BC witness Posted November 20 Posted November 20 Interesting story, though I've never heard of that incident before. The description of the trail is accurate, and the area it penetrates is a very large unlogged mountain region, with no access roads, only a high voltage power line running through it. I've worked in that area in construction of homes in the communities along the Sea to Sky Highway between Howe Sound and the mountains. 1
JKH Posted November 20 Posted November 20 I generally dislike the narration of others' stories, have a little doubt about this one. I'd think if one wanted to kill a person, escape would be unlikely. In the video I link, Thomas Sewid talks about rock throwing at 1:19. About 1:50 he talks about a person killed at a rest stop, apparently having used bear spray. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPiim1LfV-0 1
norseman Posted November 20 Admin Author Posted November 20 2 hours ago, JKH said: I generally dislike the narration of others' stories, have a little doubt about this one. I'd think if one wanted to kill a person, escape would be unlikely. In the video I link, Thomas Sewid talks about rock throwing at 1:19. About 1:50 he talks about a person killed at a rest stop, apparently having used bear spray. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPiim1LfV-0 Maybe it wanted her for another purpose? If its goal was only to stun her and pack her off? A lone female hiker as a mate? It’s quite possible that the reason I have never seen one in all my years was simply because it didn’t want to engage me. And I rode on by. I am not Bigfoot big, but I am large and always armed. And in years past I was packing mules. And a 18 hand mule is intimidating, and I am sitting on it. Or maybe I was just lucky? It does make a person think a bump helmet may be a good investment while out there.
Trogluddite Posted November 21 Posted November 21 Well, there is nothing on the Youtube page or the organization's website that provides any information about the pedigree of this purported encounter. For all the information we don't have, this could have simply been an English 101 writing assignment that was fed into a computer. The Youtube page generates a transcript which notes at the end that this is narrated by an AI-generated voice. I thought this was obvious, but it was nice to have my suspicions confirmed. Hearing a story first hand from the person who experienced it is critical to judging credibility. I've spent the last 17 years listening to people recite rehearsed scripts in order to obtain a government benefit and the better part of the 16 years before that listening to what isn't said, which is as critical as what is said. And equally important in both situations is the demeanor of the person telling the story, which gives you a good read on whether they're telling you what they experienced or what they memorized. And you can't judge the demeanor or credibility of a witness when the "testimony" is read by a computer. Anyone can practice this skill at a bar or a church picnic or a softball game. Sorry to be the scurrilous skeptic on this one. I'll try not to let it become a habit. 1
JKH Posted November 21 Posted November 21 I think that channel belongs to a lady from Ohio who narrates stories from other people which are sent to her. She talks about her starting it in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q291aFYJ_uM I prefer firsthand accounts for the reasons you state and more. Anyway, there's no way to prove the story true or not. I just have trouble with somebody bear-spraying a Sas and living to tell it. The other details are actually pretty good observations.
Trogluddite Posted November 21 Posted November 21 We went on a quick (1 mile out and 1 mile back) hike when we got to Yellowstone to stretch our legs. The first 3/4 of the hike were practically sidewalks and a lot of folks turned back when there were actually roots and pine needles on the ground. Just a little further on we ran into 3 guys bushwhacking across Yellowstone. They chastised us for not bringing bear mace (we hadn't even gotten to a lodge to rent a can) since a bear had killed a tourist "right over there." Then their grizzled leader told us, "You know that the bears just consider bear mace to be seasoning, right?" Somehow, I think Sasquatch would react the same way.
norseman Posted November 21 Admin Author Posted November 21 37 minutes ago, Trogluddite said: We went on a quick (1 mile out and 1 mile back) hike when we got to Yellowstone to stretch our legs. The first 3/4 of the hike were practically sidewalks and a lot of folks turned back when there were actually roots and pine needles on the ground. Just a little further on we ran into 3 guys bushwhacking across Yellowstone. They chastised us for not bringing bear mace (we hadn't even gotten to a lodge to rent a can) since a bear had killed a tourist "right over there." Then their grizzled leader told us, "You know that the bears just consider bear mace to be seasoning, right?" Somehow, I think Sasquatch would react the same way. I think it did.
