Some Things About Bf That I Think Are Nonsense

[Guest]

I guess I could classify most of the things I listed as when folks want to say squatches are supernatural/ paranormal.

I guess I could classify most of the things I listed as when folks want to say squatches are supernatural/ paranormal.

[Crittergetter]

I wanna believe that squatches are real. I've never seen one, but I buy into most of the stories and evidence. There are some aspects that seem like they are thrown in for an excuse or to enhance the legend. Just my opinion, see if y'all agree.

1. Bigfoot knows what a camera is and can avoid them. It is absurd to believe this. It is an excuse for someone's failure to capture them. There are reports of trail cams being turned around. Easy fix- put 2 out facing each other, you'll be sure to catch something.

2. Shapeshifters. I am part Cherokee, and even I don't lend an ounce if belief toward this theory.

3. Bigfoot knows what firearms are. I don't think they have a clue what that thing in your hand is unless it gets shot first.

4. Kinda goes with 3. Bigfoot can get shot and still survive unharmed. Bull. If it bleeds, you can kill it.

5. Bigfoot doesnt use fire because it doesn't need it/ doesn't want to be detected. I believe they are unable to harness and use it, not that they dont want it.

6. Bigfoot interacting with humans. The Carter story. The Ostamn story. Some accounts on BFF of "friendly" associations with the creatures. I don't buy it.

Only my opinion. You think I am off?

I think that you are right with most of these, except 1 and 3, to an extent. Allow me to explain...

1. Sasquatch don't know what cameras are. I agree to an extent here. They don't really understand what cameras do, but the flashing lights of the camera might drive one off. Still, this would mean that only those who had seen a camera flash would be wary of them, and that would probably also mean a lot more Bigfoot pictures then there are now. So whats wrong the scenario?

This is something I suspect to be true, though proving it would be nigh unto impossible and I could easily be wrong anyway, but I think that they have a rudimentary language. Nothing complex or sophisticated, but enough that they can share their experiences with other Sasquatch. I think this is one of the reasons why they are caught watching us so often. Perhaps they just classify different things that we are seen handling or using as 'human', and spread the word concerning these things, so that their children and other adults learn to stay away from them.

A bit out there I suppose, but it would explain avoidance of trail cams and a mild recognition of guns. Also it would go a long way to explain how they can be so elusive.

The reason I suspect this is because of their apparent ability to coordinate movements. I've heard it in plenty of stories, and actually managed to see it in one particular video. There were three Bigfoot watching a family sled from a distant ridge. When they realized that they might be exposed they started to move out of the area, however, only one bigfoot moved at a time. They coordinated their exit so that only one of them could be seen at any one time. They minimized their chances of being seen, and made it so that if they were seen and pursued in a violent fashion, that an ambush could be excuted with little effort.

Such coordination, I think, speaks to a form of communication more complex then anything else in the animal kingdom.

Edited April 13, 2012 by Crittergetter

[Guest Kronprinz Adam]

I wanna believe that squatches are real.....

1. Bigfoot knows what a camera is and can avoid them. It is absurd to believe this. It is an excuse for someone's failure to capture them. There are reports of trail cams being turned around. Easy fix- put 2 out facing each other, you'll be sure to catch something.

2. Shapeshifters. I am part Cherokee, and even I don't lend an ounce if belief toward this theory.

3. Bigfoot knows what firearms are. I don't think they have a clue what that thing in your hand is unless it gets shot first.

4. Kinda goes with 3. Bigfoot can get shot and still survive unharmed. Bull. If it bleeds, you can kill it.

5. Bigfoot doesnt use fire because it doesn't need it/ doesn't want to be detected. I believe they are unable to harness and use it, not that they dont want it.

6. Bigfoot interacting with humans. The Carter story. The Ostamn story. Some accounts on BFF of "friendly" associations with the creatures. I don't buy it.

Only my opinion. You think I am off?

Very good ideas Hoosierfoot!!!

1. Does Bigfoot can detect an automatic camera, even if it is very well hidden with camouflage? I also think he won't see it, but some people say that it is possible that the Sasquatch may have more acute senses than us...so he can "detect" the mechanisms of the cameras...(of course it is just a theory, there is no proof that sasquatches may have IR vision or can hear infra-sounds, for sure he has keen senses, but , are they SO good? We do not know..

