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I agree 100% that eye-witness experience is very, very relevant. The only other evidence I see approaching eye-witness testimony, so far, are footprints (very prevalent), vocalizations and convincing images (scarce). To your other points: 1.) Some in academia are negligent, most are not, in my experience. That is unless negligent implies that more of them should be out searching for Bigfoot. 2.) I don't give the entirety of Governments enough credit to cover-up anything. Many of our elected officials (whose salaries, benefits and often misused power we pay for) obfuscate a lot but, as Abraham Lincoln once said: "you cannot fool all of the people all of the time." 3.) Delusion implies a false perception of reality. I am convinced that whatever Bigfoot witnesses are seeing, it is very real. So, I think the options you omitted include: A. (as MIB suggested) - Humans are too inept to find them. And, B. (as I have suggested and which actually falls in line with ineptitude - they are beyond our current Scientific paradigms. That is: we do not have methods in place to even understand what they are which, significantly hampers our ability to find and classify them. That is humiliating in some ways, but since the paranormal is ultimately subject to some sort of explanation; I think it's good that we are not closing our minds to the discovery process.

I agree that Bigfoot is the hide and seek champion. And I agree that if it was a normal animal it would have been found long ago. But I also don't rule out the possibility that it WAS found a long time ago.🤷🏻‍♂️ Because it is so much like us that may be the problem with the powers that be. Yah so many parallels to ufology. Ufos were swamp gas and the witnesses were drunk rednecks. And anyone that defended any of it immediately thrown into that lot. But knowing the capabilities of the military and alphabet agencies, and watching leaked Ufo footage? What else do they have pertaining to our field as well? They don't just watch the sky. The also watch our shorelines and borders too. Yah. I think the mass delusion hypothesis right now is dying in a loud grotesque way in ufology. I think it will with us as well in the future.

Well, yes, but I also have "but but but" perspectives on these .. as you'd expect. I remember something Thom Powell wrote .. he said thing guerilla, not gorilla. I talked to him about that at the Richland conference more than a decade ago. His notion is there's a difference between a merely shy animal and something that goes to great, planned, deliberate ends to avoid us. That lemur is an animal, not a kind of person. In that context, comparing the two situations is not really apples to apples. Regarding coverup .. again, I haven't seen any signs of it despite a lot of interaction with both government officials and working in academia myself. So far as academic suicide, 'tis true the faculty at Idaho State tried to take Meldrum's tenur .. that's basically attempting to take away his retirement as well as his professional standing, so it is a real thing, but it is academia itself, not government, and it isn't being done under threat, it is done because his peers perceived his actions as making them look foolish by association with him. Mass delusion ... is a thing I've considered. The question is .. as I frame it .. is it possible there is something genetically broken in every human that causes us to have the same hallucination? It has to be something every single one of us has, genetically, not just an occasional twitch, because it manifests essentially identically in every person that has it happen. It crosses cultures, it crosses centuries, it crosses oceans .. yet the symptoms, the "hallucination" itself, remains essentially fixed. This can only be genetic wiring if it is mass hallucination. That also doesn't account for tracks, for audio recordings, etc. Plaster does not hallucinate. Audio equipment does not hallucinate. So .. possible but not very probable.

Thanks for the reply Norse and I agree with the biopsy dart gun usage. The forest service and blm biologist should incorporate biopsy dart guns as part of the tools for the hundreds of biologists and field workers that they employ. Do they really want to discover bigfoot? why or why not? It sounds like DNA from hair is inadequate when it comes to identifying bigfoot as a new species. Do Hair Follicles Have DNA? Yes — hair follicles contain living cells with intact nuclei, making them a rich source of nuclear DNA, the unique genetic material that can identify an Where the DNA Is Found A hair has two main parts: Root (hair follicle): The living portion embedded in the skin. This contains nucleated cells with nuclear DNA (nDNA), which is unique to each person and inherited from both parents Shaft: The visible, keratinized part of the hair. It is made of dead cells and generally lacks viable nuclear DNA, but it does contain mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA), which is inherited almost exclusively from the mother

I think the most politically correct, and most expedient way forward currently is…. Biopsy darts. If everyone in research had a biopsy dart gun? At some point? Someone is gonna connect. And then we shall see if its “allowed” to be discovered.

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I would argue that your experience is very relevant. And there are many many like you as well. Which only leaves three options in my mind. 1) Either academia is grossly negligent. (At least in North America) Because they can certainly discover a pocket Lemur in Madagascar! But cannot find a 800 lbs primate in the Cascades! 2) There is a government cover up. In which case science will never officially discover Bigfoot ever. Because attempting to do so is academic suicide. 3) Or this is some mass delusion of the human population.

