Sasquatch gets bear sprayed….

[7.62]

Kind of strange she didn't have a phone with her  hiking in 2019 but I guess it's possible but unlikely . I think I'm going to put this in just a tall tale

 

So later in the story she has a phone but  minutes into the story has no camera she says .

Yeah  I hae really go witha tall tale and she needs to remember what she says because that is a mark of a someone lying .

People forget lies 

Edited Friday at 09:30 PM by 7.62

[Trogluddite]

On 11/21/2024 at 5:01 AM, wiiawiwb said:

 

I agree wholeheartedly that the use of a third-party narrator diminishes the usefulness of a report. People I've spoken to who've had a sighting, or were with someone who did, provided more valuable information. It was relived rather than rehearsed and they were seemingly transported back to the incident which afforded the opportunity to peel back layers of the onion to see what lies beneath.

 

The BFF sighting-reports database provides the opportunity to search and mine for nuances. For example, in my area, I found that most sightings and encounters occurred between 9pm and 11pm. That was earlier in the evening than I expected. Once I focused my efforts during that time period, I got more activity such as wood knocks and eyeshine. 

 

I'm looking forward to the database coming back online now that I have time again to devote to this.

 

6 hours ago, FLY said:

And what if it's more human than ape? What if it's just large humans that have regressed to feral ? This would explain why it might have been trying to take her. Neanderthals and modern humans mated.We all have neanderthal genes. Maybe this is how it happened back then also

 

I don't disagree with any of this, although if it is more human than ape there may be interesting legal problems for the person who put it on a slab for the scientists to dissect.  That would be an interesting legal brief to write - where do humans end and apes begin for the purpose of pursuing a murder conviction?

[Huntster]

1 hour ago, Trogluddite said:

I'm looking forward to the database coming back online now that I have time again to devote to this............

 

Oh, I noticed that I couldn't access it anymore. I thought I'd been kicked out. When is it coming back?

[FLY]

14 hours ago, norseman said:

What if? Whatever it is it still needs to be classified. 
 

Chimps are known to rape human women. So do Dolphins and Dogs. Unfortunately we cannot use a Bigfoots attraction to our females as some sort of Litmus test. 
 

Again? How closely related to us it is would only be satisfied by a type specimen.

But you see that's the kicker. If it's classified human. Then you would be charged with murder, the mystery would continue because all you shot was some big hairy person walking in the woods and most people believe Bigfoot is something other than a human.  I do know most of the stories of people killing one end up with the shooter standing over the body in fear because of how human it looks. 

[norseman]

29 minutes ago, FLY said:

But you see that's the kicker. If it's classified human. Then you would be charged with murder, the mystery would continue because all you shot was some big hairy person walking in the woods and most people believe Bigfoot is something other than a human.  I do know most of the stories of people killing one end up with the shooter standing over the body in fear because of how human it looks. 

No. That’s not how it works. We have been over this a million times. Collecting a type specimen is not murder.

 

They are not “big hairy persons”. We cannot have our cake and eat it too. Have you not watched any of the presentations by Bill Munns or Jeff Meldrum talking about Bigfoot morphology being different than human?

 

It’s amazing that in all of those stories? Not one body makes it to science. But also not one hunter is charged with murder……

 

I would guess it’s a primate cousin of humanity, but until a type specimen is collected, it’s all just a educated guess.

[Trogluddite]

15 hours ago, Huntster said:

 

Oh, I noticed that I couldn't access it anymore. I thought I'd been kicked out. When is it coming back?

Don't know.  Redbone told me that G(igantor) is trying to fix it.  I had some questions into G on other issues, but haven't received a response.  Being that I know what its like for life to get in the way of hobbies, I haven't pushed the issue.

3 hours ago, norseman said:

No. That’s not how it works. We have been over this a million times. Collecting a type specimen is not murder.

 

They are not “big hairy persons”. We cannot have our cake and eat it too. Have you not watched any of the presentations by Bill Munns or Jeff Meldrum talking about Bigfoot morphology being different than human?

 

It’s amazing that in all of those stories? Not one body makes it to science. But also not one hunter is charged with murder……

 

I would guess it’s a primate cousin of humanity, but until a type specimen is collected, it’s all just a educated guess.

Norse, not saying that a hunter would be charged, I just think it would make good fan fiction.  Better, dare I say, than the "Bigfoot kidnapped me but we lived happily ever after and we now have five hairy children together" type.

[Huntster]

4 hours ago, norseman said:

No. That’s not how it works. We have been over this a million times. Collecting a type specimen is not murder.

 

They are not “big hairy persons”. We cannot have our cake and eat it too. Have you not watched any of the presentations by Bill Munns or Jeff Meldrum talking about Bigfoot morphology being different than human?

 

It’s amazing that in all of those stories? Not one body makes it to science. But also not one hunter is charged with murder……

 

I would guess it’s a primate cousin of humanity, but until a type specimen is collected, it’s all just a educated guess.

Murder:

 

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The unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.

We know how prosecuting legal authorities can be. Nobody knows precisely what these creatures are taxonomically, but it is widely speculated that they might be a human species or even feral homo sapiens. The Zana scientific DNA studies *proved* that a   creature that looked like, acted like, and was believed by those who saw her to be a legendary almas was indeed a feral homo sapien. We also have local and county laws protecting bigfeet by name, as well as hunting laws in some states that specifically prohibit hunting creatures that aren't listed with hunting seasons.

