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  2. Belpherion
    I see what you are saying. I'm not being clear. I consider woo to include things like BF telepathy, dimensional travel, cloaking, etc. In that, I agree with your provided definition. The point I'm making is that the bulk of the BF community hears a report about BF cloaking, or using telepathy or disappearing/appearing in a flash of light, they (almost pathologically) call it BS and classify it as Woo without a second thought. Everything that exists in the universe has an origin, but as far as I know, there is no rule in the universe that says a person's conclusions to what they saw be correct. It's perfectly acceptable to reject the conclusion drawn from an observation without rejecting the observation itself. I reject the observer's conclusion that the woo-ish things, like BF telepathy, Predator-style Cloaking, or interdimensional travel, are actually what the observer believes them to be. However, I accept that these people saw something that led them to the conclusion they formed about what they saw. I've observed enough similarities between separate "woo" reports to make me curious enough to investigate alternative explanations for what these people saw instead of rejecting the reports out of hand. Your gorilla analogy makes my point. The discovery of the gorilla did not require the men of science to believe in the mystic monster stories in order to become curious enough to look for the origin of the stories. In reality, it only took a few kooks to decide to waste their time chasing monster folklore to find them. I think that is the reason some of the classically "serious" BF investigators have decided to look in other directions to find the answers they seek. When you sift fact into one pile and fiction into the other pile and the pile of facts don't yield a satisfactory answer, then the pile of fiction must be reexamined for additional information that may have been overlooked.
  3. Incorrigible1
    You may find this interesting. In 2003, a mountain lion was captured NE one of Omaha's busiest intersections. The '03 article I'm posting mentions the possibility the cat could become a denizen of Omaha's world-class zoo, which did happen. He lived well for a good number of years (I visited him several times), and passed on recently. https://www2.ljworld.com/news/2003/oct/03/captured_mountain_lion/ The mountain lion captured in urban Omaha is more likely to go to a zoo than to be released back into the wild, a state Game and Parks Commission official said. The state agency will decide with the help of the Henry Doorly Zoo what to do with the large cat captured Wednesday near one of Omaha’s busiest intersections, 114th Street and West Dodge Road. The game and parks commission does not release mountain lions in Nebraska, said Mace Hack, the commission’s head of wildlife research. The commission is looking into releasing the lion to another state, Hack said. But states that would be good homes for mountain lions — such as Colorado and Wyoming — already have plenty of them, Hack said. There is also a concern that if the mountain lion wandered into an urban area once, he might do it again. “This isn’t such a great candidate. … for release even if other states were willing to take it,” Hack said. Hack said there were no good locations in Nebraska — away from both people and livestock — where it would be safe to release a mountain lion. “People don’t want it basically,” he said. “Nor do we want to put people at risk, nor the animal at risk. We have never released mountain lions, and we probably never will.” The mountain lion was recovering Thursday from surgery at the Henry Doorly Zoo. Zoo Director Lee Simmons said three shotgun pellets were removed from the animal’s hip and thigh. Soon after Simmons shot the animal with a tranquilizer dart, a police officer shot the animal with his shotgun when the cat lunged at him. The mountain lion was captured minutes later after the tranquilizer took effect. Because the animal’s claws weren’t worn from walking on concrete and it was so aggressive, Simmons said he was certain the cat was wild and had never been a pet. Simmons said the lion would need to recover from his injuries before a final decision is made about his future. No pellets remain in the lion, but it is suffering nerve damage in the leg, Simmons said. He said a pellet possibly could have nicked a nerve. The male mountain lion weighed in Thursday at 108 pounds — heavier than previously thought. It is almost 7 feet long from his nose to the tip of his tail, and 2.5 feet tall, Simmons said. Simmons said he believed the cat wandered into the area along the Platte River and then up the Big Papillion Creek, which runs through Omaha near where the cat was found. It probably fed on rabbits and dogs, and would have been a threat to small children, he said. It was the first confirmed sighting of a mountain lion in the eastern third of the state, according to the Game and Parks Commission. Mountain lions, also called cougars or pumas, had not turned up in Nebraska for more than a century until a deer hunter in the Pine Ridge area killed one in 1991. Since then, there have been 10 confirmed sightings in western and central Nebraska. --------------------------------------------------- This is a 2003 story. Since then, cougars have continued to move into eastern Nebraska, and are not uncommon. FYI
  4. Huntster
    ADFG has published cases of wolves killing younger adult brown bears and eating them. It doesn't happen often, but it happens.
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  6. norseman
    You cannot kill what you cannot catch...
  7. Huntster

    How dangerous is it to be BiGFooting alone?