No. I work alone. The trade that I worked in is not exactly one for scientific discovery. My BS meter is finely tuned.

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You sound like a real scientist. Do you have a background in scientific discovery?

^^^^^ What MIB said. Acknowledgement requires a description/label by Linnaean taxonomy. Unconfirmed/unverified sightings do not count. Even when Sasquatch finds you, all you can do is change your underwear.

Relax, the groundwork for protections was laid at the end of the previous century. A movie ran their disclaimer at the end of projection and stated that no animals or aliens were injured during the making of the movie. What a relief.

Not enough backhoes. Seems like backhoes find a lot of ancient bones, especially at construction sites.

For those who wish to read more about Ron Olson and other early researchers in Oregon, or elsewhere, there are numerous newspaper articles at https://bigfootforums.com/forum/203-more-historical-newspaper-archives/page/27/?sortby=title&sortdirection=asc.

It's not really up in the canyon ... exactly .. semantics, perhaps? If you drive up the Applegate to the top of the dam then continue on the main highway you'll come to a turnoff (left, down toward the lake) for Hart-Tish recreation site. Boat ramp and, in summer, a little store / concessions place. Just barely up-lake beyond that is a sign for the Collings Mountain trail .. the trap is up that a short distance. We generally drive past the trailhead, which is just on the road shoulder, across a small canyon where we can back in behind the guard rail instead of parking on the edge of traffic, then walk back a couple hundred yards or so to the trail. Edit to add - the Collings Mountain Trail is a loop and it returns to the highway near the back of the lake across the highway from Watkins Campground. Since you know the area, the report I followed up on was from Seattle Bar. A good friend / partner in crime followed up on one across the lake from the trap just uphill from the French Gulch boat ramp. I think it was part of that corridor that was cut off when the lake was filled. So far as USFS? I grew up around USFS employees, seasonal trail crew to district rangers. In 60+ years I've never seen anything to support the idea of an official cover-up. There's no play book they're working from, no conspiracy to hide bigfoot. If there is anyone out there who does know with certainty and feels tasked with keeping the secret, they don't have to do anything, the myth and ridicule will do that work without deliberate help. It's a matter of momentum. And so far as proving, I see essentially no way short of a body on a slab. I think pre-Ketchum, photos and DNA could have drawn enough scientific interest but that debacle snuffed those. DNA could probably still do it but it requires a big hunk of flesh, big enough to test, retest, re-retest, to eliminate contamination as an option .. which is a very high bar to clear .. and I think a hunk of flesh that big functionally implies a body. Taking it a step further, I think someone with deep enough pocket$ could fund testing and analysis that would tell us a lot about bigfoot without it being necessary to prove existence first. It would not be universally accepted but it would still be information for anyone willing to listen. I don't know who that would be now that Wally Hersom has passed away and Adrian Erickson has exited the playing field.

When I was younger, I had a dream Landscape Architect job with the Forest Service designing a large RV campground and a recreation park along the Applegate River in southern Oregon that took a year to do. I'm 79 now and want to be truthful about memories. After this was completed, my job became irritating and boring. No more parks were on the horizon, and my new job was to fool the public about logging! It was a clever plan that I've kept secret until now. My job was deception and to drive the main national forest highways and mark all the forest areas on a map that one can see from the road. I also marked forest areas behind mountains that were not seen. Can you guess where the plan for public deception is headed? The hillsides marked as unseen while driving the highway were going to be clear cut of all trees which upsets the public because Bamby the deer's forest was going to wiped out with logging and clear cutting. The refreshing forest seen from the highway were going to be preserved and all is good in nature land ................ so the public thinks. Needless to say, I became out raged, quit, and went to a different landscape architect job. My point is deception by the federal government that is also taking place with bigfoot. The forest service hires credentialed wildlife biologist and how many bigfoot reports have you read from one of these biologist? They spend hours driving remote forest roads, and hike on trails and a few of them must have seen bigfoot. Lots of people see them. I have two friends that saw one and I saw one too. See my eye witness sketch is below. Do some internet searches and find even one report by a forest service biologist that mentions or even focuses on bigfoot. One of the forest service's duties is to study and protect wildlife during logging operations. You as a taxpayer are still being kept in the dark when if comes to bigfoot? How do you feel about this dilemma? What is your opinion? Should I have quit the forest service? Are we being kept in the dark? My sighting is below.

