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Thank you for your reply Firefighting is a noble career and I'm sure that you've made a lot of people's lives better and safer, but I don't see how that's relevant to this particular discussion. I should say, I'm from the UK and nothing in our fire service's experience would necessarily be relevant but I accept that your services are different so I may be wrong. You seem to accept that there wasn't a kidnapping ( I say "seem" because it looks like your paragraph may be a case of "even if you accept this is true, how do you explain this?" and I don't want to put words in your mouth or suggest you accept/concede something that you don't). That said, I disagree completely with your evaluation. You say 'you're telling me there is nothing strange about 1000s of people searching for a 5 year old boy that had a five minute head start and cannot find him?' but that's not what happened. He went missing at 4:30pm. His father and a few other people started searching for him within 3-5 minutes (the details are sketchy). They were searching in terrain that, outside the field and off the trail, which is the terrain he went missing, is reported as being dense forest ('so thick is the green growth of trees that a squirrel could go from Gatlinburg to Cherokee, N.C some 30 miles over the mountain, without ever having to touch ground' - The Tennessean 6.20.1969), ('[Dennis] became separated after plunging into the thick tangle of forest and underbrush, home of black bears, wild hogs, and snakes' - Kingsport Times 6.16.1969) He wasn't reported missing to the Rangers for 4 hours, at 8:28pm. Some few people (no reports I have found state a firm number) searched during the night, during which there was significant rainfall. The first actual, co-ordinated search started at 5am the next day. According to the NPS report, this consisted of somewhere between and 80 people (it's not clear whether 'leaders' were included in the count of searchers or were additional). In any event, some 12+ hours after he went missing, fewer than 100 people were looking for him (assume the higher number of 80 and add in family, who let's assume weren't counted as 'searchers' by the NPS). This is a million miles away from 1000s looking for him within 5 minutes. Assume he could move a conservative 1mph, over 12 hours, that would give a potential search area of 452m2. Slightly smaller than Los Angeles City limits, but covered in dense forest, rivers, caves and crevices. It would be a minor miracle if they did find him! The number of searchers for 6.16.1969 was approx 300, 6.17.1969 was 365 etc. The only day over 1,000 was 6.21.1969, a full week after his disappearance. As for the Green Berets - from the NPS report '[Ranger Mike] Myers also contacted U.S. Forest Service District Ranger on the Nantahala, who in turn made contact with Col. Kinney, commanding the Special Forces troops in that area. Col. Kinney requested and obtained permission from the Third Army Headquarters at Ft Benning, Georgia, to transfer 40 Special Forces to the search area. - 6.15.1969 I can't see anything suggesting that the Green Berets 'kept adding to their force.' They seem to have added 22 men on 6.18.1969, although I admit the seem to have had 71 by 6.25.1969 33 left the search on 6.25.1969 with the remaining 38 leaving the next day. It is mentioned in the NPS report and news papers that they were 'in the area' and familiar with the type of terrain in the area due to having been deployed in Vietnam. I understand that Green Berets don't get involved in SAR on a regular basis, but if they're available, and if this, as was obviously the case, caught the public imagination, why not? Are you willing to suggest why you think the Green Berets were involved? Absent another, better, theory, I don't see why the logical reason put forth shouldn't be accepted.

I don't "know" anything. I am open minded and have formed my opinion based on the account of thousands of others personal accounts.

I have experienced the woo traits of bigfoot. Can you explain what you know?

As a firefighter of 17 years? I can read this report and see a lot of weird stuff in it. https://www.nps.gov/aboutus/foia/upload/1969_GRSM_DennisMartin_dissapearance_REDACTED.pdf https://vault.fbi.gov/dennis-martin/Dennis Martin Part 01 (Final)/view The FBI never called it a kidnapping. There was no evidence for it. Meaning there was no evidence a adult human packed Dennis out of the park. So that means according to the FBI that Dennis was still lost in the park. So you’re telling me there is nothing strange about 1000s of people searching for a 5 year old boy that had a five minute head start and cannot find him? Also notice that the Green Berets kept adding to their force. This wasn’t just a group that happened to be in the area. And when do Green Berets do civilian SAR missions anyhow?

This looks like an AP or UPI story as I found this clipping in the Carroll County (MD) Times, published on April 14, 1982. The "Victim of Rooftop Murders" does not relate to this picture but I leave such snippets in because it demonstrates that newspapers were placing Wild Man/Bigfoot/Sasquatch stories with the other serious news stories. While searching the Forums for other stuff, I found one of Tirademan's original clippings. Surprisingly, Mullens not only claimed to have faked footprints, he claimed to have faked the Ape Canyon attack.

Published in the Carroll County (MD) Times on August 9, 1986, this article looks back to encounters around Sykesville, Maryland in 1973. Mark Opsanik, another early researcher on the east coast and whose name can be found in John Green's database, is mentioned.

Published in the Frederick (MD) News on December 11, 1901.

