norseman Posted Monday at 10:27 PM Admin Posted Monday at 10:27 PM 49 minutes ago, NorCalWitness said: As you've already pointed out, the government won't allow this to come out. Imagine the logistics that go into getting a body out to the public. It's pretty much impossible if the government doesn't want it out. There is already plenty of hair samples that have been collected and submitted to science. It's done nothing. You are correct when you say that a video will just be called a hoax by people. No matter the quality. You keep beating on the door until it opens. Thats all we can do.
Backdoc Posted Monday at 10:27 PM Posted Monday at 10:27 PM 26 minutes ago, NorCalWitness said: As you've already pointed out, the government won't allow this to come out. You see a government I don't see. How could it be so many other things come out but somehow that same government keeps Bigfoot quiet? They are not successful in keeping a long list of things quiet, but man are they great at keeping Bigfoot quiet. Not only does this not make any sense as the government has such a bad track record on secrecy. The other issue is the idea Bigfoot as an issue would rise to a level of importance to go to such extremes to keep it quiet. Sure, people can believe that as long as they imagine an extreme reason which would raise Bigfoot to that level. An effort the government might go to threaten, jail or kill someone about UFO's or national security issues is not the same level Bigfoot would be as a concern. The more likely thing is simple science sees Bigfoot as an unproven something. Until its proven the government's position goes along with the science position. Then they move on to other concerns until they have a body. Now since the thread involves Survivorman and not government conspiracies, I am saying if Les/ Survivorman got a great Home Run video of Bigfoot beyond the PGF but with modern equipment it would be a needle mover. See this brief video. Imagine whatever criteria you need to define a home run video satisfied. I would say this video shows a young deer coming into this person's yard. It doesn't have to be proof just a video good enough to takes Bigfoot away from being a joke. A home run video would 1) Open up conversation for further study. 2) More formally on-the-fence and closet believing scientists would become 100s of the new Jeff Meldrum's based on the video. May not be 100,000 but it would be more than we have now. -
Huntster Posted Monday at 10:37 PM Posted Monday at 10:37 PM 1 hour ago, norseman said: Convince science? No. Flesh, bone, blood, saliva, etc I believe an end-around play can work against the Dinosaurs of Science.
Huntster Posted Monday at 10:40 PM Posted Monday at 10:40 PM 1 hour ago, NorCalWitness said: As you've already pointed out, the government won't allow this to come out......... I believe an end-around play can work against government, too................ Quote .......You are correct when you say that a video will just be called a hoax by people. No matter the quality. An end-around play can most certainly work against denialists. In fact, those bozos should be simply ignored.
Huntster Posted Monday at 10:56 PM Posted Monday at 10:56 PM 24 minutes ago, Backdoc said: You see a government I don't see........... Consider yourself blessed. Quote .........How could it be so many other things come out but somehow that same government keeps Bigfoot quiet?......... Few things are as elusive, rare, and consequential as sasquatches. Quote ......... Not only does this not make any sense as the government has such a bad track record on secrecy........ LOL.............if you don't know of government secrets, that means they were successful, so are you saying that everything the government wants secret has been outed? Quote ..........The more likely thing is simple science sees Bigfoot as an unproven something. Until its proven the government's position goes along with the science position. Then they move on to other concerns until they have a body.......... This is a very reasonable position..........except for one thing: Their attitude. They absolutely refuse to keep records of reports (even on their lands which they manage with a fine toothed comb), and their almost complete silence about the issue, only speaking on terms of joking. Sorry. That literally screams of suspicion. Quote .........Now since the thread involves Survivorman and not government conspiracies, I am saying if Les/ Survivorman got a great Home Run video of Bigfoot beyond the PGF but with modern equipment it would be a needle mover........... Do you remember what happened to Les when he last ran afoul of the National Park Service in Alaska...............which also happened to be the trip which featured his first experience with a suspected sasquatch? Quote ........It doesn't have to be proof just a video good enough to takes Bigfoot away from being a joke. A home run video would 1) Open up conversation for further study. 2) More formally on-the-fence and closet believing scientists would become 100s of the new Jeff Meldrum's based on the video. May not be 100,000 but it would be more than we have now. Yup. I'd love to see such a video. It won't prove anything, but I'd love to see it. 1
norseman Posted yesterday at 12:02 AM Admin Posted yesterday at 12:02 AM 1 hour ago, Backdoc said: You see a government I don't see. How could it be so many other things come out but somehow that same government keeps Bigfoot quiet? They are not successful in keeping a long list of things quiet, but man are they great at keeping Bigfoot quiet. Not only does this not make any sense as the government has such a bad track record on secrecy. The other issue is the idea Bigfoot as an issue would rise to a level of importance to go to such extremes to keep it quiet. Sure, people can believe that as long as they imagine an extreme reason which would raise Bigfoot to that level. An effort the government might go to threaten, jail or kill someone about UFO's or national security issues is not the same level Bigfoot would be as a concern. The more likely thing is simple science sees Bigfoot as an unproven something. Until its proven the government's position goes along with the science position. Then they move on to other concerns until they have a body. Now since the thread involves Survivorman and not government conspiracies, I am saying if Les/ Survivorman got a great Home Run video of Bigfoot beyond the PGF but with modern equipment it would be a needle mover. See this brief video. Imagine whatever criteria you need to define a home run video satisfied. I would say this video shows a young deer coming into this person's yard. It doesn't have to be proof just a video good enough to takes Bigfoot away from being a joke. A home run video would 1) Open up conversation for further study. 2) More formally on-the-fence and closet believing scientists would become 100s of the new Jeff Meldrum's based on the video. May not be 100,000 but it would be more than we have now. - We have rehashed the government transparency thing a million times. I am not gonna go there again. You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it drink. As for the deer fawn video? Fish and Game tricks hunters every year. Is it real? Is it a hoax?
norseman Posted yesterday at 12:07 AM Admin Posted yesterday at 12:07 AM 1 hour ago, Huntster said: I believe an end-around play can work against the Dinosaurs of Science. We have to try. And you don’t have to kill one either. I am convinced a biopsy dart - bolt can give us DNA without killing one. The real challenge is to break Bigfooters out of the wood knock-howl-plaster cast paradigm that has gotten us no where in 50 years.
