree that cell phones are gonna crack anything. It’s just another crummy blurry video to add to the heap. And the local Forest Ranger will laugh about it and call it a man in a Gorilla suit. It’s the same tactic as calling a UFO “swamp gas”. You ask why the government lies. This seems to be the lynchpin to your belief. You cannot fathom why the government would lie about some unknown creature. Well I would first state that Bigfoot is the all time hide and seek champion. So something is obviously different about this creature vs a mountain gorilla or a bear or even a cougar. Huntster brings up that it’s probably human. I don’t know if this is true or not from a scientific point of view. But it certainly looks more like us than any great ape. This may very well be a can of worms the government doesn’t want opened especially with its historical relationship to native Americans. My .02 cents? The government never admits it doesn’t have control. So they are never gonna say that they cannot control their own airspace, anymore than they are gonna admit that they cannot control their own parks. They would rather badger witnesses and continue a false narrative while putting the general public at risk. Anyone reading this? I would advise people to look at other subjects that deal with the federal government. You will start connecting the dots. Unfortunately…. I know it’s a tough pill to swallow.

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I thought I would mention I wasn't the one who brought up UFO's Back to lying: There is no doubt people and organizations lie for a whole variety of reasons. You mention Whistleblowers. Since Whistleblower are also people, sometimes Whistleblowers are liars as well. They are not immune to lying. Bigfoot is the issue. Lying about Bigfoot would assume the person/ organization doing the lying is 1) aware of some truth about bigfoot and 2) actively chooses to misrepresent the truth. Could be. Just because I don't believe that doesn't mean I close the door to the possibly. If Bigfoot IS being kept quiet by the government, I'm betting it is just a matter of time before the cell phone blows the cover of any cover-up. Things happen too fast in real time now. Unlike the old days no one has to get the camera. They always have a camera, video, social media, and telephone with them at all times. Imagine some scenario where bigfoot is hit by someone's truck. It's everywhere on social media before the sheriff arrives.

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Thanks for the accurate comment Norseman and MIB. Read below some facts about America's declining timber industry and what Trump is doing to get rid of many timber production regulations by signing executive order 14225. If bigfoot is ever labeled as an endangered species will it shut down logging. Bigfoot probably likes logging because bigfoot eats deer feeding in clear cuts where brush and berries flourish in sunlight. "Mar 15, 2025 · The U.S. imports roughly 25% to 30% of the lumber it consumes each year. Up to 90% comes from Canada." google "We rely on lumber from Canada because the U.S. cannot supply enough softwood to meet its own demand, and Canada is one of the largest softwood producers in the world. While it might be possible to switch to importing more lumber from other countries, none has Canada’s large production capacity." google Is the timber industry over regulated? Executive Order 14225—Immediate Expansion of American Timber Production | The American Presidency Project "Sec. 3. Streamlined Permitting. All relevant agencies shall eliminate, to the maximum extent permissible by law, all undue delays within their respective permitting processes related to timber production. Additionally, all relevant agencies shall take all necessary and appropriate steps consistent with applicable law to suspend, revise, or rescind all existing regulations, orders, guidance documents, policies, settlements, consent orders, and other agency actions that impose an undue burden on timber production." executive order Does this mean the endangered species act will be watered down?

People should heed this .. you speak the truth. The mills here that relied on timber harvest from USFS lands are gone. We had over 20 in the Rogue Valley that were the backbone of the local economy (along with orchards). None of those remain. The only mills I still see open rely on harvest from private timberlands and a small bit of BLM which is part of the old O&C Railroad land thus managed as private. Those mills are not here, they're on the other side of the Cascades in Klamath County. SW Oregon has taken an economic beating. MIB

Published Monday, January 17, 1972, in the Tri-City Herald, Pasco (WA).

^^ Funny, I think aliens traveling near earth (if they exist) see us as the microbes in the petri dish.

^^^ Various levels of concern for various forms of life: No concern Hardly any concern Concern and sympathy High level of concern and sympathy Very high level of concern. "Hey that better be safe and that better not hurt!" Maybe the one thing that might save Bigfoot from extinction is the fact it looks like us and not a snake.

Published in the Hazleton (PA) Sentinel on November 23, 1883. Hard one to read regardless of whether this was a Bigfoot or a human.

I thought of it in the same way for decades, even though the Aboriginal American description of sasquatches has always been that of being "people" of a different race. I turned when considering the repeated phenomenon of DNA samples coming back "human", and the Sierra Sounds being a "language". It also fits the current theories of multi-human species of the relatively recent past with Neanderthals, Denisovans, and Hobbits. It all fits. And when I turned from manlike-ape to apelike-man, there was no turning back.