Backdoc Posted December 11 Posted December 11 4 hours ago, NorCalWitness said: such great insight. to sum it up: "I was right, you are wrong, and I am so important that you should do research and post it here for me to get me to reconsider my position, because I am so important". did I get it right? we get it, you don't like Rogan. you are closing your ears and not listening to the experts who go on his show. not a sign of intelligence. When someone says something on video it proves that person did say actually what they said. This applies to the famous and non-famous alike. For some, the rules are different for Joe Rogan. They can explain why. I can't. I treat all these people equally. If someone made a statement, then they made a statement. We can like or dislike the person making the statement but what was said is what was said. When we are lucky enough to have it one video, we get the exact words and even the tone offered. It has the advantage of being proof. I showed a video of what Rogan said exactly. If someone is a Rogan fan or not, the video is for all to see. People can choose to watch it or not. If they do there will be no denying what he said. Unless he changed his position, that is his position. To be fair to him or any other person, you only attribute to a person they things the person actually said. If Rogan has changed his position, I am asking for anyone to show us. Show us because it's only fair to update a person's position to what they presently believe vs chaining them to any past belief IF it is no longer their belief. Until someone shows Rogan has changed his views, his past stated views stand. Why wouldn't they. If Rogan no longer believes what he said, then show us. <--- That is too demanding for some to handle. 1
norseman Posted December 12 Admin Posted December 12 On 12/10/2024 at 9:21 PM, Backdoc said: I think you sum it up well. Until I see hard evidence he has changed his views it's my guess he hasn't changed. He moderates his public tone because as you point out it's good business. It's typical of many public figures and others. I'll bet the Q's I asked (which views has he changed?) will go several pages on this BFF thread. However, no one will post any evidence any view has actually changed from the video I posted. They will just try to imply a softening public tone means he changed. He hasn't. This is a man who- if he changed his views on anything- wouldn't be shy about it. Why is this so important to you? What Joe Rogan believes? Or disbelieves? How many unbelievers host talk shows or news reports about any cryptid subject? Most! The real question here? Is what do you think about Bob Gymlan and his theory? He could be talking to Joe Rogan or Phil Donahue.🤷♂️ 2
NorCalWitness Posted December 12 Author Posted December 12 18 hours ago, Backdoc said: When someone says something on video it proves that person did say actually what they said. This applies to the famous and non-famous alike. For some, the rules are different for Joe Rogan. They can explain why. I can't. I treat all these people equally. If someone made a statement, then they made a statement. We can like or dislike the person making the statement but what was said is what was said. When we are lucky enough to have it one video, we get the exact words and even the tone offered. It has the advantage of being proof. I showed a video of what Rogan said exactly. If someone is a Rogan fan or not, the video is for all to see. People can choose to watch it or not. If they do there will be no denying what he said. Unless he changed his position, that is his position. To be fair to him or any other person, you only attribute to a person they things the person actually said. If Rogan has changed his position, I am asking for anyone to show us. Show us because it's only fair to update a person's position to what they presently believe vs chaining them to any past belief IF it is no longer their belief. Until someone shows Rogan has changed his views, his past stated views stand. Why wouldn't they. If Rogan no longer believes what he said, then show us. <--- That is too demanding for some to handle. You clearly didn't watch the clip. Also, having Gymlan on his show indicates that he likes the subject matter himself. He is big enough that he can choose who he has on and does it based on his own interests. 1
Huntster Posted December 12 Posted December 12 8 hours ago, norseman said: ..........The real question here? Is what do you think about Bob Gymlan and his theory?............ I find Gymlan to be interesting and entertaining. I absolutely love the introduction to every video!: "Hi. I'm Bob Gymlan." Moreover, he choses very interesting stories to portray, and has a speaking style that tends to be devoid of emotion and hype. His presentation is calm, dry, frank, and effective. I can easily see why Rogan, as an internet presentation, would be interested in Gymlan himself even more than sasquatchery itself. 1
Doug Posted December 12 Posted December 12 I really like Bob Gymlan's videos. For all the reasons mentioned. I have never watched a full Joe Rogan video, so I have nothing to say about that. 1
Backdoc Posted December 13 Posted December 13 On 12/12/2024 at 2:17 AM, norseman said: Why is this so important to you? What Joe Rogan believes? Or disbelieves? It isn't. Just forced to answer a bully. I was attacked by someone. You can see what I said and what his response was. Imagine the civility if the poster could have just asked, "Why is that?". What does it say when he attributed all kinds of things to me personally. When someone is a bully, I don't take that lying down esp when someone attributes something to me I never said. Ask yourself Why would someone be so defensive about some internet guy where a poster would feel the need to insult a person (me) whom they know nothing about. They don't know me personally. I have never expressed a political view (and know it is forbidden on the BFF anyway) but this guy has some kind of crystal ball to know my views and feelings on a lot of things. All he needs is someone to say, "You lost me at Rogan" and then he knows all. Rogan is not important to me. Answering a bully is. Interesting the Bully decides to imagine where I am coming from, but I can post an actual video of what Rogan actually said, and excuses are made for what Rogan actually said. Me <--- Here is what I imagine you stand for Rogan <--- Please Joe can I pretend you didn't say that and make excuses for why you did I hope we can get to a point where someone can say their view and that is OK be it view, we agree with or not. Attacks and attributing things to a poster really shouldn't have a place on the BFF. I can't believe there is anyone on the BFF who would defend the behavior. I'll see you guys on the other threads. 3
