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  2. Some theories based on their particular set of facts are better than others. But since new facts can change a theory it is understood that a theory isn't proof. One can prove individual facts that support a theory but in the case of Sasquatch proving individual facts requires solid testable data. We have none. And that's my point. What we think we know is nearly all compiled from anecdotes/reports. And with such a lack of testable data a theory, any theory, is far from becoming perfected. I just cannot happen. Even "perfected" theories on Black Holes are constantly in a state of flux as new information comes to light. A theory is a currently working set of proven facts in whatever category you wish to choose. But the theory itself can never be perfected, it can only be proved wrong. If even one single fact crops up that counters the theory (no matter HOW many facts support it) then the theory gets amended or, depending on the strength of the new fact, tossed altogether. Facts are facts, but a "new" one can alter or even trash a theory. A theory is after all only a consensus of what MOST of the people think about something. There are people that believe I the Electric Universe and others that believe in the Big Bang. It just so happens that the Big Bang has more facts supporting it so it is the scientifically accepted Top Dog even though the Electric Universe and the Big Bang share a LOT of facts that support both. We have working theories on Bigfoot even, even concerning its origins, given what few facts we have. As more data comes in we will get a better set of facts. I don't think there's even a perfected theory on Humans. It seems to change all the time as new discoveries are made. So a "perfected" theory is tantamount to undeniable proof of something (anything) and so far science still works on virtually all of theirs. As far as Bigfoot theories go we have barely scratched the surface in the area of gathering facts. For instance, a footprint is a fact. But it doesn't make Bigfoot a fact. There's a difference. It is a fact that the PGF exists. It is not a fact that what is on it is real. Thinking it's real doesn't make I so.
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  4. Your definition of "theory" appears to differ from mine and Merriam. A theory is unproven. Hypothetical. A suggested explanation. So if one is to accept sasquatchery, the strange behavior and position of government with respect to sasquatchery can be explained only with theory, which might later be "perfected" with facts that establish it as so.......or facts that offer yet a different theory, or establish different facts of the matter.
  5. I spoke with Thomas Steenburg yesterday, to enquire how Bill Miller was doing, and heard that he had phoned Thomas to arrange closing his tour business for the winter, so he obviously has the breathing tube removed, and is alert enough to be concerned with his future, so that's a good sign. I have no details on the problems that put him in the hospital, but he seems to be on the way to a recovery. Thank you all for your concern and prayers.
  6. Agreed, but that may also depend on how remote the program is inside of any habitat areas and how small any BF populations are.......or are NOW? At some point any program of eradication would be unnecessary if populations get down to unsustainable levels AND one knows where they are. And where BF's might be is tied in to my entire thinking and dialogue on the today's surveillance capabilities. There are other things to consider as well like non-lethal access denial technology and it's recent advances. Couple that with ULF blanketing to create confusion and fear in the minds of BF's and all everything together becomes a recipe for potential extinction due to low numbers of creatures without ever firing a shot. Just ask the Human prisoners and military personnel that volunteer to be guinea pigs during the testing of Access Denial "weapons".
  7. I have to respectfully say that a theory by it's very definition cannot be perfected. And as much as a theory being based on a set of PROVED individual facts how much of that do we really have beyond anecdotes? Only physical proof or positive e-DNA results will do and even e-DNA can point away from existence just by being interpreted as being Human as has been happening.
  8. My take is that other than the need "to keep secrets", the Feds have less motive than Big Timber and similar interests, who may have lobbyists in DC doing their dirty work. As for an active effort to eradicate a potentially humanish species under the public's nose? That would be a dicey situation with dicey fall out if it ever became public. That said, I don't think the Gubment is smart enough to pull that kind of a secret campaign off.
  9. georgerm

    Why Don't We Have a Bigfoot Body Yet?