2.Shapeshifting...this is against physics laws...I do not discard completely that Bigfoot could have some premonition or thought projection that helps him survive into the woods...or that he can project something on the witness senses to make him believe he had dissapeared (basically, make the witness dizzy or fearful)...but I would like to think there is an explanation for such strange occurences..

3. We do not know how much knowledge does Bigfoot has about us...I assume some individuals have had the chance to remain undetected and see some of our activities (farming, hunting, driving), but others, living in more isolated places, they have never seen these hairless but clothed Littlefoot...maybe some Bigfoot have an idea that these sticks that humans carry are actually a hunting weapon....but have no idea how they operate..

4. In some rare reports, Bigfoot have been shot and there was some blood trails...there are also a couple of very rare reports on which Bigfoot has been acually killed...I do not know which caliber do you need to seriously hurt a Bigfoot, but I'm really against hurting intentionally such a wonderful but little-understood creature...I remember a guatemalan kind of legend collected by Ivan T. Sanderson [ the book "Abominable Snowman, legend come to life"] on which local maya villagers spoke about the local Sisimite..."no one has been succestul into shooting one, the hair was so thick that made the Sisimites impervious to bullets"...

5. Same legend...Sisimites approached to fires, to get warm...but they could not produce it...I also think they are clueless...and they have managed to keep warm and eat raw without fire...

6. I find Ostman story very fantastic, and I cannot believe that Mrs. Carter could not obtain a single solid proof about the existence of Fox..... after many decades of "interactions"...now there are some projects of "habituations"...I really enjoyed Ostman story more than the Carter one, if true, that should be the more fantastic story of the century...being kidnapped by troglodytes!!! But I think the places and valleys that Ostman describe could be located...

Greetings.

K. Adam.

[Guest BFSleuth]

On the fly I read an article online last week and failed to bookmark it... doh! The article was about the effects of infrasound, an experiment done in a concert setting. The interesting aspect of the experiment was they found that whatever emotional state the subject was in was amplified by the infrasound. For example, if the person was already feeling uplifted then the infrasound made them feel ecstatic. If the person was feeling uneasy then they became quite fearful to the point of panic.

This has ramifications regarding the range of emotional responses in the presence of BF. For example, if a hunter is on high alert and concerned about possible encounters with predators in the woods, then an infrasound "zap" might cause them to have the fight or flight response of a high order. If a person is simply wandering in the woods in reverie, then the "zap" may cause them to have an overall sense of wellbeing. Both extremes of emotion have been reported in BF contacts.

[Guest OntarioSquatch]

I don't believe in the shapeshifter theory either. I see it as more of a testament to their great instinct and ability. I believe it's likely they communicate with each other and they are well aware of what humans can do. That being said, they probably know the dangers of our objects when we point at them. I don't find Ostmans story hard to believe, although it's possible he exaggerated on some parts.

[Guest]

They've got a thing for lumberjacks.

"He's A Lumberjack And He's OK, He Sleeps All Night And Works All Day..."

{I'm quoting that from memory.}

[Guest]

It would be interesting to know if a fox who has never encountered a human takes off when an object is directed towards it. If a fox who has never had the opportunity to learn or be taught such a behavior turns and runs, then we have to consider if its behavior is instinctive, and what that says about the past.

I think the warrah was a fox on the falkland islands. When europeans arrived, they were able to walk up to and kill them with clubs if I remember correctly.

[Guest]

I agree with Hoosier and also add psychic abilities to the "really?" list.

I think most rifles in a .30 caliber or so would have no trouble making a Sasquatch not want to get up and run. For that matter a .357, .45, and up would probably do a bit of damage. .45-70 also comes to mind as I've seen it listed as something that can take bear.

[norseman]

I wanna believe that squatches are real. I've never seen one, but I buy into most of the stories and evidence. There are some aspects that seem like they are thrown in for an excuse or to enhance the legend. Just my opinion, see if y'all agree.

1. Bigfoot knows what a camera is and can avoid them. It is absurd to believe this. It is an excuse for someone's failure to capture them. There are reports of trail cams being turned around. Easy fix- put 2 out facing each other, you'll be sure to catch something.

2. Shapeshifters. I am part Cherokee, and even I don't lend an ounce if belief toward this theory.

3. Bigfoot knows what firearms are. I don't think they have a clue what that thing in your hand is unless it gets shot first.