Hey MIB thanks for the in-depth description of the bigfoot trap that sounds like it was up the Applegate canyon somewhere. It good to hear some accurate history. I was raised in Medford, and headed up to the Applegate River to swim and explore during the summers especially in 1965 when I was a senior in high school. Later after I graduated from the U of O in Eugene, my past wife and I hiked a trail beginning close to the river and went up and over the mountain to the Oregon Caves before I knew about bigfoot. If someone wants to study bigfoot that would be a good area for the event. As far as crossing Interstate 5 highway, if bigfoots are smart which they seem to be they would cross at night when there is no traffic. There are also reports of them crossing highways when there is traffic so who knows how they think. Why do you think the Forest Service refuses to publish studies on bigfoot when they hire many credentialed wildlife biologist? Their job is to set aside land for logging and to look out for the well being of forest animals. Skilled foresters and wildlife biologist hired by the forest service could make logging and bigfoot compatible. After a clear cut, the deer flock in to eat the tender leaves off the brush which is a win win situation. Hunters might have a greater negative impact on bigfoots and drive bigfoots into roadless mountains where food is more scarce. During the Fall when bigfoots need to fatten up for winter they are driven away from the low lands where deer, elk and moose are feeding on nutritious leaves. What are your thoughts? How long will it take before someone captures or shoots a male and female bigfoot that will tie down discovery? How can discovery be speeded up?

Not correct. The trap was made by Ron Olson, a bigfoot researcher of decades past. He was a member of a research group out of Eugene, not a "local." It is not made of logs, it is made of sawed timbers with a sliding trap door. Here's a link to a newspaper article in case you wish to read up on it. (I've been to the trap and drive by the parking for it a few times a year. It's a nice walk if you are in the area.) The trap's door has since been rendered inoperable / open. Interesting (to me) stuff about the location ... the trap was built prior to the construction of Applegate Dam / reservoir. Since construction was completed in 1980 the location of bigfoot activity nearby has shifted. My personal best guess reviewing the terrain is that the trap was built on a ridge which was part of a route they'd use through the area. The lake now cuts off that path. Though BF can swim, getting to the water's edge requires exposing themselves to view. I have investigated one report from the upstream end of the lake which seems potentially credible. Beyond the lake is the OR/CA state line; the headwaters of the Applegate are on the California side. It is incredibly rugged country. Just a little west, also in the headwaters, is Red Buttes Wilderness, and beyond, connected, you'll get into the Oregon Caves country. All of this is in fairly close proximity, and mostly with cover, with Bluff Creek and the G.O. Road of PGF fame, Willow Creek, etc. If a person wanted to put some "sweat" into figuring out something useful, they could try to figure out how the BF's are getting from the Siskiyous west of I-5 to the Cascades east of I-5 .. there are essentially NO reports but they have to be getting across that freeway somehow / somewhere without being seen. I've pondered use of railroad overpasses, I've pondered underpasses where roads go under the freeway. These are on private land. No reports. Question .. unanswered .. is someone helping them by deliberately providing a covered crossing point? Sorry .. rambling. This area is personally fascinating, I spent over 20 years living adjacent to it trying to puzzle it out (unsuccessfully) and it remains a bit of an obsession.

We have footprints, hair samples, and good videos but no bigfoot bones so the paleontologist want more evidence before they write up discovery papers. BFRO has hundreds and maybe thousands of eyewitness reports that should count as discovery evidence yet bigfoot remains as a myth. How long will it take before someone captures or shoots a male and female bigfoot that will tie down discovery? Lots of hunters have observed bigfoot yet none of them have brought in a deceased bigfoot. why? Are there laws prohibiting killing bigfoot? There are reports of rural people in Oregon who lived along the Applegate River in Oregon who built a bigfoot trap out of logs yet bigfoot was too wary. A Canadian hunter in one of the middle providences shot and killed a bigfoot but it was never presented to science to help push discovery forward. Maybe someone can find these reports and publish them for our readers. If science insists on one male and one female live or dead for discovery to occur, bigfoot may not be discovered for 500 years and may go extinct. Discovery helps rare proven species survive. How can discovery be speeded up?

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I watched the video and the scamp is good for one researcher. It would be good to have one and to camp out on research sites.

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That depends on what you count as "discovery." They are not acknowledged by mainstream science. Lacking that, I don't count them as "discovered." It doesn't matter what I've seen or experienced. My knowledge that they exist is irrelevant. Someone else's belief they exist is irrelevant. Until we have proof of existence accepted by mainstream science, the notion of discovery is as mythical as bigfoot is.

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