Sasquatch gets bear sprayed….

[norseman]

11 minutes ago, Huntster said:

 

True, but that's because there aren't any non-Homo Sapien homos out there any more.......or so they say...........

 

But they claim that Homo sapiens successfully mated with homo Neanderthalensis and Homo Denisovan.

 

There was a case of an American sport hunter who had a permit to hunt a polar bear in Canada, and was doing so under the supervision of a Canadian hunting guide, and after shooting one, they discovered that it was a prizzly bear........a polar/grizzly hybrid. So guess what the Canadian fish and game authorities did? He didn't have a grizzly permit. They prosecuted.

 

So did "Science". I guess the hunter is supposed to get a DNA analysis before squeezing the trigger:

 

https://earthsciences.uconn.edu/2021/07/19/hello-new-breed/

Science still has a male and female type specimen of both bear species. The only species that have not been required to have type specimens are extinct ones.🤷🏻‍♂️

 

If Bigfoot is a extant species today? Type specimens are required. 
 

I hear people argue every angle. But even Homo Sapiens are not exempt. 
 

I hope one dies of a heart attack on the grounds of ISU. Right on Meldrum’s steps. I have no interest in killing my ape cousins for any personal gratification. But I do think it’s important to science. If science is still around in 20 years. Biology doesn’t seem to be a strong point anymore.

[Catmandoo]

On 11/23/2024 at 9:34 AM, Huntster said:

We also have local and county laws protecting bigfeet by name, as well as hunting laws in some states that specifically prohibit hunting creatures that aren't listed with hunting seasons.

 This thread has done the usual wandering ( bear spray, Zana and hunting ) so I will stir it up. Two counties in Washington State have an ordinance / resolution concerning our cousins. 

Whatcom County Resolution No. 92-043, June 9th, 1991

Skamania County:

Article: Skamania Ordinance2
Date Posted: Nov-18-2006

ORDINANCE NO. 1984-2
PARTIALLY REPEALING AND AMENDING ORDINANCE NO. 1969-01

WHEREAS, evidence continues to accumulate indicating the Possible existence within Skamania County a nocturnal primate mammal Variously described as an ape-like creature or sub-species of Homo Sapiens; and

WHEREAS, legend, purported recent findings, and spoor support This possibility; and

WHEREAS, this creature is generally and commonly known as “Sasquatch”, “Yeti”, “Bigfoot”, or “Giant Hairy Ape”, all of which terms may be hereinafter be used interchangeably; and

WHEREAS, publicity attendant upon such real or imagined findings And other evidence have resulted in an influx of scientific investigators as well as casual hunters, most of which are armed with lethal weapons; and

WHEREAS, the absence of specific national and state laws restricting the taking of specimens has created a dangerous state of affairs within this county in regard to firearms and other deadly devices used to hunt the Yeti and poses a clear and present danger to the safty of the well-being persons living or traveling within the boundries of this county as well as to the Giant Hairy Apes themselves; and

WHEREAS, previous County Ordinance No. 1969-01 deemed the slaying of such creature to be a felony (punishable by 5 years in prison) and may have exceeded the jurisdictional authority of that Board of County Commissioners; now, therefore

BE IT HEREBY ORDAINED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF SKAMANIA COUNTY that a portion of Ordinance No. 1969-1, deeming the slaying of Bigfoot to be a felony punishable by 5 years in prison, is hereby repealed and in its stead the following sections are enacted:

SECTION 1. Sasquatch Refuge. The Sasquatch, Yeti, Bigfoot, or Giant Hairy Ape are declared to be endangered species of Skamania County and there is hereby created a Sasquatch Refuge, the boundaries of which shall be co-extensive with the boundaries of Skamania County.

