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And if their lips don't move? They aren't lying. But that doesn't mean there's nothing to talk about............

What magnitude? This is silly. As a hiker do I care more if I am being abducted by aliens? Do I care more if I am being irradiated by my own government? Or do I care more if I had my arms ripped off and beaten to death by Bigfoot? I would be willing to bet that all three scenarios are very unappealing to the average human. The common thread with all three scenarios is that my government did not warn me of the danger! They knew better and said nothing. And it’s a FACT they keep secrets at the expense of people’s lives and health. So you can play some mental gymnastics as to where this “magnitude” comes into play concerning the Feds. Thats fine. I on the other hand have a different approach…. If their lips are moving? It’s a lie.

I think you hit on it! I see the magnitude of the issue as the determining factor for keeping secrets. We just disagree on the magnitude. For reasons of your own, you see the magnitude of Bigfoot at a level equal or greater than UFO's or Military Secrets. I see 2 of those issues reach that level but not the other. Thats all it is. Continued Respect.

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I do not disagree with that, and indeed agree wholeheartedly. But that does not discredit the fact that government discourages discovery. First of all, Mr. Laverty's activities with sasquatchery ended when he moved on from the Six Rivers timber sales and his work there as a timber cruiser supervisor ended. There is no record of him chasing sasquatches for the rest of his life. There is no record of him making vociferous claims that there are sasquatches behind every tree there, and that his supervisors threatened him with the pillory if he talked. If he did so, please cite the evidence. He just moved on. His interviews were the result of people seeking him out, not the other way around. Thus, the USFS had no need to kill Mr. Laverty and dispose of his body in a block of cement off the coast of Crescent City, or whatever they do in deep, dark conspiracy thriller movies. All the USFS needs to do is shut up..............which is precisely what they did then, and that silence has continued to this very day. There hasn't been an official peep. Everybody on Earth has chipped two cents into the Patterson film.............except any agency of the United States government or the government of the State of California. Again, if that statement is incorrect, please cite evidence to the contrary. Mr. Laverty continued on with both the USFS and then the Colorado State Parks until appointed to a senior position with the DOI by President Bush..............who probably couldn't care less about the issue because it isn't an issue. That's because the government is doing its job, and doing it perfectly, including Mr. Laverty. Indeed, one reason why he has advanced as he had is because he can clearly determine wisely when to talk, when not to, and how to do so when he does. Yes, Dr. Meldrum has conducted himself very well, and has become the best and most qualified face of sasquatchery. Kudos to him! But I still don't see the need for the Men in Black to encase him in concrete for a trip to the coast in order to discourage discovery. All they need to do is continue keeping quiet. The pro-Bigfoot shows on TV are broadcast just like the Little Green Men shows are and for the same reason: $$$$$$$$$$$

The most simple explanation is that if they have the ability to squash A and B then why not C? How are you making the determination that the government would cover up this but not that? https://thebulletin.org/premium/2023-07/collateral-damage-american-civilian-survivors-of-the-1945-trinity-test/ If they can lie to a girl scout camp about radioactive fallout? They will lie to you and me and anyone else who gets too close to the truth. 🤷🏻‍♂️

I have to disagree with you on this. Lyle Laverty is an essential ancillary witness to the Bigfoot world. He is not a promoter but clearly is a key witness to those who believe the PGF is a real event. The fact he is not a Bigfoot Zealot increases his credibility. If this all powerful government really needed to keep this bigfoot thing quiet it would quickly involve Lyle Laverty in the cover-up. It would not promote him. He would be pressured to outright lie about what he found that day. You have suggested this government diminishes all these people. Here is Lyle Laverty getting a promotion. How? Somehow Jeff Meldrum gets more and more coverage and more and more respect. That government keeps slipping up. Why haven't they threatened him or paid him off to keep him quiet or make him one of their useful puppets? How are TV shows which can be pro-Biogfoot even on TV? Which one seems to be the kind of issue the Government would try to keep quiet? A: B: C: Answer: A and B not C

Glad to see the BFforum back, was getting worried.....will start posting some back logged photos, here are some interesting impressions, from small to large.

Reported in the Sunday Oregonian on August 20, 1933. I also found this story, but have lost information on its provenance.

No, you don't. No squads of Men in Black with magic wands are needed. Really. Because he pretty much kept his mouth shut for decades (smart guy), and even now in interviews admits to living the long Bigfoot era there, responding to the rumored encounter, and photographing the prints, but doesn't speak with fervent belief, saying he can't understand how a pair of cowboys got the goods since he'd been there for years and came up with only nest finds and a single sighting (yeah...........go ahead, find that info)............. Vipers. And Homo sapiens. I'm not sure which is worse, but in many cases, the only way to tell them apart is that vipers don't have legs. But both appear to have forked tongues.............. Correct. Immediately after the morons of the planet are convinced (apparently, through coercion) that Sasquatches exist, they will want to *kill/harass/"study"/follow/copulate with/live with/etc* them. All you need to do to keep them at bay is to chuckle when the subject comes up, crack a joke, maintain a facial appearance of superior intelligence, and suggest to the moron that they need a new Tesla due to the deteriorating environment, and off they go focused on e more important fact of life.