norseman Posted December 13 Admin Posted December 13 26 minutes ago, Backdoc said: It isn't. Just forced to answer a bully. I was attacked by someone. You can see what I said and what his response was. Imagine the civility if the poster could have just asked, "Why is that?". What does it say when he attributed all kinds of things to me personally. When someone is a bully, I don't take that lying down esp when someone attributes something to me I never said. Ask yourself Why would someone be so defensive about some internet guy where a poster would feel the need to insult a person (me) whom they know nothing about. They don't know me personally. I have never expressed a political view (and know it is forbidden on the BFF anyway) but this guy has some kind of crystal ball to know my views and feelings on a lot of things. All he needs is someone to say, "You lost me at Rogan" and then he knows all. Rogan is not important to me. Answering a bully is. Interesting the Bully decides to imagine where I am coming from, but I can post an actual video of what Rogan actually said, and excuses are made for what Rogan actually said. Me <--- Here is what I imagine you stand for Rogan <--- Please Joe can I pretend you didn't say that and make excuses for why you did I hope we can get to a point where someone can say their view and that is OK be it view, we agree with or not. Attacks and attributing things to a poster really shouldn't have a place on the BFF. I can't believe there is anyone on the BFF who would defend the behavior. I'll see you guys on the other threads. The “bully” in question is in his mind defending the clip he posted IMO. I come to this conclusion, because I have found myself cross with him as well. It was a tree break video he posted awhile back. Some people get emotionally attached to content they share. And as a forum we walk a fine line between encouraging people to share content. But at the same time accepting that people will debate or even ridicule said content. I think in this case? It would be best to split this thread in half and make a Joe Rogan thread to talk about Joe Rogan and keep the original thread about Bob Gymlan. 1
bipedalist Posted December 14 BFF Patron Posted December 14 (edited) On 12/4/2024 at 12:16 PM, Backdoc said: Cromag You illustrate a point they made on the Podcast Astonishing Legends: They said serious people like Jeff Meldrum and others have to be so very careful. They want to engage with people in the 'Bigfoot world'. The Meldrum types have to be cautious not just of people who are using some bad science but making crazy or fringe claims. They don't want to be lumped in with the crazy claims or the crazy person. I'd say Bigfoot stealing crosses sounds a bit crazy to me. We need serious people with strong credentials doing the Bigfoot work. Lacking that, the vacuum of good experts is filled by well-meaning people who are not the best to represent the Bigfoot view. Some are an outright embarrassment. ( See the Bigfoot Massacre Theory of the PGF- Yikes!) (I would encourage anyone to listen to the 7 episodes from Astonishing Legends the PGF on YouTube. They even have one entire episode as an interview Bill Munns) Let's recapitulate, Meldrum, the late John Bindernagel and Survivorman were all over Todd Standing. They all had convenient opt out clauses for endorsing hoaxers, that my friend is a done deal. Embarrassment loses out to PR and speaking circuit and social media platforms these days it seems. Here is the link to the whole enchilada: (caution: adult language, lol) Edited December 14 by bipedalist
bipedalist Posted December 14 BFF Patron Posted December 14 (edited) On 12/12/2024 at 3:30 PM, Doug said: I really like Bob Gymlan's videos. For all the reasons mentioned. I have never watched a full Joe Rogan video, so I have nothing to say about that. From the little I have seen and heard from him, he seems to be articulate and knowledgeable. I will probably subscribe and review more stuff. He likes Bob Dylan and Bigfoot and the PGF and Bob Gimlin, now who in their right mind couldn't like that. Never been a big fan of the JR but I can tolerate review of someone elses faves to form my own opinions. I remember when this BG first hit my feed and I was confused and a little pissed he had expropriated a good researchers name, the explanation on the full length video I posted helped me there, a little sneaky creative but I can dig it. I do wish that JR vid contained more discussion about BF and less about other anomalous cryptids and paranormal and natural predatory experiences but it is entertainment and I get it. Edited December 14 by bipedalist
NorCalWitness Posted December 14 Author Posted December 14 On 12/13/2024 at 11:05 AM, Backdoc said: It isn't. Just forced to answer a bully. I was attacked by someone. You can see what I said and what his response was. Imagine the civility if the poster could have just asked, "Why is that?". What does it say when he attributed all kinds of things to me personally. When someone is a bully, I don't take that lying down esp when someone attributes something to me I never said. Ask yourself Why would someone be so defensive about some internet guy where a poster would feel the need to insult a person (me) whom they know nothing about. They don't know me personally. I have never expressed a political view (and know it is forbidden on the BFF anyway) but this guy has some kind of crystal ball to know my views and feelings on a lot of things. All he needs is someone to say, "You lost me at Rogan" and then he knows all. Rogan is not important to me. Answering a bully is. Interesting the Bully decides to imagine where I am coming from, but I can post an actual video of what Rogan actually said, and excuses are made for what Rogan actually said. Me <--- Here is what I imagine you stand for Rogan <--- Please Joe can I pretend you didn't say that and make excuses for why you did I hope we can get to a point where someone can say their view and that is OK be it view, we agree with or not. Attacks and attributing things to a poster really shouldn't have a place on the BFF. I can't believe there is anyone on the BFF who would defend the behavior. I'll see you guys on the other threads. I posted a video, you attacked the interviewer and didn't contribute anything to the conversation with your snarky little girl post. When you derail conversation, I am going to call you out. You seem really triggered. Sad.
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