SECTION 2. Crime-Penalty. From and after the passage of this ordinance the premeditated, willful, or wanton slaying of Sasquatch shall be unlawful and shall be punishable as follows:
(a) If the actor is found to be guilty of such a crime with malice aforethought, such act shall be deemed a Gross Misdemeanor.
(b) If the act is found to be premeditated and willful or wanton but without malice aforethought, such act shall be deemed a Misdemeanor.
(c) A gross misdemeanor slaying of Sasquatch shall be punishable by 1 year in the county jail and a $1,000.00 fine, or both.
(d) The slaying of Sasquatch which is deemed a misdemeanor shall be punishable by a $500.00 fine and up to 6 months in the county jail, or both.

SECTION 3. Defense. In the prosecution and trail of any accused Sasquatch killer the fact that the actor is suffering from insane delusions, diminished capacity, or that the act was the product of a diseased mind, shall not be a defense.

SECTION 4. Humaniod/Anthropoid. Should the Skamania County Coroner determine any victim/creature to have been humanoid the Prosecuting Attorney shall persue the case under existing laws pertaining to homicide. Should the coroner determine the victim to be an anthropoid (ape-like creature) the Prosecuting Attorney shall proceed under the terms of this ordinance.

BE IT FUTHER ORDAINED that the situation existing constitutes an emergency and such this ordinance shall become effective immediately upon its’ passage.

REVIEWED this 2nd day of April, 1984, and set for a public hearing on the 16th day of April, 1984, at 10:30 o’clock A.M.
 

Note: Became law on April 16th 1984.

 

I like SECTION 3     "any accused Sasquatch killer the fact that the actor is suffering from insane delusions, diminished capacity, or that the act was the product of a diseased mind, shall not be a defense."  

 

The debates about our cousins continue at this point in time.

Edited November 27 by Catmandoo

[Trogluddite]

On 11/24/2024 at 8:04 PM, Huntster said:

Not all footprints out there are 17"-24" long,. and not all Sasquatch sighting reports are described as huge. Patty's footprints were the length of my little brother's foot. He wears a size 14 shoe.

Now I'm afraid to meet either you or your "little" brother in a dark alley.  :-)

 

I have a very hard time accurately picturing the potential size of a Bigfoot because I don't personally know and routinely interact with anyone who is (at a minimum) 6' 6" and 300 pounds of muscle.  Seeing professional athletes on TV doesn't help because they're always shown next to other large people.

 

I think the chances of mistakenly shooting a human rather than a Bigfoot is a real possibility.  Of 470 reports in the northeast where height is estimated, fully 100 come in at or around six feet tall.  Not the same issue that was being discussed previously, but still a consideration. 

[Huntster]

11 hours ago, norseman said:

.........I have no interest in killing my ape cousins for any personal gratification. But I do think it’s important to science. If science is still around in 20 years. Biology doesn’t seem to be a strong point anymore.

I agree with you 150%. You appear to be focusing on the scientific requirement for a type specimen to establish existence and psychologically ignoring the legal hazard for the collector. 
 

Did you read my reference? It was written by a biology PHD from a Canadian university. His prose was saturated with outright hatred for the hunter Mr. Martell, who did absolutely nothing illegal, and paid $45K for a permit for the right to do it. He was supervised during the entire act by a Canadian guide authorized to guide him. Yet the author outright wrote that he thought Mr. Martell needed to go to prison. 
 

Yes, both bear species are known, hybrids were known to have existed in captivity, and rumors of wild hybrids were reported and speculated, but Mr. Martell proved it beyond a shadow of a doubt.

 

And the very first thing they did was seize the hide and skull, and they threatened him with criminal charges. They wanted that trophy, and they almost took it away despite his $45K permit authorizing him possession. Moreover, pinheads like this PHD biologist professor continue to lust for his imprisonment. I submit that even if that hide/skull were sitting in his university collection  he would still advocate Mr. Martell's imprisonment.

 

I'm telling you that this is the default situation with regard to a sasquatch harvest. You'll never get a permit to harvest unless you agree to surrender the carcass, which I suggest they already have, don't need, and don't want known about. And if you harvest without the permit which isn't forthcoming, and if you get caught, you'll be in deep, deep dung.