    Huntster replied to RedHawk454's topic in In the Field

    After watching and dealing with dog mushers around here, there is no way in Hell I'd build a kennel if dogs........for any reason. But I still think that if you're actually going to hunt sasquatches, bear hunting dogs might be the ticket. But mushers have neat "boxes" they build to transport their sled dogs.
  8. Huntster
    What people need the dogs for is to 1) find the bear using their keen sense of smell, then 2) chase it down using the speed and endurance that the humans don't have, then 3) alert the humans where they and the bear are using their obnoxious barking and baying, which also keeps the bear rather confused and upset. The dogs need us for our guns and dog food.
  9. Huntster
    Oh, I don't know. I hear people here in Alaska talk trash about their bear-killing Karelians. The Caucasian Shepherd is the newest such fad. There are probably more in Asia that I don't know about. Nope. I haven't heard or read about any such attempt there to use dogs to hunt down sasquatch creatures, but supposedly Zana was captured by hunters. I just don't know the details. I suggest that if dogs can successfully hunt down grizzly bears, they can hunt down cavemen. And the peoples of east Europe, Russia, the Caucasus, and southern Siberia have a long history of using dogs to hunt down brown bears.
  10. gigantor
    Modern examples would be Dark matter, Dark energy and quatum entanglement.
  11. Huntster
    Your words are self opposing. Clearly, "attributes or conditions are witnessed, but are not readily explainable". Thus, woo exists in reality. We just don't understand it. An internet definition of woo is "relating to or holding unconventional beliefs regarded as having little or no scientific basis, especially those relating to spirituality, mysticism, or alternative medicine." Thus, even just beliefs of phenomenon that science denies, refuses to investigate, or simply can't explain exists in reality. The fact that "science" as an industry or ideology can't explain it doesn't make the phenomenon unreal. The perfect example would be a belief in the existence of gorillas in 1846. It would be woo, but that doesn't mean that gorillas didn't exist then. Science didn't create them in 1847.
  12. georgerm

    How dangerous is it to be BiGFooting alone?

    georgerm replied to RedHawk454's topic in In the Field

    "Over time, stories about Bigfoot have entered into oral tradition and become part of regional folklore. The historical record of Bigfoot in the Oregon country begins in 1904 with sightings of a hairy “wild man” by settlers in the Sixes River area in the Coast Range; similar accounts by miners and hunters followed in later decades." https://oregonencyclopedia.org/articles/bigfoot_sasquatch_legend/#.XVnvNuNKiM8 There is a more detailed Sixes River account of a BF watching the small mining camp in the mountains where the Sixes River is located in southern Oregon. It's south of Coos Bay just north of Port Orford. A book that I read on the miner's accounts told of a hound hunter losing his best dogs that chased bigfoot. Earlier a miner was discovered bashed in near his mine. There are reports still coming from this area. One of my experiences happened in a remote Sixes River park late one night. But as with dogs, bigfoot probably hates them due to natural instincts to avoid wolves in a pack. A large pack could really damage BF. What signs should one look for to warn about getting too close to a bigfoot den and immediate area. Could this **** a BF off to the point of a fatal attack?
  13. Twist
    ^^^^ What’s that even mean???
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  16. Madison5716
    I'm going back to where it all started for me, very soon. It's the same time of year, and I'd like to test the hypothesis that they are there seasonally.
  17. Madison5716
    My dog smelled the bigfoot that yelled at me and then refused to walk that way. I frequently wonder what he'd do if he smelled it again. He's going deaf and his eyes are getting a bit milky looking, but the sniffer still works fine! But, he's not bait.
  18. hiflier
    Sniffing out a fairly recent footprint find might be the best way unless it was an artifact created by a bear! Beyond that? Yes, it would be difficult to train a dog to track a Sasquatch. I mean there are types of odors described such as a dead animal which might be an easy thing to use as a trainer. A pile of dirty diapers? There are certain types of odors reported and coming close to one of them for training may be the best way beyond the smell of a fresh print. Even then as was said, keeping up with something that doesn't want to be kept up with would be a huge challenge.
  19. Madison5716