We are back to UFO's. Unless Bigfoot IS A UFO I don't see the parallels. I don't discount the concept of what you are saying. That is, I will more than agree our government- to the extent that it can- would take action to cover up/ protect issue of national security. Back to your Delta airlines thing, I will have to look that up. But assuming you are 100% accurate about that it reflects the issue of UFO's. UFO's. For your point to make sense, you would have to have regular reports of Forrest rangers, Police, and so on being told by a groupthink government to not report BIGFOOT sightings and encounters. It is bigfoot encounters which are at issue in this case. Lyle Laverty himself was put in for a high level job in our Government. Why wasn't he pressured to say the footprints were a hoax? Why did he still have a job? Why did he get promoted to high level job in government? Quiz: What are the most dangerous animals encountered in the forest? I have to think bears, mountain lions, or whatever pose risk to the hiking population out there. Based on the numbers the risk would be higher for bears than for the elusive bigfoot. Encounters seem to be a shy animal that runs away when encountered by most reports. Sure maybe hikers lost in the woods are eaten or killed by Bigfoot. It's possible. To me its more likely they died from getting lost in a hostile environment. Maybe, just maybe, it was more likely they got eaten by a bear. We trust Roger and Bob had a Bigfoot encounter at bluff creek. What did Patty do? She trotted off when confronted. If we had a bigfoot on a slab I do think it would create some good and some bad results. I will admit you would haver every Tom, ****, and Harry out there trying to shoot one. You would also have every previously skeptical scientist out there trying to film a Bigfoot. Hopefully they would apologize to Dr. Meldrum before they did.

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Forum members LeafTalker and Rockape both brought this story to the Forums' attention around 2017. LeafTalker previously posted this summary of unknown origin; I'm reposting it hear to improve accessability.

This has all been discussed before. 1) Government and science work hand in hand. I have already stated that the Smithsonian is above the law. We may already have a skeleton in our possession and the Smithsonian is under no obligation to produce it. They are exempt from the law that requires academia to give back tribal burial remains. You quoted guy’s point he was making that if they are some form of human then there may be reasons to not be transparent with the American people. It’s very telling that they make the Smithsonian exempt from federal law. At least we know where the bodies are kept. 2) Again you’re running under the false assumption that the government has no dog in the fight. The government is not transparent with all sorts of issues. From MK Ultra to UFOs to nuclear tests, etc….. Just pick a subject. We can all speculate as to why they may not be transparent with Bigfoot. But the bottom line is that with their surveillance capabilities within the last 50 years alone tells me they know what’s out there and yet it’s crickets. And when I talk about the government, I am not talking about Ranger Bob at the Park entrance. I am talking about the people at the top who set policy. The people who manage to get the Smithsonian exempt from Federal law. The real power brokers that can end someone’s career with a phone call. Who tells the FAA to tell Delta airlines to fire pilots trying to report close encounters with UFOs? And why? Why would you attempt to cover up a safety risk? Good question! Would a 800 lbs bipedal primate pose a safety risk in our nations hinterlands? Probably? And yet with all of the evidence produced? The U.S. Forest Service makes fun of the idea of Bigfoot! Why? Same. Same.

We again need to talk about two issues here: 1) What does it mean or how do we define what the Government knowing Bigfoot exists means? Until we have a body, people in government -and people who are not in government - are not going to step up and say Bigfoot exists. It makes sense as the issue is largely governed by science. Science is supposed to be determined by the scientific method being testable and requiting proof. Finally, the politics of those in Academia are likely to promote those who share their consensus and look down upon those who go against that consensus. This is why one of the skeptic scientists on Discovery Channel said of Dr. Jeff Meldrum, "He is brave" to study this issue. It would seem to me in today's world the default position is, "Bigfoot is unproven to exist" 2) Who is the government? Those who talk of the government seem to really be saying a government is some groupthink of people with some unified purpose to keep bigfoot quiet. That is, they have some proof of Bigfoot being real and the highest motivation to keep it quiet. I think that is part of government at different levels under various reasons. The issue really is this: Does Bigfoot's existence falls into that category/ level of concern. If it doesn't (and I don't think it does) then the government to me would just fall into a normal expected set point of "Bigfoot is not proven to exist"

This is similar to my experience. I don't know any USFS or state forestry personnel, but I do know or have spoken with numerous ADFG biologists or other personnel over the years about numerous issues. Those who have had professional exposure to the phenomenon know, but usually portray cautious curiosity, but other personnel scoff, so those who know don't talk........or talk "under the table". This is similar to the animosity between ADFG and more than one federal agency in Alaska about numerous issues. Those who must struggle with the opposing agency do so, and those who don't keep quiet about issues. This professional behavior mirrors what I experienced within DoD. You quickly learn what to openly discuss, and what to keep quiet about, even with non-classified information.

Reported in the Philadelphia (PA) Inquirer on August 4, 1907. I mistook the "3" in the dateline below at first for an "8."

I know a few state wildlife officials and forest service personnel, my take is some know ( those who have been a long time or need to know ) and some do not.

Published in The Lancaster (PA) Intelligencer on April 30, 1800.

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It’s at the very start of the video. He gives credit to flash of beauty. It’s an aerial FLIR video.

This story, published in The Evening Star, Dunedin, Otago, New Zealand on May 13, 1902, is a little less dismissive of the topic.

I think we have at least one, maybe more, members that have been left in the lurch on BF research teams due to the lack of pre-planning and strategic implementation of a purported detailed plan. So yah, this is serious in your face, risk your life stuff, not ready for TV necessarily at least not in the Expedition Bigfoot sense of the word.