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Okay. This gets interesting. I drove to and from work at Fort Carson everyday in the early 1990s and passed the Bigfoot statue that now adorns Green Mountain Falls and thought ... not a darn thing about Bigfoot. So I was searching for whatever Tirademan found and could not identify any local (Colorado) newspaper articles on the topic. However, I found the following TV Guide entry for March 1987. Which is relevant because the articles I did find about the Green Mountain Falls (CO) Bigfoot were all in Nebraska newspapers. These articles, like this November 2, 1988 article from the Omaha (NE) World-Herald were focused on Nebraska researchers traveling to Colorado to research the sightings which happened in March 1987. In 1989, researchers claim to have found hair left by Bigfoot which identified as primate; that story is from the Rapid City (SD) Journal's April 11, 1989 edition.

Here is Bill Munns explaining WHY Patty isn't a human in a suit. Including head dimensions. Morphology matters.

https://www.nps.gov/yose/learn/news/missing.htm

Well, I'm not sure what to think of that reference. "By Sharon A. Hill" If you click on her name, you get: https://sharonahill.com/author/sharona/ Her pic is a cartoon character.............like mine on this forum. That isn't an official anything. Frankly, I'm not sure what to think of Taxonomic Science. But it's clear that it isn't controlled by the U.S. government: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxonomy_(biology)

Modern problems with scientific naming: Example – Bigfoot By Sharon A. Hill | November 18, 2024 2 Comments "An article advanced-published on 14 November 2024 in the Journal of Mammalogy calls out the problem with poor naming practices of proposed new species in our internet age. One of the most famous examples of poor practice was that of Melba Ketchum, et al., who not only did a terrible job analyzing DNA from “Bigfoot” but also used a pop-up journal to give Bigfoot another useless name."

Depends. First, I think such requests should start with county sheriffs. These guys are elected by the citizenry directly. They are not as controlled by city governments, and more importantly, are the first responders in the more rural areas outside of the cities and towns. Secondly, such requests should continue with state fish and game agencies. These are the government biologists closest to the population, and are the primary wildlife management agencies. I wouldn't bother with federal wildlife or land management agencies. I don't believe they can be trusted to hand over any information. This would include the Army (Ft. Lewis). But I might be wrong..............

Time for someone to write the government and do a Freedom of Information Act request about Bigfoot. For those who see some major government involving in the issue, wouldn't a Freedom of Information Act request result in some level of information?

Another story about the Doerr Terrace hoaxer who impersonated a gorilla and broke up a community baseball game and picnic; the story was published in The Pittsburgh (PA) Press on August 27, 1920. Given that shots had been fired during the week-long gorilla scare, the government planned to use chlorine gas to smoke out the "gorilla," and that the ball players were armed with bats, this was probably a really stupid thing to do.

Or was the ape this man, arrested for vagrancy and charged with attacking two girls? This story occurred much closer in time to the events at Doerr Terrace; the article was published in The Pittsburgh (PA) Press on August 26, 1920.

Published in the Progress, Lewisburg (PA) Journal on October 29, 1920. Many newspaper articles about Doerr Terrace ape were published in Bigfoot in Pennsylvania by Timothy Renner. Notice that while a vagrant was arrested and blamed for the "ape," the constable declared that he found footprints of "an ape of no small dimensions." (Yes, I cannibalized a prior post; trying to keep around 200 clippings straight confuses the mind sometime.)

Norse, as you've stated, you believe that the government knows about Sasquatch. I agree with you. Given that fact, it stands to reason that they have already proved its existence with a body or two. Do you think this is a logical assumption?

^^ I agree with the "Don't even entertain the idea of killing one" at this point in your (Josh's) Bigfooting endeavors. It sounds like you might be way too fast to pull the trigger on what you think is a Yowie only to find that you've shot a person.

I dunno, she didn't stand with him during his darkest days, so she has shown her true colors. If someone abandons you in your time of need, they should be tossed to the curb. Marriage is supposed to be a commitment to your partner in good times and in bad. Especially in bad. Don't even entertain the idea of killing one. They are closer to human than you think and it would be akin to murder.