What happens when a Missouri man buys land in the foothills — only to discover he isn’t alone out there? In this chilling episode, we sit down with David, who shares a lifetime of encounters stretching from Delaware to Florida to the backwoods of St. Francois County, Missouri. From barefoot tracks in the snow outside his childhood home… to 18-inch prints at 12 Mile Creek… to a terrifying night in 2017 when a massive Sasquatch pressed against his shed, stole eggs, and left him frozen with fear — David recounts the moments that changed his life forever. You’ll hear about tree knocks, chest-shaking howls, infrasound growls, and the night he locked eyes with a towering 9-foot creature standing in the fork of an oak tree. More than just a sighting, this is a raw and violent firsthand account of what happens when the shadows of Missouri’s forests come alive. 🗣️ Share Your Story Had a Bigfoot encounter or strange experience? Send it to bigfootsociety@gmail.com – your story might be featured on the show! 🎥 Watch & Subscribe on YouTube 🔴 Subscribe here → Bigfoot Society YouTube 💬 Leave a comment & let us know your thoughts! 📞 Leave a voicemail with your story → Speakpipe (Use multiple voicemails if needed) 👥 Share this episode → Watch & Share 🎧 More episodes → Podcast Playlist 🌲 Recommended: New Jersey Bigfoot Encounters 💥 Support the Show & Get Perks ✅ Join the community on Patreon – Become a Member ✅ Listen ad-free & early on YouTube – Join Here 📱 Let’s Connect Instagram: @bigfootsocietyTwitter: @bigfoot_societyTikTok: @bigfoot.society🧰 Tools & Partners I Use (Affiliate Links) These help support the show at no extra cost to you: Beam (Better Sleep): Try BeamWildgrain (Better Bread): Join HereSeed (Probiotics): Get SeedMedi-Share (Healthcare): Learn MoreLMNT (Electrolytes) Free Sample Pack with your first purchase! : Get LMNTOrganic and non-GMO groceries delivered for less http://thrv.me/uarEhS🎙️ Podcasting Tools: Repurpose.io: Try ItDescript: Sign UpStreamyard: Start RecordingRiverside.fm: Try Riverside🎧 My Audio Interface: View on Amazon ☕ Buy Me a Coffee – Support Here 🛍️ Grab Some Merch – Shop on Etsy 📬 Mailing Address: Bigfoot Society 125 E 1st St. #233 Earlham, IA 50072 📧 Business Inquiries: bigfootsociety@gmail.com Listen to the Podcast

It wouldn't apply at all as long as you stick to the unclassified north american forest ape story. I don't believe that describes what we refer to as sasquatch. My view on the subject is considered "woo". Whatever! I don't need anyone to validate my point of view. Proof? Ain't got none! It's just what I believe. I also believe that taking ones life will neither prove existence or move the subject forward. Why? Because our leaders don't want us to know.

You make a good point. If the forest service employees are encouraged or ordered to report their sightings then those who oversee the forest service could begin to protect bigfoot from harm and keep logging at its present rate.

Paul Freeman, a Forest Service employee reported that he saw a bigfoot in the Umatilla National Forest, and he took a video of it. He also took many plaster casts. Bing Videos Jan 19, 2018 · Nearly three decades later, a U.S. Forest Service employee, Paul Freeman, recorded what he claims to be Bigfoot walking through the Umatilla Forest in Northeastern Oregon, …forest service biologist sees bigfoot - Search It's my logical opinion that there have been many more sightings by forest service employees but they are forced to keep quiet due to threats of job loss. The U.S. Forest Service has approximately 27,062 permanent, full-time employees as of September 2018, which includes biologists among other professionals. However, specific counts for the number of biologists within the Forest Service are not provided in the available Let's estimate how many forest service employees are working full time and who drive around the forest every day and all day as part of their job. There might be 10,000 employees driving the back roads of the forest. How many of them have reported seeing a bigfoot. The answer is one. Why only one? My assumption is there are probably many more sightings, but these bigfoot reports are not reported to the public since logging could be shut down because bigfoot would probably need its habitat protected. Bigfoot roams all parts of the national forest, and the forest service fears it might be classified as an endangered species. This is an unwarranted fear because in my opinion bigfoot survives perfectly fine with sustained yield clear cut logging. Can you answer why this is true?

But Paulides is (as far as I know and I’m trying to find his own words to make sure) the only source of anything weird What do you consider an “eye opener”? This case seems to be held up as the flagship m411 case but there’s nothing to it as far as I can see from my own investigation

As i’ve said on a parallel thread, unless the government or forest service have a body, they won’t acknowledge anything, and why would they? I wouldn’t expect them to go beyond science and no doubt it suits them not to.

As calculated by the U.S. Naval Observatory's Astronomical Applications Department. For those unfamiliar with "civil twilight," this is the time where there's usable sunlight, which begins before the sun actually rises and ends after the sun actually sets. UPDATE at 4:12 PM: I went back and had the computer recalculate using the lat/long for the encounter site rather than for Eureka, which was the closest location that was available. Additionally, after confirming on the Time and Date website that Daylight Saving Time was not in effect on 20 October 1967, I looked and found a box to check that I had not noticed when I first ran the data. Therefore this calculation does not include the switch to Daylight Saving Time.