 

I strongly suggest that if one is to kill one to provide a specimen for science without a permit to do so, or for any other reason other than self defense, is setting himself up for serious legal problems.

 

[norseman]

1 hour ago, Huntster said:

Murder:

 

We know how prosecuting legal authorities can be. Nobody knows precisely what these creatures are taxonomically, but it is widely speculated that they might be a human species or even feral homo sapiens. The Zana scientific DNA studies *proved* that a   creature that looked like, acted like, and was believed by those who saw her to be a legendary almas was indeed a feral homo sapien. We also have local and county laws protecting bigfeet by name, as well as hunting laws in some states that specifically prohibit hunting creatures that aren't listed with hunting seasons.

 

I strongly suggest that if one is to kill one to provide a specimen for science without a permit to do so, or for any other reason other than self defense, is setting himself up for serious legal problems.

 

There is no legal precedent for a murder charge against anyone that killed a species outside their own. And groups have been trying to bridge that gap for awhile.

 

https://www.science.org/content/article/chimpanzee-personhood-fails-appeal

 

Justin Smeja is not in jail because of his Bigfoot shooting story.

 

Zana was a homo sapien. Which means that her stories were fabricated or embellished. Her offspring look only Homo Sapien and their DNA proved it.

 

The North American Bigfoot is NOT a Homo Sapien. Its morphology is much different than ours.

 

Yes, it’s true. Skamania county makes its a misdemeanor to shoot a Bigfoot. Even when science demands a type specimen. And typically in science the discovery is celebrated…..and not punished. In my opinion it’s all a publicity stunt for the county.

 

 

[Huntster]

5 hours ago, norseman said:

.........Zana was a homo sapien. Which means that her stories were fabricated or embellished............

 

That might be true, and it might not. She was believed to be an almas by some. Whether she was or was not is not only immaterial, it's part and parcel of the point. Had she been killed instead of captured, it could have been legal murder. It's no different than if a man in a suit or feral man gets shot by somebody who believes he's shooting at a Sasquatch.

 

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......... Her offspring look only Homo Sapien and their DNA proved it..........

 

Yup. Proof positive, both scientific and legal. Not only did they test her grandchildren's DNA, they found her remains and confirmed it.

 

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..........The North American Bigfoot is NOT a Homo Sapien. Its morphology is much different than ours............

 

I would tend to agree, except the Zana DNA work changed my mind for good. You believe that Sasquatches are not homo sapien or homo something-else. That works for me. I understand. I used to agree. And if you ever get a shot and take it, I hope it works out for you. But I have every reason to believe that if Science ends up calling it a Homo Anything, you will be in deep trouble.

[norseman]

2 hours ago, Huntster said:

 

That might be true, and it might not. She was believed to be an almas by some. Whether she was or was not is not only immaterial, it's part and parcel of the point. Had she been killed instead of captured, it could have been legal murder. It's no different than if a man in a suit or feral man gets shot by somebody who believes he's shooting at a Sasquatch.

 

 

Yup. Proof positive, both scientific and legal. Not only did they test her grandchildren's DNA, they found her remains and confirmed it.

 

 

I would tend to agree, except the Zana DNA work changed my mind for good. You believe that Sasquatches are not homo sapien or homo something-else. That works for me. I understand. I used to agree. And if you ever get a shot and take it, I hope it works out for you. But I have every reason to believe that if Science ends up calling it a Homo Anything, you will be in deep trouble.

1) My point being? Yes if you kill a Homo Sapien. A known species? Yes that’s murder. Zana was fully Homo Sapien. So her reported Bigfoot morphology must be fabricated or embellished. 
 

2) No one collecting a type specimen should be in trouble of anything. As I mentioned earlier? A known person reportedly shot and killed 3 Bigfoot. And yet no charges were brought against him. Why? Because Bigfoot does not exist. 

[Huntster]

2 minutes ago, norseman said:

1) My point being? Yes if you kill a Homo Sapien. A known species? Yes that’s murder. Zana was fully Homo Sapien. So her reported Bigfoot morphology must be fabricated or embellished.........

 

Again, that isn't necessarily true at all. It might be fabricated or embellished, and it might not. Even if you insist that Zana wasn't 6'6' tall and covered in hair (which is pure opinion in opposition to the valid testimony of multiple people), it is entirely possible to mistake a human and a supposed Sasquatch in the field. It happens all the time. People misidentify animals regularly. Hoaxers have been hit by vehicles on the road. These are facts. Shoot it, and you're likely going to be in deep doo doo.

 

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..........2) No one collecting a type specimen should be in trouble of anything..........

 

"Should" has little to do with this exchange. You can get in trouble for picking wildflowers in a national park. That "shouldn't" be the case.......but it is. And shooting a bipedal creature just mighty be a bit more troubling. I don't believe you'd even get a permit to attempt such a thing on public lands. If you try it, you'll be doing so at your legal risk.

 

Good luck.

 

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..........As I mentioned earlier? A known person reportedly shot and killed 3 Bigfoot. And yet no charges were brought against him. Why? Because Bigfoot does not exist. 

 

Actually, in that particular case, the dead bodies didn't exist. That's sorta' like "reportedly" shooting down a UFO that nobody can find. Thus, UFOs don't exist.