wiiawiwb Posted November 21 Posted November 21 (edited) 8 hours ago, Trogluddite said: Well, there is nothing on the Youtube page or the organization's website that provides any information about the pedigree of this purported encounter. For all the information we don't have, this could have simply been an English 101 writing assignment that was fed into a computer. The Youtube page generates a transcript which notes at the end that this is narrated by an AI-generated voice. I thought this was obvious, but it was nice to have my suspicions confirmed. Hearing a story first hand from the person who experienced it is critical to judging credibility. I've spent the last 17 years listening to people recite rehearsed scripts in order to obtain a government benefit and the better part of the 16 years before that listening to what isn't said, which is as critical as what is said. And equally important in both situations is the demeanor of the person telling the story, which gives you a good read on whether they're telling you what they experienced or what they memorized. And you can't judge the demeanor or credibility of a witness when the "testimony" is read by a computer. Anyone can practice this skill at a bar or a church picnic or a softball game. Sorry to be the scurrilous skeptic on this one. I'll try not to let it become a habit. I agree wholeheartedly that the use of a third-party narrator diminishes the usefulness of a report. People I've spoken to who've had a sighting, or were with someone who did, provided more valuable information. It was relived rather than rehearsed and they were seemingly transported back to the incident which afforded the opportunity to peel back layers of the onion to see what lies beneath. The BFF sighting-reports database provides the opportunity to search and mine for nuances. For example, in my area, I found that most sightings and encounters occurred between 9pm and 11pm. That was earlier in the evening than I expected. Once I focused my efforts during that time period, I got more activity such as wood knocks and eyeshine. Edited November 21 by wiiawiwb
norseman Posted November 21 Admin Author Posted November 21 If we had to vet every story, every track, every sighting on the subject of Bigfoot? We would have very little content to discuss. Its better I think to take it all in, with a grain of salt of course, and file it away for when your out there doing it. This is not the first story I have heard in which a Bigfoot has targeted someone with a rock. It is the first story I have heard about someone using pepper spray against one. It would seem while it slowed it down, it failed in stopping the attack. Thank you BC for chiming in. At least the topography of the story is accurate. I don’t trust bear spray simply because of foliage and wind. A large caliber bullet doesn’t care about either. 1
Trogluddite Posted November 21 Posted November 21 ^^ I agree that vetting stories will not resolve the issue. Unfortunately, it will take a type specimen on a dissecting table before people say, "there is an unknown hominid/ape in North America, its real, and its spectacular!" 1
Huntster Posted November 21 Posted November 21 Spray works for skunks pretty effectively. Venomous snakes kill large grazing animals (horses, cattle, etc) if the grazer gets bit on the nose/muzzle, and the swelling blocks breathing. If Sasquatches exist, they must occasionally get sprayed by skunks and bitten by venomous snakes just like any other creature. Here in Alaska it's pretty accepted that spray works pretty well on nosy, curious bears, but will not work on pissed off bears. The problem is that we don't get to choose the bear's attitude when contact occurs. If I have the ability to carry a lot of gear, I bring a can of spray for my cook tent, but I carry a holstered firearm at all times, and I try to keep my rifle nearby...........like, within 10 yards. 1
guyzonthropus Posted November 22 Posted November 22 I hadn't ever heard a story of bear spraying a sasquatch before, either, and I'm none too sure of the wisdom in it, although one might conclude it saved this lady's life. And the idea that if it had seriously wanted her for whatever reason we wouldn't be hearing this account seems valid. So what would this event signify? Just messing with the she-dwarf? Or perhaps something more sinister, like its working its way up to taking lone hikers? Akin to serial killers starting out on smaller animals. Hunster, in regards to your venomous snake question, I've often thought that snakebites could account for at least some of the four and three toed prints that are found on occasion, in that if bit on a toe, a distinct possibility in light of ..well...their big feet, its not unlikely that it may lose that toe, or two, to the necrotic nature of the venom. Thanks for posting this, Norseman! 1
FLY Posted November 22 Posted November 22 18 hours ago, Trogluddite said: ^^ I agree that vetting stories will not resolve the issue. Unfortunately, it will take a type specimen on a dissecting table before people say, "there is an unknown hominid/ape in North America, its real, and its spectacular!" And what if it's more human than ape? What if it's just large humans that have regressed to feral ? This would explain why it might have been trying to take her. Neanderthals and modern humans mated.We all have neanderthal genes. Maybe this is how it happened back then also 1
norseman Posted November 22 Admin Author Posted November 22 5 hours ago, FLY said: And what if it's more human than ape? What if it's just large humans that have regressed to feral ? This would explain why it might have been trying to take her. Neanderthals and modern humans mated.We all have neanderthal genes. Maybe this is how it happened back then also What if? Whatever it is it still needs to be classified. Chimps are known to rape human women. So do Dolphins and Dogs. Unfortunately we cannot use a Bigfoots attraction to our females as some sort of Litmus test. Again? How closely related to us it is would only be satisfied by a type specimen.
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