4. Kinda goes with 3. Bigfoot can get shot and still survive unharmed. Bull. If it bleeds, you can kill it.

5. Bigfoot doesnt use fire because it doesn't need it/ doesn't want to be detected. I believe they are unable to harness and use it, not that they dont want it.

6. Bigfoot interacting with humans. The Carter story. The Ostamn story. Some accounts on BFF of "friendly" associations with the creatures. I don't buy it.

Only my opinion. You think I am off?

1) It's possible that it knows something is funky in that tree over there, even bears and deer investigate trail cameras that I have set out. They can hear them and see the flash, etc. I can also attest to the fact that its not easy to get good clean shots of wildlife with them either. I've even had cameras destroyed by bears.......because they are bears being bears. And not because they are out to hide the "evidence" of their passing.

2) I shape shift into David Hasselhoff every time I flex in front of the mirror in my bathroom..............NO REALLY!

3) Albert Ostman was supposedly kidnapped by a family of Bigfeet and not one of them blew the whistle on his lever action rifle he had stuffed in his sleeping bag...........epic fail.

4) *looks around* How many people in the community are pro kill in the first place? They definitely don't bleed when you shoot sound recordings and thermal cameras at them do they?

5) The classic ape vs. wild man debate. I argue that if they had harnessed tools and fire? Then they would be us.........and we would still be naked in the forest.

6) Well........there are light years between the Ostman story and the Carter family story. One is a story of a prospector being abducted for a few days in a very remote part of north America. And the other is a story of a family back east somewhere that taught a family of bigfeet the English language and bartered with them. Can a Sasquatch become habituated to humans? Probably. I've seen some pretty amazing things with docs on wild Chimps and Gorillas in Africa. But yanno..........the proof is in the pudding. If Mr. Bigfoot is showing up to dinner every night, I wouldn't think it would be that hard to document it just like the Chimps and Gorillas.

[Guest]

I think most here would kill to defend themselves.

[norseman]

I think most here would kill to defend themselves.

Maybe.

But how many even go out there, with the means to do so?

[Guest OntarioSquatch]

Well, there was this one story I saw in a documentary where this one guy found his friend dead with a broken neck after some Sasquatch encounters happened around the area. Also this other story of this one dude that got chased by a Sasquatch. He made it to the front of a farmers house and knocked like crazy on the door. The farmer looked out the window to see what was happening and turned white

[norseman]

Well, there was this one story I saw in a documentary where this one guy found his friend dead with a broken neck after some Sasquatch encounters happened around the area. Also this other story of this one dude that got chased by a Sasquatch. He made it to the front of a farmers house and knocked like crazy on the door. The farmer looked out the window to see what was happening and turned white

The first one was the Bauman story told by Teddy Roosevelt and happened in the Salmon river country during the Trapping era.

[Guest OntarioSquatch]

The first one was the Bauman story told by Teddy Roosevelt and happened in the Salmon river country during the Trapping era.

Yeah that's the one.

[JDL]

On the fly I read an article online last week and failed to bookmark it... doh! The article was about the effects of infrasound, an experiment done in a concert setting. The interesting aspect of the experiment was they found that whatever emotional state the subject was in was amplified by the infrasound. For example, if the person was already feeling uplifted then the infrasound made them feel ecstatic. If the person was feeling uneasy then they became quite fearful to the point of panic.

This has ramifications regarding the range of emotional responses in the presence of BF. For example, if a hunter is on high alert and concerned about possible encounters with predators in the woods, then an infrasound "zap" might cause them to have the fight or flight response of a high order. If a person is simply wandering in the woods in reverie, then the "zap" may cause them to have an overall sense of wellbeing. Both extremes of emotion have been reported in BF contacts.

If zapping is real and if it can incapacitate, it implies that there is a frequency of sound that is incapacitating at a given range and intensity. it also implies that there are biological structures in our body that respond to (act as antennae to recieve) an incapacitating frequency at a given range and intensity. A while back I looked into OSHA with regard to low frequency sounds and found that there are some documented cases.

So zapping is theoretically possible. But I've also wondered if adrenalin mitigates the effect, permitting the fight or flight, rather than the frozen in place response.

Emotional response is a blend of perception and outcome. If one expects a positive experience and that is reinforced, the positive perception is enhanced. If one's standing on a roof in LA welcoming the aliens as they're bringing their main weapon to bear (Independence Day reference), the results may vary.