Wood knocks? or Tongue Pops?

[Backdoc]

What is that noise?

 

 

 

Incident:    I hear a horse walking down a cobblestone street in the USA

 

Result:    It's more likely a horse but it could be a zebra 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Incident:  I hear horse hooves in Africa

 

Result:  It's more likely to be a zebra and unlikely to be a horse.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Incident:   I see impression in the mud.

 

Result:   It's an antelope/ deer (and it's unlikely to be a Bigfoot)

 

 

 

 

Now the issue of noise in the woods.

 

We hear noise in the woods.  Whatever it is, it is certainly more likely to be non-bigfoot (and explainable) than Bigfoot making various noises.    I'm not saying Bigfoot wouldn't make noises as it would make sense at some point it might need to (warning, mating, and so on).   It is just this:   the more likely thing becomes the more likely thing.  

[NorCalWitness]

4 hours ago, Backdoc said:

What is that noise?

 

 

 

Incident:    I hear a horse walking down a cobblestone street in the USA

 

Result:    It's more likely a horse but it could be a zebra 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Incident:  I hear horse hooves in Africa

 

Result:  It's more likely to be a zebra and unlikely to be a horse.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Incident:   I see impression in the mud.

 

Result:   It's an antelope/ deer (and it's unlikely to be a Bigfoot)

 

 

 

 

Now the issue of noise in the woods.

 

We hear noise in the woods.  Whatever it is, it is certainly more likely to be non-bigfoot (and explainable) than Bigfoot making various noises.    I'm not saying Bigfoot wouldn't make noises as it would make sense at some point it might need to (warning, mating, and so on).   It is just this:   the more likely thing becomes the more likely thing.  

so you don't spend much time in the woods. got it. thanks for being honest about it. 

[Backdoc]

On 11/4/2024 at 9:40 PM, NorCalWitness said:

so you don't spend much time in the woods. got it. thanks for being honest about it. 

I wouldn’t pretend the “woods” in Iowa are any kind of woods we both mean when we say woods 

[Redbone]

20 minutes ago, Backdoc said:

I wouldn’t pretend the “woods” in Iowa are any kind of woods we both mean when we say woods 

What's the point you are making here? I have been in the 'woods' in Iowa and have a plethora of activity there.

[Backdoc]

Here is the point I am making:

 

"We hear noise in the woods.  Whatever it is, it is certainly more likely to be non-bigfoot (and explainable) than Bigfoot making various noises."  

 

 

I think it's pretty clear.  I expect most of these noises to have a non-bigfoot cause.    This must be the case or there would be more and more PGF level films out there instead of 1 in over 50 years.   

 

Is that really an unreasonable position?   If it is, just let me know.   I'm pretty open-minded.   

 

 

 

 

[NorCalWitness]

1 hour ago, Backdoc said:

Here is the point I am making:

 

"We hear noise in the woods.  Whatever it is, it is certainly more likely to be non-bigfoot (and explainable) than Bigfoot making various noises."  

 

 

I think it's pretty clear.  I expect most of these noises to have a non-bigfoot cause.    This must be the case or there would be more and more PGF level films out there instead of 1 in over 50 years.   

 

Is that really an unreasonable position?   If it is, just let me know.   I'm pretty open-minded.   

 

 

 

 

 

If you look at all the noises of the forest, certainly the vast majority are not Sasquatch. I just felt that your post was dismissive of the idea that Sasquatch make knocking sounds and other wild noises. I've heard it, and I am not a rube who can't tell the difference between normal and abnormal, and I don't think every stick in the forest was placed there by a Sasquatch. Iowa has its share of weird, especially in the driftless area. 

 

https://www.youtube.com/@driftless2487/videos

[Redbone]

2 hours ago, Backdoc said:

Here is the point I am making:

 

"We hear noise in the woods.  Whatever it is, it is certainly more likely to be non-bigfoot (and explainable) than Bigfoot making various noises." 

I think it's pretty clear.  I expect most of these noises to have a non-bigfoot cause.    This must be the case or there would be more and more PGF level films out there instead of 1 in over 50 years.  

Is that really an unreasonable position?   If it is, just let me know.   I'm pretty open-minded.  

 

There is nothing unreasonable about that but I'm still confused.

 

Iowa forests have nothing to do with whatever point you are trying to make. Why even mention it?

Is it so you can insult anybody that has had experiences there? I was hit by a thrown rock in an Iowa forest.

I can reasonably deduce that no hoaxing human was in this spot at the time, and I know of 3 Class A "Bigfoot" encounters at the same location. This is anecdotal of course.

 

Alas, I didn't see bigfoot throw anything so I guess I should conclude that it was likely to something more explainable. Maybe one of those rock throwing Iowa deer that are so common.

This thread is apparently not about experiences. It's about noises... Luckily my audio recorder picks up noises (censored for language). https://soundcloud.com/redbone2/rock-hits-me-091917-1110pm

 

[Backdoc]

^^^^^

 

1)   My point was about probability of things we hear being bigfoot being a more likelihood of being something other than Bigfoot.