    Searching For Bigfoot in Oregon - Take 2

    Madison5716 replied to Madison5716's topic in In the Field

    Date & time - Sunday, August 18, 2019, 8am -1pm Location - southern Lane Couty, Oregon Weather- Spectacular, 85 degrees and sunshine What Happened- My friend C. and I went up the forest road where she found the statue hands and which is up the road from where I've found barefoot prints all winter. We didn't find anything squatchy, but we did find a dead bear carcass. It was skinned, the meat gone and the rest dumped. Gross. Then we continued on to a nearby lake where NorthWind and I found deep, big impressions in the beach sand/clay/gravel (with obvious hair striations) earlier this year, and found a teepee structure that we could not get to across the deep creek. The way down to it is through a broken forest, wicked summer blackberry brambles and as 5-foot jump. Neither of us wanted to do that, so i may return next week with my kayak and go to explore it that way. Then we went swimming at Wildwood Falls and meandered up Sharps Creek and watched a guy panning for gold near the Bohemia Mines area. Didn't find anything suspicious besides the teepee, but it was as great day outside in the woods! The new-to-me truck did well!
  20. SWWASAS
    Just having a dog that would point to BF like a bird dog does would be very helpful. If I spent thousands on a dog and dog training, I would not want it running into the brush to get itself killed. I have a Grand Dog that I think would be good. She will pick up something with her nose and just stare off into the woods. I have only been on hikes with her in Colorado but she defininity has a good nose. There must be some way to use their sense of smell to give us a clue that BF are nearby without endangering the dog.?
  21. Wildmanminnesota started following Strange breathing sound captured in Pine County Minnesota
  22. Wildmanminnesota
    Hello forum, I have captured a strange breathing sound via my Zoom H2 audio recorder here in Minnesota. In the audio clip it is 4 separate breaths or exhales from something. This happened at night while a female from our camping group was preparing to relieving her self in the brush. You will need headphones when you listen to this audio to hear the breathing sound. Breathing or grunting for BF forums.mp3 I am wondering, has anyone heard Bigfoot breathing? is this anything similar to what they heard? To me, after collecting audio for 10 years, I have never captured this strange sound before and can not place it with any known animal, and I find it very interesting. If you would like to know the entire context of how I collected the audio you can view my youtube video I made about it here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdBC3MkPDk0 Thanks, Tim
  23. Wood Wose
    Wow, I've just been checking out Russian Bear Dogs, talk about big!!
  24. Arvedis
    What I find in Bigfoot research is one surprise after another. You think you have one path figured out but then it changes. Not sure we will ever really get a hold of the UFO angle if there is one. That is yet another layer that refuses to untangle. 👽 I agree Which breed? Did you mean to imply that Russian researchers have used this method? Sounds like a curious study. Though, my view is BF would make a snack out of any dogs they felt were getting too close.
  25. Catmandoo

    How dangerous is it to be BiGFooting alone?

    Catmandoo replied to RedHawk454's topic in In the Field

    The Russian bear dogs appear to require a lot of dog food = big turd.. Transporting them would require a lot of space. Anyone have experience with Karelian bear dogs or Samoyed dogs? Comments have been posted about training with scents and costumes. How about a dog that recognizes 'strangers' as targets and pursues? Scent detection first prior to visual, has the discussion of enthusiastic pursuit or run and hide / cower. The dog that hides ( mammalian self preservation tactic ) lives to bark another day. How about the opposite of pursuit? Take a horse(s). Worked for Roger and Bob but I don't know which way the air was moving at Bluff Creek. Would Sasquatch follow the scent of a horse to observe the horse? Forget the puny humans. All animals watch horses. Years ago, I tried a frozen block of water, horse hair and horse blanket fibers. This was an area that I had been previously busted due to trail cams. It was a novel idea until hiking uphill with a block of ice became less fun. Suspended about 10' above the ground, dripped more in daytime than night. The black bears went crazy. I felt that the scent could be better. Horse items purchased from ebay and craigslist are washed.
  26. Huntster

    How dangerous is it to be BiGFooting alone?

    Huntster replied to RedHawk454's topic in In the Field

    I'm pretty confident the Russians lost dogs to brown bears on occasion. I suspect such hunting is no longer practiced or legal there, but I could be wrong, especially in former Soviet Republics like the 'stans. I think the most difficult training aspect would be first to find somewhat fresh sasquatch scent to follow, then convince the dogs to follow it. Then, hopefully, their natural tendency to chase as a pack might take over.
  27. SWWASAS

    How dangerous is it to be BiGFooting alone?

    SWWASAS replied to RedHawk454's topic in In the Field

    Ideally for the dogs sake it should be trained to corner the BF but not get close enough to get hurt. Not sure how you do that but dogs that hunt down brown bears would be a good choice. Stories I have read usually have the dog picked up and thrown against a tree or something. I suppose you find the biggest guy you can and dress him up in a BF suit to train the dogs, just like police dogs are trained to behave certain ways.
  28. Huntster

    How dangerous is it to be BiGFooting alone?

    Huntster replied to RedHawk454's topic in In the Field

    That is the argument of skeptics when the tendencies of hunting dogs, trained to chase men, cougars, or black bears, supposedly cower and refuse to follow sasquatch tracks. Such claims I find suspicious, but plausible. But I maintain that dogs could be trained to chase down a sasquatch. One question to consider is what would happen when they caught up to it? Would it climb a tree like a black bear or cougar? I kinda' doubt it. That is why some study on Russian hunting dogs trained to hunt brown bears would be needed. Such dogs would have to be pretty remarkable to put a brown bear in a corner and hold him there. I've watched a pack of wolves surrounding a grizzly on a carcass that the bear commandeered from the wolves. They didn't harass the bear directly, at least while I was there. I think I remember several wolves there, too.
  29. SWWASAS

    How dangerous is it to be BiGFooting alone?

    SWWASAS replied to RedHawk454's topic in In the Field

    Many dogs will attack anything. I cannot see a BF tolerating a big dog nipping at its legs. Without modern treatments a dog bite might turn deadly for a BF in its natural environment state.
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