Huntster Posted yesterday at 12:36 AM Posted yesterday at 12:36 AM 23 minutes ago, norseman said: We have to try. And you don’t have to kill one either. I am convinced a biopsy dart - bolt can give us DNA without killing one........ I think DNA is going to eventually provide "proof" that will be pointed to later (after discovery) as "the proof before the pudding solidified." Quote .........The real challenge is to break Bigfooters out of the wood knock-howl-plaster cast paradigm that has gotten us no where in 50 years. The film/photo/video evidence (even with plaster casted footprints) hasn't done much better. The Buga Sphere proves that a UFO in hand (like a carcass on a slab) can be ignored just like wood knocks, plaster casts, videos, photos, testimony, etc.
Backdoc Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago (edited) One more time to beat a dead horse. I am not saying best Home Run video would be 100% proof. It would be a game changer, however. I don't see how anyone could say otherwise. Not 100% but pretty close. If we have Bigfoot in a zoo and I took a video of him for 1 hour that would be a home run video. Granted some biologist at home watching it might still want that Body on a slab if it was an unknown ape. While a small % of our population doesn't think we even landed on the moon, most would see it for what it is: A really good video of interesting new something in a cage. I use this unrealistic example as the most extreme best-case scenario apart from a body on a slab. Think of it like Diamond Grading. Diamonds are nearly off the charts in hardness. Then way below it there are varying degrees of other materials lower in harness. The home run video is the Diamond. When I was a kid in the 1970s, I saw a Bigfoot show where a lady claimed a Bigfoot encounter. She saw bigfoot was on some beach digging out of the ground and eating for 20-30 min. She didn't have a camera and no video camera. She just sat and watched in wonder. Say someone like Les has that exact same encounter. He gets a 20 min of video. We would hear any noise or grunts and growls from the encounter. Say he moves in closer and gets really close. Surprising Bigfoot at just 30 feet away he then gets a video of Bigfoot walking away. He continues to film every step and movement (and zooms in) for over 100 yards or more until it disappears. Then, he films the footprints on the shore, what he was digging and eating and so on. He can film any hair and put it in a bag and film the gathering process. He could even do a stomp test if he was so inclined. He fully documents the encounter. This would be a Home Run video. Once the video went international on social media there would be no way to put that genie back in the bottle. A HOME RUN video would move the needle dramatically. More would believe in Bigfoot as a result than do now. More skeptics would soften their position toward either belief or "it might be possible" I do not agree with those who think it would have little to no effect. I think it would be an earthquake. Edited 2 hours ago by Backdoc
norseman Posted 1 hour ago Admin Posted 1 hour ago 27 minutes ago, Backdoc said: One more time to beat a dead horse. I am not saying best Home Run video would be 100% proof. It would be a game changer, however. I don't see how anyone could say otherwise. Not 100% but pretty close. If we have Bigfoot in a zoo and I took a video of him for 1 hour that would be a home run video. Granted some biologist at home watching it might still want that Body on a slab if it was an unknown ape. While a small % of our population doesn't think we even landed on the moon, most would see it for what it is: A really good video of interesting new something in a cage. I use this unrealistic example as the most extreme best-case scenario apart from a body on a slab. Think of it like Diamond Grading. Diamonds are nearly off the charts in hardness. Then way below it there are varying degrees of other materials lower in harness. The home run video is the Diamond. When I was a kid in the 1970s, I saw a Bigfoot show where a lady claimed a Bigfoot encounter. She saw bigfoot was on some beach digging out of the ground and eating for 20-30 min. She didn't have a camera and no video camera. She just sat and watched in wonder. Say someone like Les has that exact same encounter. He gets a 20 min of video. We would hear any noise or grunts and growls from the encounter. Say he moves in closer and gets really close. Surprising Bigfoot at just 30 feet away he then gets a video of Bigfoot walking away. He continues to film every step and movement (and zooms in) for over 100 yards or more until it disappears. Then, he films the footprints on the shore, what he was digging and eating and so on. He can film any hair and put it in a bag and film the gathering process. He could even do a stomp test if he was so inclined. He fully documents the encounter. This would be a Home Run video. Once the video went international on social media there would be no way to put that genie back in the bottle. A HOME RUN video would move the needle dramatically. More would believe in Bigfoot as a result than do now. More skeptics would soften their position toward either belief or "it might be possible" I do not agree with those who think it would have little to no effect. I think it would be an earthquake. Well here is one walking away. Here is one drinking water.
norseman Posted 1 hour ago Admin Posted 1 hour ago I picked all older ones from memory as new videos are flooded with AI garbage. I no longer know how to vet videos. So if Sasquatch was gonna have a “home run” video? The PGF was it. In 2025 there are thousands of videos.
Backdoc Posted 55 minutes ago Posted 55 minutes ago 32 minutes ago, norseman said: Here is one looking for grubs. Great videos! I would say some are better offered here are better than others. These are really good but don't attain the Home Run level for my example. Still, some are excellent. I don't know what I am looking at when that thing is yanking on the bark. WOW Hoax? Real? Thanks for posting these.
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