[Huntster]

4 hours ago, Trogluddite said:

Now I'm afraid to meet either you or your "little" brother in a dark alley.  :-).....

 

No chance of that, since I'm quite confident that my brother and I avoid dark alleys as wisely as you and the average sasquatch do.

 

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.........I have a very hard time accurately picturing the potential size of a Bigfoot because I don't personally know and routinely interact with anyone who is (at a minimum) 6' 6" and 300 pounds of muscle.  Seeing professional athletes on TV doesn't help because they're always shown next to other large people..........

I played high school football with a Samoan guy who enrolled as a freshman at 380 lbs. He was banned in his senior year from wrestling by the state high school sports conference because of his sheer size. He started his senior year at 485 lbs.........and that guy could run. Twenty some years later I just happened to meet a guy at an Anchorage hospital who was from the area of southern California were I was raised, and when I told him which high school I went to,  he excitedly asked if I played ball with "that giant Samoan guy". He confessed that they were triple teaming him (which made my job so much easier), and still couldn't move him. My dad once commented that, as my friend and I laid on the lawn, he'd never seen a guy laying down who was still three and a half feet tall.

 

But he was only 6' tall standing up.

 

Giant women are another story. They are much more rare.

 

I think it's easy to both over and under estimate height and (especially) weight with large fauna. 

 

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..........Of 470 reports in the northeast where height is estimated, fully 100 come in at or around six feet tall.  Not the same issue that was being discussed previously, but still a consideration. 

Agreed. Personally, I suspect that a male sasquatch's height doesn't exceed 8.5'.

[FLY]

1 hour ago, Huntster said:

I agree with you 150%. You appear to be focusing on the scientific requirement for a type specimen to establish existence and psychologically ignoring the legal hazard for the collector. 
 

Did you read my reference? It was written by a biology PHD from a Canadian university. His prose was saturated with outright hatred for the hunter Mr. Martell, who did absolutely nothing illegal, and paid $45K for a permit for the right to do it. He was supervised during the entire act by a Canadian guide authorized to guide him. Yet the author outright wrote that he thought Mr. Martell needed to go to prison. 
 

Yes, both bear species are known, hybrids were known to have existed in captivity, and rumors of wild hybrids were reported and speculated, but Mr. Martell proved it beyond a shadow of a doubt.

 

And the very first thing they did was seize the hide and skull, and they threatened him with criminal charges. They wanted that trophy, and they almost took it away despite his $45K permit authorizing him possession. Moreover, pinheads like this PHD biologist professor continue to lust for his imprisonment. I submit that even if that hide/skull were sitting in his university collection  he would still advocate Mr. Martell's imprisonment.

 

I'm telling you that this is default situation with regard to a sasquatch harvest. You'll never get a permit to harvest unless you agree to surrender the carcass, which I suggest they already have, don't need, and don't want known about. And if you harvest without the permit which isn't forthcoming, and if you get caught, you'll be in deep, deep dung.

"I suggest they already have"  They have the technology to identify the sex of a person walking down a street from space. I have no doubt they know about Sasquatch. I would also like to declare that I am not against someone shooting a squatch. However, Legally  speaking it had better be attacking you . ( and one must not have a internet trail of you posting you want to kill one for proof of existence ). Which to me actually wouldn't be farfetched. I don't ascribe to the gentle giant view. And I believe anytime one is seen ,heard or evidence of recent  habitation is observed . Your life is forfeit

[iacozizzle]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/sasquatchchronicles.com/squatch-guard-maximum-strength-defense-sprays/%3famp=1

 

Link at bottom leads to website purchase page, rather tragically.