    Let's find the mortician that is something members can help with. What about Longview WA mortuaries? Most probably want their names out of this. http://bigfootevidence.blogspot.com/2012/09/anonymous-former-national-guardsman.html AnonymousSaturday, September 15, 2012 at 4:14:00 PM PDT Last part Quote: Out of those nights on Gaurd I noticed 2 out of the people that were escorted in were VERY tall. Thats the only thing I noticed were those 2 TALL people. I was not in a position to see HOW tall they were but it was obvious they were over a whole head higher than the doctor, if thats what they were. Only the escort talked and they only mentioned their last name and showed their badge. I dont know if they were Army or civilian. The other thing I noticed was the escorted "people" were REALLY wide, but I always assumed (until now) that it was the coats there were wearing. It WAS very nippy and I also assumed we were at some kind of altitude. After that we were given a debrief that we had helped alot of the people who were "Victims" of the eruption (thats all we were told"victims") and told that we were not to mention this part of our TDY. What's a TDY? sworn to secrecy?
  10. Huntster

    Why Don't We Have a Bigfoot Body Yet?

    I'm unfamiliar with this reliable situation. Got a link to the story? If there is a hand skeleton of a sasquatch in somebody's possession, and if scientists can extract enough dna from a 40,000 year old sliver of finger bone to create a new humans species, this mystery should be solvable in short order.
  11. Huntster

    Bigfoot DNA

    I've never yanked a tooth, but I did have one pulled a few months ago by a qualified, experienced dentist who had all the right tools at hand. It was real work, and it took him a while. I read of GIs taking the teeth of dead Japanese soldiers and civilians for the gold fillings, but their methods were rather crude and destructive; using their rifle butts as battering rams. You'd probably not get good samples that way, and later discussion would likely get you in as much trouble as the soldiers caught desecrating enemy bodies got into. In much less time than my dentist pulled my tooth, I can decapitate a caribou, bear, or moose.......less than two minutes, and maybe less than one, if one starts timing when knife is in hand, I'm all ready to go, and I know I'm being timed. Removing a hand or foot would be even quicker, since an arm or leg is easier to manipulate than a head/torso. I was party to the skinning of a coastal brown bear while under duress. I wasn't one of the skinners; I was one of the guards keeping the other bears at bay while the skinners worked. Seemed like a long process at the time, but I know that it was really the fastest bear skinning that has ever occurred since Jeremiah Johnson was put to the test skinning bears.......
  12. Nothing wrong with conjecture if it is recognised as such. It temporarily fills in holes and gives one a more complete theory to work on and perfect. If one comes at sasquatchery from the position of acceptance (for example, someone who has had a solid sughting), they must be wondering about government and their role in all this. And the obvious conclusion is that it would be difficult to believe that government is completely clueless about the existence of these creatures. After all government has the continuity that individuals don't have. The U.S. government alone is nearly 240 years of age. This sub-topic of sasquatchery is worthy of constant consideration. There is definitely something to it.
  13. ^^ Ain't it the truth,, Starchunk. But if you yourself wanted to see this whole thing settled how would you go about it? Conjecture is the easy way to keep the subject alive of course but if one isn't satisfied with being caught up in an endless back and forth dialogue then breaking out of it requires doing something about it. The decision on some kind of SAFE program for gaining ground on the matter seems to elude many. IMHO there is no truly SAFE ground for getting ahead of the problem. So for most, even though the status quo is sort of unacceptable, not knowing the truth seems to be okay. One thing I'm beginning to think about: If the PhD's no longer with us who pursued Sasquatch in a serious way weren't able to budge their peers then what chance do I have in my efforts to do the same? Those PhD's experienced the same things I'm experiencing: They each pretty much went at it alone. Makes me wonder where we'd be today if, say, Dr. Grover Krantz had 30 or 40 other PhD's in the day who thought the way he did. Or if Dr. Meldrum today had 100 PhD's who were in his court. Would it even matter? Would things be any different?
  14. The whole premise is interesting but still a big fat wad of conjecture.
  15. Interesting, Guy, but how is it some rating hasn't already spilled the beans?
  16. As mentioned earlier in this thread, the folks at Fort Lewis/McChord know theres something running around there, and the Army sure as hell isn't gonna just leave it at that. Just in terms of base security/asset protection you can be sure they've at least put a good deal of study/research into the matter, if not already in possession of one or more bodies. Realistically, they have the tech, weaponry, trained personnel, surveilence, private land AND motivation! One can easily imagine folks there taking as a tactical challenge strange bipeds with a knack for stealth moving about on "their" closed off land(thereby significantly reducing the likelihood of it just being some locals testing their skills against the military's} defying all the prohibitions against even being there, much less the danger involved. Of course, army personnel may be more apt towards not saying anything about it, but I would think that's where a whistle blower might come from, or at least folks perhaps likely to have something of value to add.....
  17. Madison5716