 

2) I wanted to make it clear I am not a person who spends a lot of time in the Forrest.  Since we didn't define Forrest, my assumption with Bigfoot is we are talking about the kind of Forrest like the PNW and so on.   Thus, I said I was from Iowa and where I am we don't have that.   So, mentioning Iowa is not my first point but a response to your response on my first point.  It is me pointing out I don't consider myself and expert on Forrest things.  I'll defer to people who are familiar.  I have to think you would agree that is sound logic.   

 

3)  If you think these things that you-and others- hear could be bigfoot I can only hope you are right.  I am not betting on it.   But if it is it must be more common than I might assume.   In this way I should expect more videos and photos.  People can grade encounters as A B C or 1 2 3.    Thats a good idea.  But in the end, we either need a good video, trail cam pic or video or a body.   

 

I hope whatever a person is hearing or seeing helps lead to a modern PGF - encounter.

 

 

 

 

Edited November 6 by Backdoc

[MountainMon]

 I guess the part where I've seen them do it many times, must have alluded you people. On my other Bigfoot sites, I have hundreds of people agreeing with me, knowing Bigfoot couldn't have made the noise any other way. Take no offense people, but you really need to get out in the woods more often. I've been working and living there over 40 years. Someone please tell me how to cancel out of this site.  

[Doug]

26 minutes ago, MountainMon said:

I've seen them do it many times,

How did you see their tongues? Could it have been another type of vocalization? The "knocks" I have heard do not sound in the slightest like tongue pops humans make. 

[Catmandoo]

2 hours ago, MountainMon said:

Someone please tell me how to cancel out of this site.  

Stick around. On this site, we agree to disagree.

I don't get 'tree knocks', just the basic samurai chatter, smells, whistles, road crossings and 'Predator camo'.

 

Nature finds a way.

A recent find in our global soundscape is Danionella cerebrum.  The little fish is about the size of your fingernail and the males can produce noises over 140 decibels. It is the smallest adult vertebrate brain with a volume of 0.6 cubic millimeters. Louder than an elephant. Once again, Nature shows that size does not matter.

My point is that there is 'a lot out there' that we have not figured out. I am not aware of any published journal papers touching upon Sasquatch anatomy and vocalizations.

Anyone have good clean audio of the tree knock phenomena?

[Kiwakwe]

Hiflier got these knocks or pops the week after I had similar at the same site in the North Maine Woods. His 1 min compilation below took place between 9:25 and 9:50pm, back in May. Mine were between 11:10--1ish am. No one else up there when I was, I drove all of the spurs in quite a radius. I have 11 similar knocks/pops to those 2 below. The 1:06 minute recording is hifliers:

Edited Friday at 11:48 PM by Kiwakwe

[wiiawiwb]

On 10/27/2024 at 9:47 PM, MIB said:

Seems unlikely that tongue pops will carry a half mile and the last I heard did.   Wasn't just a stick, it was big .. a small log, probably bigger than even a strong man competitor could manage in the way it had to be managed to produce the sound.   So while I do agree that some are tongue pops, I think it utterly foolish to omit either rock clacks or wood knocks and assume all such noises have a single source. 

 

I can find plenty to ridicule with Finding Bigfoot but they did not originate the notion of wood knocks, that's been around a very long time.

 

MIB

 

A few years back, I was with a sasquatching buddy at a remote pond we backpacked to. The sun had set and, with little moonlight, it was very dark. I did a wood knock and got a return knock about 6 seconds later from an area in a large swamp across the pond. Another 6 seconds later, a wood knock occured from my side of the pond.

 

Both were loud enough yet far enough away I feel comfortable saying they were not a tongue pop. At least to my ears, both had the sound quality of wood-against-wood and neither sounded like a chest beat. It was also in a remote area that I'm confident no one else was around, particularly in the swamp. What does that leave as the origin of the return nocks? I'd guess wood.

 

One of the great unanswered questions has always been how a return knock occurs so quickly and what is its source. Maybe a stick is carried more often than we'd think. It can be weapon by which to spontaneously hunt with (throwing), defend itself, or communicate with others. A multipurpose tool.

 

[Trogluddite]

On 11/8/2024 at 6:47 PM, Kiwakwe said:

Hiflier got these knocks or pops the week after I had similar at the same site in the North Maine Woods. His 1 min compilation below took place between 9:25 and 9:50pm, back in May. Mine were between 11:10--1ish am. No one else up there when I was, I drove all of the spurs in quite a radius. I have 11 similar knocks/pops to those 2 below. The 1:06 minute recording is hifliers:

 

Kiwakwe,

 

Great work by Hiflier and you.  Listening to Hiflier's recording, is there any way to rule out / rule in a moose knocking its rack against something?  Asking for my own education.

[MIB]

6 hours ago, wiiawiwb said:

One of the great unanswered questions has always been how a return knock occurs so quickly and what is its source. Maybe a stick is carried more often than we'd think.

 

Definitely an interesting question.  

 

Speculation .. perhaps they agree that in a specific instances sticks will be used for knocking so "everyone" finds a stick first.   Other times, perhaps the prearranged signal is via rock clacks, or if in close proximity where they'd carry far enough, claps or tongue pops.    The level of sophistication needed for that means that even the specific number of pops or whatever could change from setting to setting depending on the probability of need.   Put another way, if Scott Nelson is correct about language, then all bets about limitations of communication are pointless.

 

MIB