Catmandoo Posted January 8 Posted January 8 Apparently you did not get the memo about Matilda and Chewbacca toys. Perhaps Matilda can make a cameo appearance. There is time to make one or two furry things. Never seen any of Stroud's failures. How many years has failure marketing worked for him? Now he has over $262K. The cover for 'The Question of Bigfoot' is artwork. Seems like the only published photographic image is from 1967. Someone fact check me about his previous work. Are the scripted and choreographed scenes about 15 seconds in length? No one has taken the challenge about posts regarding scene lengths that I have previously posted. Failure marketing works well for those who are on social media but they run out of content quickly and get busted for rehashing previously rehashed material. 2
NorCalWitness Posted January 8 Author Posted January 8 1 hour ago, Catmandoo said: Apparently you did not get the memo about Matilda and Chewbacca toys. Perhaps Matilda can make a cameo appearance. There is time to make one or two furry things. Never seen any of Stroud's failures. How many years has failure marketing worked for him? Now he has over $262K. The cover for 'The Question of Bigfoot' is artwork. Seems like the only published photographic image is from 1967. Someone fact check me about his previous work. Are the scripted and choreographed scenes about 15 seconds in length? No one has taken the challenge about posts regarding scene lengths that I have previously posted. Failure marketing works well for those who are on social media but they run out of content quickly and get busted for rehashing previously rehashed material. what? are you drunk? 1
Backdoc Posted January 8 Posted January 8 Let me start by saying my experience watching Les Stroud is limited to his Survivorman time on TV. Where we were: When many of us older guys grew up, we had very limited access to the issue of Bigfoot. Two come to mind: 1) The Peter Graves Bigfoot show back in the 1970's 2) Kids books on the subject of monsters. They usually had the look back pic of Patty in them. Bigfoot as a subject seemed to drop off after that until the 1980's when people could rent and later purchase a VHS VCR. At that point the video place might have 4-5 videos on the subject of Loch Ness Monster and Bigfoot. This allowed those who had an interest to revisit the PGF. One could slow motion or freeze frame the PGF which was impossible 10+ years before. Where we are: Today the subject of Bigfoot can be found on the internet/ YouTube. There are shows, podcasts and so on. This is great. We have this forum and other forums out there as well. There is some level of public interest. Some have just moved on and say, "oh i heard somewhere in the news there was some guy in a suit who admitted they made the whole thing up." They moved on from the subject to other areas of interest. Even with all of this out there now, the public probably doesn't have a passionate interest in the bigfoot subject. It doesn't help when bigfoot is a symbol of silliness along with Elvis sightings. Les Stroud: If Les Stroud or anyone else can shine a spotlight on the subject of bigfoot I'll take it. Naturally I am concerned how credible people in the bigfoot 'movement' really are. Are they using the bigfoot fandom to increase their own brand? Are they willing to fake or fraud those in the subject to sell books, videos, tv shows? I know Les from Survivorman and have enjoyed his shows on that subject. If Les scores a new PGF or the equivalent of a Body-on-a-slab we will owe him a debt of gratitude. I'm not surprised the money isn't flowing in on the subject of Bigfoot because I suspect the public generally doesn't care enough. I don't know enough about Les and his associations with Bigfoot people to like him, love him, or hate him. I can only hope the more people who are known to the public who shine a light on the subject can help increase a serious study of the subject. That will take resources. If Les can generate them, great. Finally, we need to be cautious how someone with credibility can be used (knowingly or unknowingly) to whitewash a subject. While I don't believe in the Yeti per se let's not forget how Marlin Perkins or Sir Edmund Hillary investigated the Yeti on the surface and essentially declared it folklore or a hoax. I wish we who are interested in the subject of bigfoot wouldn't have to rely on people like Les to move the ball forward. Other than a few times where Munns or Meldrum and others get some TV time, the subject needs more oxygen. Mr., Stroud, I wish you well and good luck. 1 2
Trogluddite Posted January 8 Posted January 8 16 hours ago, Catmandoo said: Apparently you did not get the memo about Matilda and Chewbacca toys. That comment was unfair to both Matilda and Chewbacca toys. Standing's "bigfoot" looked more like a brown Chia pet. Of course, that was the one you could actually see, not the bush moving with the "oh I had to cut away just as the totally believable Bigfoot came out from behind the bush." I'll admit that Standing might be doing better investigations now, but unfortunately he is tainted by what he did in the past. The history of that is fairly well documented here in the Forums, although I feel no obligation to dig those threads up.
