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^^^ To be clearer, I'm not suggesting she didn't exist. The historical record is too strong. I think we are misinterpreting the descriptions. Further, I think the descriptions were deliberately misleading .. a sick rationalization of systemic rape of a captive woman. I do not think she was nearly as "dumb" nor as hairy as we have been told. There's a difference between "more hair than normal" and "hairy as an ape." I have seen the darker side of human rationalization, of our ability / tendency to dehumanize others to try to make otherwise truly gross behavior somehow acceptable. This has that feel.

It's true that we have no photos other than of the son. I'd believe the stories of Zana's feats and description were Tall Tales, but there does seem to be direct eyewitness testimony (if I'm not mistaken) and she did of course have offspring. Tall Tales tend not to leave living genetic evidence. If Zana was truly just a mentally-handicapped descendant of former slaves found wandering in the woods, then why the need for a hugely exaggerated story? How did she survive until adulthood? Why the need to "capture" her? Where were the people she came from? Are there other stories of wandering tribes of former slaves being seen in the region? The questions are endless. I don't claim to know the answers, but I do believe it's a true mystery.

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Yes! The litany of abnormal physical traits were astonishing! It almost defies belief.

We lack photographs. We have pictures of her son. Based on those I think we have purposefully re-imagined what Zana looked like from the descriptions to fit an agenda rather than to fit truth.

I'm inclined to believe the same, but what puzzles me is that reports indicated that she had so many physical characteristics that perfectly adapted her to live out in the wild. She was hairy, seemingly impervious to the cold, very large, could swim, was fast, and agile. Also, she must have found ways to eat given that she seemed to be a healthy adult when "captured" (whatever that meant). Her morphological adaptations seem totally adapted for her apparent lifestyle. Her offspring didn't retain all of her physical advantages, but she bred with modern European-stock humans. Perhaps the various Father's genes were dominant in some way? It's a fascinating story.

After the Zana investigation moved through the DNA phase, I came to believe that she was abandoned by an African family (either still enslaved or post slavery) at some point after she was born hirstute, and she turned out like so many other children over the ages who grew up feral. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feral_child After reading about feral children, a lot that I already knew (as the husband and father of special education teachers) was more fully revealed to me. If a child is deprived of early development up to the age of 6 or 7, intellectual recovery is almost impossible. We aren't born intelligent. It is developed.

There's already an active thread / discussion on this video. "Deniseovans and Bigfoot"

I've never seen a cougar, but I have been lucky enough to see plenty of black bears. I think the difference is that cougars have been captured, killed, and taxonomically identified for centuries. Perhaps the government has also done the same with Sasquatch, but that's for another discussion. I understand of course where you're coming from. I guess this is the "universal debate" concerning Bigfoot. Is it some type of "people" (with human-like intelligence), some type of "animal" (like a giant bipedal chimp - smart but not too smart), or something "supernatural" (a Shaman or from a UFO or from another dimension, etc). For now we're all grasping at straws.

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Not getting heated at all! Just mirroring energy. Please do whatever you want to do! No ill will intended!

Agreed! Im fascinated at our propensity to simply just guess at this. It’s typical for humans to do that, it’s fun to discuss it. But with this thing, there are so many things that haven’t even been established.

Your getting heated so I will bow out of your thread. All I am saying is that if you ask any paleontologist about human evolution? Tool use is well refined by the time Denisovans show up on scene. Take care! 👍🏼

I've always believed that Zana may have belonged to a larger group of "people" who had lived "wild" long enough to have actually developed morphological differences from "civilized" humans. She may be a key to many mysteries like this.

That MY opinion is not scientifically valid is of course only YOUR opinion. Again, assumptions, assumptions, assumptions. Just because there was tool usage by earlier hominims that pre-date Denisovans, does NOT guarantee that all groups of Denisovans used tools. Brain size does NOT gaurantee tool usage. This is just the current herd-template that science gravitates to today. That could change tomorrow. Again, I'm NOT claiming that Denisovans did NOT use tools. IF Denisovans are the ancestors of Sasquatch, then it's possible that ONE group of Denisovans were isolated enough for long enough to develop other "wilder" survival strategies. The original reason for this may be something we can't even imagine and will never know.

He means in terms of species and morphology. If you dig up a Homo Erectus and then another. How do you tell which one was the more accomplished hunter or stone tools maker? With the artifacts that you find with their remains. If you do this enough? You build up a data base based on the bulk of the findings. Not the outliers. I believe it’s called a bell curve.