Bigfoot Cancels Oregon Appearances, Explains “Can’t Afford to Be Spotted Here Anymore” That Oregon LifeView the full article

Tirademan found a book by this name, but I have no idea if this is the same one. Published in the Belleville (IL) News-Democrat on December 08, 1970, this is one of the latest articles or advertisements I found. A Minnesota TV station aired the drama Wiley and the Hairy Man in 1948 and a 1949 article from Michigan tells how a sculptor was inspired by a book of the same title about "an Alabama boy and his mother who outwitted the devil on three occasions." In 1953, a Wisconsin high school student won a forensic contest for his "humorous declamation" of the same name.

Published in the Troy (OH) Times on September 30, 1831. As a bonus, I found one of the earliest written stories concerning social security fraud.

Published in the Flint (MI) Journal on August 19, 1965. The town of Monroe, Michigan, apparently decided to make the best out of the influx of monster hunters who came to town hunting the nuclear power plant Bigfoot. Apparently, the folks in Monroe took this idea from the folks in Sister Lake, who sold monsterburgers in 1964. Based on Google Map driving directions, the two communities are almost three hours apart, so this does not appear to be one story that got recycled in a town year after year.

The secret legend linking Bigfoot to the Bible's first murderer Daily MailView the full article

From the Clobo Archives comes another "classic" episode! In September of 2023, Cliff and Bobo spoke with John Andrews, a researcher with decades of experience in the field of sasquatchery! John details some of the evidence he's collected, his ongoing research, and his work with luminaries like Wes Summerlin and Bob Titmus! Start your free online visit with Hims today at http://hims.com/beyond Sign up for our weekly bonus podcast "Beyond Bigfoot & Beyond" and ad-free episodes! Get your official "Bigfoot & Beyond: Enter The Sasquatch" shirt!Listen to the Podcast

Yeah, don't get used to that from me... Healthy skepticism is warranted and needed in this field or else people will be thinking that we'd all buy that bridge in Brooklyn they want to sell us.

What happens when a pastor from Oregon spends decades chasing Sasquatch through the Blue Mountains, Highway 12, and beyond — and keeps running into the unexplained? In this gripping episode of Bigfoot Society, we sit down with Kevin, a lifelong Bigfoot researcher whose journey began as a child in Puyallup, Washington, listening to “samurai chatter” with his father. Kevin’s story spans the infamous Puyallup Screams, late-night encounters near Packwood, gifting exchanges at Deduct Springs, and even the moment a patrolman accidentally urinated on a Sasquatch — only to be met with a roar that shook the night. From flipping logs in search of beetles, to roadside stand-offs on Highway 12, to deep mysteries in the Indian Heaven Wilderness, Kevin shares accounts that will leave you questioning what walks our forests after dark. More than just tales of terror, this episode reveals how the search for Bigfoot has shaped a lifetime of faith, research, and family connection. If you’ve ever wondered what it feels like when the woods wake up around you — this is the episode you can’t miss. 🗣️ Share Your Story Had a Bigfoot encounter or strange experience? Send it to bigfootsociety@gmail.com – your story might be featured on the show! 🎥 Watch & Subscribe on YouTube 🔴 Subscribe here → Bigfoot Society YouTube 💬 Leave a comment & let us know your thoughts! 📞 Leave a voicemail with your story → Speakpipe (Use multiple voicemails if needed) 👥 Share this episode → Watch & Share 🎧 More episodes → Podcast Playlist 🌲 Recommended: New Jersey Bigfoot Encounters 💥 Support the Show & Get Perks ✅ Join the community on Patreon – Become a Member ✅ Listen ad-free & early on YouTube – Join Here 📱 Let’s Connect Instagram: @bigfootsocietyTwitter: @bigfoot_societyTikTok: @bigfoot.society🧰 Tools & Partners I Use (Affiliate Links) These help support the show at no extra cost to you: Beam (Better Sleep): Try BeamWildgrain (Better Bread): Join HereSeed (Probiotics): Get SeedMedi-Share (Healthcare): Learn MoreLMNT (Electrolytes) Free Sample Pack with your first purchase! : Get LMNTOrganic and non-GMO groceries delivered for less http://thrv.me/uarEhS🎙️ Podcasting Tools: Repurpose.io: Try ItDescript: Sign UpStreamyard: Start RecordingRiverside.fm: Try Riverside🎧 My Audio Interface: View on Amazon ☕ Buy Me a Coffee – Support Here 🛍️ Grab Some Merch – Shop on Etsy 📬 Mailing Address: Bigfoot Society 125 E 1st St. #233 Earlham, IA 50072 📧 Business Inquiries: bigfootsociety@gmail.com Listen to the Podcast

Published in the Spokane (WA) Spokesman-Review on February 26, 1969, this article includes comments by Roger Patterson. It is unclear whether they were made to an audience during a presentation or were in response to specific questions posed by the reporter. Nothing jumps out as being remarkable apart from him describing Bob Gimlin as his friend, which was a sentiment that Bob Gimlin did not appear to share at this time.

Where is your proof of this accusation?