    Bigfoot DNA

    So if you find a body, yank a tooth? Small, easily carried, relatives might not notice it's absence... Potential!
  18. Madison5716

    Low End Gear And Research Equipment

    Okay, thanks anyway. We hope to capture our own audio from that location soon, and I will share that!
  19. bipedalist

    Bigfoot DNA

    Based on this recent human skeleton find, more insight into dna ripe areas for study in BF might be deduced if a fairly fresh body is not present. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/19/us/skeleton-found-mount-williamson.html The petrous bone surrounding the inner ear in the temporal lobe of the skull is one, teeth are another, especially in cases of unique or old finds. I guess hair is in the mix when available. https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0129102 This protective bone near the inner ear is news to me as a dna goldmine, learn something everyday
  20. hiflier

    Why Don't We Have a Bigfoot Body Yet?

    Can't let the day end without wishing the PGF a Happy 52nd Birthday!
  21. Redbone

    Low End Gear And Research Equipment

    I didn't see this post until just now. I'm hardly a professional, although my company pays for my Adobe Audition. I probably would not work on anything that can't be shared. If it's something unknown, having more ears hear it increases the chances of getting an explanation.
  22. JKH

    Low End Gear And Research Equipment

    All the info is a good start, thanks people!
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  24. hiflier

    Why Don't We Have a Bigfoot Body Yet?

    Someone......
  25. SWWASAS

    Low End Gear And Research Equipment

    I have a new Gold Bug 2 from Fisher Labs. While it is optimized with a smaller search head to find gold nuggets it came with an 11 inch detection coil that works for coins and other larger objects. I think the more expensive ones do a better job discriminating between a nail or other ferrous item and something of more value. I know I had to teach mine what a nail was and with the discrimination circuit running it indicates the differences between ferrous and non ferrous pretty well. A neighbor has a 10 year old Garret and it had problems with false positives when we were searching his yard for his lost wedding ring. Mine did not have that issue. While the expensive ones have better discrimination circuits, then best discriminator is digging up the object and seeing what it really is. A less expensive one would do that just fine if it is sensitive enough to detect the object in the first place. You need a pin pointer to find the object in a pile of soil you dug up. It is a thing like a large meat thermometer that detects metal with a small probe on the end.
  26. SWWASAS

    Why Don't We Have a Bigfoot Body Yet?

    The report I read was from someone that was involved in the recovery of human bodies in the blast zone. I believe it was a mortician from somewhere in the local area. As he had picked up a human body to take back with him, a helicopter went overhead and disturbed a blue tarp which covered several burned BF bodies. Rather than national guard perhaps someone should query all the mortuaries in the area and see if they were involved and saw anything. Unlike the guard, they are unlikely to have been sworn to secrecy and if so, it would not be binding for a civilian anyway. I would guess that the bodies found were simply put in a hole and buried before anyone else like the mortician saw them.
  27. NorthWind

    Low End Gear And Research Equipment

    I've used the cheapo model from Harbor Freight with decent results. Not thrilling, but it worked to find a lost wedding ring in a field of tall grass.
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