[norseman]

2 hours ago, FLY said:

"I suggest they already have"  They have the technology to identify the sex of a person walking down a street from space. I have no doubt they know about Sasquatch. I would also like to declare that I am not against someone shooting a squatch. However, Legally  speaking it had better be attacking you . ( and one must not have a internet trail of you posting you want to kill one for proof of existence ). Which to me actually wouldn't be farfetched. I don't ascribe to the gentle giant view. And I believe anytime one is seen ,heard or evidence of recent  habitation is observed . Your life is forfeit

A long time ago when I first started researching this subject online I joined the blue forum on the BFRO. I quickly learned that being pro kill wasn’t welcomed there. Bossburg was one of the moderators there and she would delete my posts and close my threads.

 

I am but one man. Thus the value of changing the narrative and people’s viewpoints outweighs any future defense strategies I may have to attempt in a court of law. We need thousands of pro kill people out there in the woods. It’s a game of odds. Each sighting is a lost opportunity.

 

Lastly? If Bigfoot is a new species? It doesn’t matter what scientists say or the law says….. Science has spoken and it’s a system that’s been in place for over 100 years. Extant species require a male and female type specimen. No exceptions. It’s not something that is hidden or shady. It’s a biological directive. And our entire civilization is built on this bedrock belief. We need proof.

[Huntster]

2 hours ago, FLY said:

"I suggest they already have"  They have the technology to identify the sex of a person walking down a street from space. I have no doubt they know about Sasquatch..........

 

My suspicion exactly.........and I'll point out that even though they know the sex of everybody with a mere review of birth certificates, they still feel some silly need to muddle the biological facts. There is absolutely nothing they won't confuse, and intentionally. Nothing. 

 

And there is no way there have been Sasquatches regularly wandering around Ft. Lewis, WA for the past century without the Army eventually figuring out exactly what is going on. No Way, No How, No Kidding. What they've done with that knowledge, I couldn't know, but I have clues, and they most certainly know it for sure.

[Huntster]

4 minutes ago, norseman said:

.........Extant species require a male and female type specimen. No exceptions..........

 

But prehistoric ones do not? Why do you suppose that is?

[norseman]

6 hours ago, Huntster said:

 

But prehistoric ones do not? Why do you suppose that is?

For the simple fact that the bones are not available. So they extrapolate.

 

Brown = Fossil

 

White = Plaster of Paris

[Huntster]

3 minutes ago, norseman said:

........they extrapolate.........

They sure do. They have particular fun with external appearances, don't they? They can put racing stripes on them if they want. They can even make birds out of dinosaurs.

My favorite neanderthal renditions:

[wiiawiwb]

On 11/24/2024 at 8:04 PM, Huntster said:

Not all footprints out there are 17"-24" long,. and not all Sasquatch sighting reports are described as huge. Patty's footprints were the length of my little brother's foot. He wears a size 14 shoe.

 

 Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Patty have a ~14.5" footprint? If so, that converts to a mens 21.5 shoe size. 

 

I've seen and measured footprints that were 17" long. That translates to a 29.0" mens footprint. Yikes!!

[Huntster]

1 hour ago, wiiawiwb said:

 Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Patty have a ~14.5" footprint? If so, that converts to a mens 21.5 shoe size.........

 

Yeah, I've seen that statement before, and my understanding is that her footprint was 14.5" long (even though it looks much bIgger in photos of Patterson holding casts up), but I don't understand how that can equal a men's shoe size of 21.5. My foot is a foot long, and I wear a size 12W (my foot is wide), My brother's foot is 14" long, narrow, and he wears a size 14. I might be uneducated in sizing, and I indeed have difficulty finding clothes and shoes that fit me well, but I just can't figure it out. I assumed that it was because garments and shoes are often manufactured overseas now, and they use different units of measure.

[norseman]

13 hours ago, Huntster said:

They sure do. They have particular fun with external appearances, don't they? They can put racing stripes on them if they want. They can even make birds out of dinosaurs.

My favorite neanderthal renditions:

Not a fan of Danny V’s work.

 

But yes science has slowly discovered that Dinosaurs had feathers.

 

https://www.asianscientist.com/2016/11/in-the-lab/beta-keratin-bird-feather-fossil/