Backdoc Posted January 8 Posted January 8 1 hour ago, Trogluddite said: tainted by what he did in the past. That's the problem.
NorCalWitness Posted January 8 Author Posted January 8 5 minutes ago, Backdoc said: That's the problem. To be clear, I am not defending Standing, I am defending Stroud for using Standing as a guide to get into the remote Canadian rockies and for being open minded and making his own judgements on people. Groupthink isn't good and Stroud doesn't do it. That's my point. 1
norseman Posted January 9 Admin Posted January 9 3 hours ago, NorCalWitness said: To be clear, I am not defending Standing, I am defending Stroud for using Standing as a guide to get into the remote Canadian rockies and for being open minded and making his own judgements on people. Groupthink isn't good and Stroud doesn't do it. That's my point. I don’t trust Todd Standing as far as I can throw him. But as you say? Who cares. This is about Les Stroud! And I trust Les completely! Way more honest than say Bear Grylls… who I had dirt on back in the day. Complete liar. That’s not to say I agree with Les all the time or whatever. But he absolutely is a man of integrity. 👍 1
NorCalWitness Posted January 9 Author Posted January 9 28 minutes ago, norseman said: I don’t trust Todd Standing as far as I can throw him. But as you say? Who cares. This is about Les Stroud! And I trust Les completely! Way more honest than say Bear Grylls… who I had dirt on back in the day. Complete liar. That’s not to say I agree with Les all the time or whatever. But he absolutely is a man of integrity. 👍 bear grylls doesn't deserve to have his name capitalized. he is a fraud. I agree about Stroud. He is as honest as they come. See, we can get along! 1
Will Posted January 9 Posted January 9 (edited) 55 minutes ago, norseman said: Way more honest than say Bear Grylls… who I had dirt on back in the day. Complete liar. That is a story worth reading! Edited January 9 by Will
Trogluddite Posted January 9 Posted January 9 On 11/12/2024 at 12:32 PM, Backdoc said: Here is an interview with Survivor Man and Bob Gimlin. As expected, its mostly the typical story. Yet, I am struck how easy it is for Gimlin to tell it and how authentic and believable Gimlin is telling it: This was a nice interview of Bob Gimlin; thanks for posting.
norseman Posted January 9 Admin Posted January 9 40 minutes ago, Will said: That is a story worth reading! My kids loved Bear Grylls. Watched him each week. Lo and behold he did a Salmon River episode. And in one shot he is standing in the Stoddard creek trailhead explaining that he was in the middle of the wilderness. I paused the episode with my kids all complaining and ran up the stairs and got my photo album and held it up to the screen. Dead ringer. It’s a mountain that the pack trail goes up the face. They cut the pack bridge and Forest service road out of the shot. It was at that moment my children’s hero shattered. Sorry!😬 1
Catmandoo Posted January 9 Posted January 9 21 hours ago, NorCalWitness said: what? are you drunk? Awesome.
Catmandoo Posted January 9 Posted January 9 5 hours ago, NorCalWitness said: using Standing as a guide to get into the remote Canadian rockies Back country trips are not required. Case in point: me. I visited an area of Washington that I was introduced to in the 1960's but had not visited since the 70's. Pulled off of a road to change coffee and found a trackway about 30' from my vehicle ( not 4WD ). Plain boring terrain and 2WD vehicles can work. They are closer than many think. No need for an epic mission. Camping works. In B.C., I would go to Okanagan Lake for the combo package: Sasquatch and Ogopogo. The Canadians are way more supportive of Sasquatch than Americans. Remember the Canadian Olympic games where they had an official Sasquatch mascot doll? 6 hours ago, Trogluddite said: That comment was unfair to both Matilda and Chewbacca toys. The Star Wars fans are found of the players. However, Matilda was debunked by a forum member. Unfortunately, the Canadian who purchased the 'pancake video' also purchased the Matilda scenario. 2
Will Posted January 9 Posted January 9 1 hour ago, norseman said: My kids loved Bear Grylls. Watched him each week. Lo and behold he did a Salmon River episode. And in one shot he is standing in the Stoddard creek trailhead explaining that he was in the middle of the wilderness. I paused the episode with my kids all complaining and ran up the stairs and got my photo album and held it up to the screen. Dead ringer. It’s a mountain that the pack trail goes up the face. They cut the pack bridge and Forest service road out of the shot. It was at that moment my children’s hero shattered. Sorry!😬 So much in society is crap. We’ve all experienced that with this phenomenon. A long list of grifters in every facet of society. 1
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