Well, I disagree that leaving one's wife because of a difference of opinion on some topic is a good idea; that type of advice should be sought from an accredited specialist in Australia. I agree that it would be useful to let others know the general nature of the scam that caught you so that others can benefit from your mistake. My two cents otherwise: 1) Every day there's some rash person who wakes up and thinks that they're going to be the one to solve the Bigfoot/Yowie question in one week where others have failed doing so over decades. I know; I see that idiot in the mirror every morning. Pull back from the emotional attachment some. 2) The best advice is from Cliff Barackman (whose podcast Bigfoot 'n Beyond includes some episodes focused on the Yowie). Go in the woods with family and friends and enjoy yourself. If you don't see a Bigfoot/Yowie, you've still had a good day. If you do, that's just the cherry on top of the sundae.

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if your wife doubts you, leave her. it won't get better until you do. tell us more about the bigfoot scam that cost you money. we need details so we can avoid it.

Thank you for a very detailed history of Gigantopithicus. If no one knows what G. Blacki looked like? How are you so convinced that it’s skull ended up on the Patty skeleton 3d print? And you’re telling me that if modern forensic sculptors had a good video of a G. Blacki they could not recreate the skeleton? I know they could. That would be way easier and more accurate than recreating a whole animal based on a molar and jaw bone fragments. Cyclops? Are you suggesting modern forensic sculptors would make a cyclops out of an elephant skull? To my knowledge the cyclops myth comes from ancient peoples. Just as G. Blacki teeth were sold associated with dragons. Instead of a very large primate. I am not sure where you are going with any of this. It’s very obvious that Patty’s morphology is very different from a Homo Sapien. Dr. Jeff Meldrum’s project I think is an interesting one and something science does all the time. Calling it a “fake” does a disservice to him and to science. Science makes educated guesses based on available data. Velociraptors were the size of turkeys and feathered. No one knew this when Jurassic park came out. It’s ever evolving. But I am mystified by the fact that someone could look at Patty and say “that’s a human woman”! She looks nothing like a human woman. And morphology matters! It’s an expression of DNA after all. And if you diss on Dr. Jeff Meldrum because he created something that looks too “ape like” in your mind? Where are you getting the data it’s not? What are your credentials to say it’s wrong? Is this simply because of preconceived notions? Melba Ketchums DNA study? What the root cause here for such consternation? Thou protest too much.

Sorta' like finding a 40,000 year old splinter of finger bone in a cave and building a new human species. They do it all the time. Then they ignore the 800 lb two-legged critter running around in their back yards.

Things escalated quickly - the first article is from the Pittsburgh (PA) Gazette Times, published on August 24, 1920. Possibly as a result of that injury, the local authorities came up with a plan to use chlorine gas "of the kind used in battles during the world war" to smoke out the ape. What could possibly go wrong? The second article was published in the West Chester (PA) Daily Local News on August 24, 1920.

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hi, im josh, and i have some follow up from my previous post, (previous post copied here): "hi y'all my names josh, i have recently had an encounter with a sasquatch, i was on my commute home from work (i do work for a major oil company in aus), when suddenly i saw a silhouette of a large looking creature, it didnt look like a man. i was confused and exhausted from being out on the rig for the last week, but i made myself stop to check it out. keep in mind, up to this point i have never believed in anything superstitious, i dont believe in ghosts or aliens and i would consider myself a traditional rational man. But as i got out of my truck i looked off into the surrounding trees (off to the side of the highway) and i swear i saw a sasquatch, i cant explain it but it just stared at me with its yellow eyes. i went to snap a pic to show the lads, and it just runs off. i went home and told the misses and she didnt believe me, i tried with all my might to explain it to her and she just called me a whackjob and walked off. im been upset with her since, so i have a few questions for some experts (if their willing to help me out): - what are the possibilities that this creature was a sasquatch? - what can i say to the misses if she continues to doubt me? - is it worthwhile going back to the spot where i saw it? thanks in advance " since this happened i have spiraled a little, i lost my job on the rig, have lost a large amount of money in a bigfoot related scam (be careful on facebook) and the misses is staying with her mother for a while as i "get help", however i now believe that i am on the trail of a real sasquatch, i'll elaborate; i went back to the spot where i first saw the beast the day after my first encounter, while there i found no trace of the beast, however i have been reading up on austalian sasquatches and apparently, they only come out to surface in winter, i was wondering if this is true. also, me and the lads are heading out on sunday to hunt for the beast, was wondering if we actually found it, what the best way to go about it was (eg. stun it, trap it, kill it in the name of science or distract it while we catch a pic), really unsure about all of this and any clarification would be mightily appreciated. thanks once again, josh