I prefer ice cream, thanks. And I will most definitely eat it, but will leave a few drops on the front of my shirt leave as a mystery sign for future scientists to concluded all kinds of theories regarding my occupations and tool use, and probably few of them will deduce that I was simply a slob. Their names are Adam and Eve, and they live in perfect harmony in the Garden.

If there are Sasquatch out there today (or feral people) that's the entire point. They leave no old campfires, no broken tools, no worn-out clothing, etc. They leave no sign that they even exist. That leaves other groups of human-types wondering "are they animals, are they people, or are they ghosts." It's the ultimate survival strategy. It takes something that's VERY smart to pull that off!

But you understand that your opinion is not scientifically valid? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldowan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acheulean https://archaeology.org/news/2015/05/07/150507-siberia-denisovan-bracelet/ Denisovans are rocket scientists compared to Oldowan technology. And they didn’t just interbreed with us but also Neanderthals.

We have a scientifically proven case of a feral human being identified as an Almas for over a century, and the widely accepted definition of "Almas" fits perfectly: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almas_(folklore) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9744565

Yes, but I would counter that with how many Cougar have you seen in your lifetime? I have spent a lifetime in the woods and have seen very few. Probably as many Cougar as some people have seen Bigfoot. And yet a Cougar isn’t as smart a Gorilla or a Chimp or a Orang. All three have been taught sign language. So how much intelligence do you need to be a forest Ninja? As far as the Mick Dodge types? Yah we have a legend here of “Wolf people”. Feral people that run around barefoot and howl like Wolves. This was told to me by a buddy that was a USAF survival instructor at Tacoma creek. I am not denying that Homo Sapiens can go feral. But even Mick Dodge sneaks into town for a burger now and again. He isn’t a new species. He hasn’t developed into Patty. A quick shave and a change of clothes and you can put him in an elevator with others. So how many generations of Mick Dodge do you need to create a Bigfoot? My guess is zero. Because ultimately they would die out. Here is another example. A chihuahua 20,000 years ago was a Timber Wolf. If you kicked a family of chihuahuas into the wilds of Siberia? How many generations would it take before they looked like Timber Wolves again? My guess is zero. Because they wouldn’t make it. Bigfoot most definitely is a human cousin. It’s bipedal. Females have breasts. It’s an omnivore. But that’s where the similarities end. Well that’s well past the Hominin range and could easily place it in the Hominid range. I mean we are slicing hairs here. A Chimp is 98% the same as a Homo Sapien. So we are haggling over 2%. Obviously a Bigfoot is more closely related to Homo Sapiens than a Chimp is. Unless some sort of convergent evolution is going on. But a Denisovan is a species of human so closely related to Homo Sapiens it interbred with us and had viable offspring with us. And that blood line continues to this day in certain human populations. I don’t believe that Bigfoot had that option. And there are plenty of Indian stories claiming they have tried. We are morphologically too far separated as two distinct species to make viable offspring. Which is bad news for the NFL. Bigfooters kinda want their cake and eat it too. The storyline of Bigfoot being this super intelligent forest shaman that has stuck its nose up at modern technology is a very popular point of view. I just don’t find it very realistic. Bigfoot doesn’t make stone tools the same way a Chimp doesn’t make stone tools. It lacks the cognitive ability and probably the fine grasping skills to flake a Clovis point. It can pick up rocks and smash them together or breaks nuts. But beyond that? It doesn’t think about it.

As a species, we have massive amounts of hubris. That's typically what gets us in trouble.

I don't buy Denisovan tool usage as a 100% established fact. I understand that it may be the current thinking, but it's based on some assumptions. Like I mentioned before, the sites that Denisovan "tools" have been found at were also occupied by Neanderthals and Homo Sapiens and science can't say with absolute certainty that Denisovans made those tools. Many scientists are very quick to assign tool usage to any newly-discovered "homo" species. Maybe too quick. I seem to recall reading an article in the recent past where one group of scientists discovered "tools" in a cave habituated by a hominid group (can't remember which one) only to have another group of scientists brand them "interesting looking rocks, but likely not tools." I'm not saying Denisovans didn't make tools, jewelry, etc. Perhaps some of them did (maybe those groups had contact with Neanderthals and/or Homo Sapiens?). Perhaps there were groups isolated from other Denisovan groups (and other hominids) who didn't. The fossil record is still too tiny to make too many assumptions.