No one knows what Gigantopithecus blacki looked like. G.H.R. von Koenigswald found several large teeth in a Hong Kong apothecary being sold as 'dragon bones'. Not exactly boots on dirt field work. Koenigswald did not do much with the dragon teeth. Currently the score is 2,000 fossilized teeth and 4 jawbones. No skulls, no fragments of skulls. Modern forensic sculptors do impressive work because they work off of skulls, partial skulls. No cranial fossils for Giganto means no visual image. Serious study has been done on teeth to determine food availability over time for the knuckle draggers. Serious fruit eater and then adapting to fibrous foods like bark and twigs. Odd that there is no fossil record for a large animal that roamed around China / SE Asia for 2 million years. Pesky porcupines really ate up those bones before the soil decomposed what remained. Modern researchers have put in about a decade of research on the teeth and jaw bones. It is believed that the closest living relative is the Bornean orangutan. Orangutan <--> Sasquatch is a no go. Combining bones from different animals is a bad idea. Anyone remember the giant cyclops heads? They were elephant skulls. next

Why would that be so? The feds have not been involved in the taxonomic classification of any other animal. I have asked for years who is the guy who decides. Nobody has an answer. I don't.

The United States Fish and Wildlife Service (USFWS) is the executive department responsible for protecting wildlife in the United States. It operates within the United States Department of the Interior and oversees the management of fish, wildlife, and natural habitats. I suppose the Fish and Wildlife Service would determine the genus and species name of Sasquatch. If they decided that Sasquatch was a Homo sapien then as Hunt stated it would cause all kinds of bureaucratic tangles and sasquatch would be protected like any human in the forest. It depends on the forest habitat so it's botanical needs would be considered first. The genus and species name of Sasquatch could be something like Homo sasquatch which may be close enough to a human which possibly would mess up human needs from forest land. Do you think the United States Fish and Wildlife Service is working on this problem as we discuss this issue? It would be wise of USFWS to work on this project because it's going to happen sometime soon so they should have their ducks in a row. I suppose the topic is too controversial, and they don't want touch it with a 10 foot pole. It would be wise to start working on definitions and legislation before a live sasquatch is brought in for identification. Smeja nearly brought in a dead Sasqiatcj. It seems like about 10 years ago or more, I read a report that a live sasquatch was brought into a University in California. The biology department had it in special quarters for it to live. For some reason or another the biologist we're not able to keep this Bigfoot and something paranormal happened where it got out. They had to give up on the project. Does anybody remember this happening?

Doerr Terrace was a new development laid out on the south side of Pittsburgh in 1902. In December 1919, a "wild man" had been terrorizing a remote section of southwestern Pennsylvania, a mere 40 miles away. By August of 1920 a large ape or gorilla had moved to Pittsburgh. The first article was published in the Pittsburgh (PA) Post on August 21, 1920. The article, about the posse that was formed, was published in the Pittsburgh (PA) Gazette Times on August 22, 1920. UPDATE: I forgot to mention that many of the stories concerning the Doerr Terrace ape were published in Bigfoot in Pennsylvania by Timothy Renner.