NorCalWitness Posted January 11 Posted January 11 the autism analogy is lazy, ignorant and makes us look like **** fools. Noel is a charlatan. Stop anthropomorphizing these beings. It's ridiculous.
bipedalist Posted January 11 BFF Patron Posted January 11 Wow, you are not opinionated are you, lol. To each his own, Noel has his place though I thought his stick structure book was weak compared with what is collected by Washington state and North Carolina standards. I thought the Impossible Visits scenarios were weak in some respects as I followed some of those experiencers in early online bulletin boards, chatrooms etc. That does not mean they all were. I believe the genetic and biomarker dna variant and SNP research will be the true tale of the tape and it sounds like we are on the cusp of some fairly keen breakthroughs re: Neanderthal and ASD. Where Sasquatch fits into that scheme may never be known. But you have to interpolate and extrapolate the knowns to address the unknowns. My opinion is they are closer to human than gorilla that is for sure, that is if they are a biological entity to begin with, lol.
Huntster Posted January 11 Posted January 11 1 hour ago, NorCalWitness said: .........Stop anthropomorphizing these beings. It's ridiculous. If I could only force them to only walk quadrupedally and grow a tail.......... 1
MIB Posted January 11 Moderator Posted January 11 3 hours ago, Trogluddite said: A freaking African lion, female I presume, because there is no huge mane. Two people I've heard from, both hunters .. at least occasional cougar hunters .. swear they saw a female African lion, not mountain lion, in the same canyon, and I'm almost certain the two people don't know each other. It's .. interesting. Both were a couple decades back so I assume "Ms Kitty" is dead by now, but still .. interesting. Wasn't standing still, she was motoring for cover.
Trogluddite Posted January 12 Posted January 12 ^^ Always the possibility of an escaped or released illegal exotic pet.
Huntster Posted January 12 Posted January 12 20 minutes ago, Trogluddite said: ^^ Always the possibility of an escaped or released illegal exotic pet. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tiger-killed-near-reagan-library/ Quote Authorities shot and killed a tiger Wednesday that had been roaming the hills near the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library.........
Catmandoo Posted January 12 Posted January 12 On 1/10/2025 at 5:43 PM, MIB said: My theory is it improves depth perception by allowing viewing of something from greater separation than just eye-width. I think it goes hand in hand with their reputed phenomenal aim and power when throwing, when using throwing as a weapon or hunting tool. A definite maybe. Humans and some aspects of machine vision use 'contrast detection', aka edge detection, for depth-of-field focusing. Same goes for animals. If true for Sasquatch, I would call the activity 'targeting'. Be alert for anything in the 'incoming' category. Use Plan D: duck. The autism theory for Sasquatch is unfounded. Their motions could be acoustic targeting. If you have seen images of the mounted King's Guard in the UK, you have noticed that some of visitors that have special needs are wearing full surround headphones. They are not listening to radio BBC. They wear headphones to attenuate ultrasonic noise that surrounds them. Where I live, schools solicit all types of supplies for students just before their school year starts. I asked why they were asking for ear buds with mic booms. The answer; Autistic children can hear above the normal hearing threshold of about 20 kHz. It is believed that ultrasonic noise thoroughly disrupts their learning experience. The noise coming from modern lighting and electronics is alarming. Your dog and cat can hear up to about 45kHz and 64kHz respectively. Many animals can hear above 20kHz. Humans make ultrasonic noise by: breathing through your nose, rubbing your fingers together and wearing 'modern' synthetic clothing that rubs against itself to name a few. Yes, I have ultrasonic detection equipment. Your ancestors hunted while wearing leather, wool and cotton. They were/are quiet. Working backwards and referring to Sasquatch as having a mental illness in the way of autism because they can hear above humans in the ultrasonic range is ludicious. They hear us a mile away. If you get bored, put your dog close to your trail camera and watch. 2
Doodler Posted January 12 Posted January 12 Autism itself isn't a mental illness. It's a physical difference in the brain structure that manifests as different perceptions resulting in different behaviors. If those behaviors are sufficiently damaging to the life of the person exhibiting the behaviors, it can be called a disorder. But it's not an illness. I am autistic. I rock back and forth without thought because it brings the world in focus and eliminates random noise. I often do so to a beat at a half or quarter the tempo of the beat like a metronome. It gets super obvious when I'm a bit tipsy as my threshold for distractions decreases and the need to focus becomes more important. So what we call autistic in humans might be entirely neurotypical for sasquatches. It can't cause a disorder because it can't disrupt their lives (and they can't be diagnosed, they won't answer the diagnostic questions lol). Their apparent behavior certainly could be compared to the behavior of autistic humans, sharing some behaviors, but it's illogical to tie the two together because different animals have different senses and different neurological makeup. Calling them autistic is like saying a lion is broken for eating a zebra. No, that's just what lions do. 4
bipedalist Posted January 12 BFF Patron Posted January 12 (edited) I'm not discounting any theories of Sasquatch characteristics or behavior since we have no Jane Goodall's of the squatch as of yet. Anthopomorphizing is a common way to test theories of unknowns to some extent. Compare and contrast. For example, something with a pincer grasp in the woods besides Boy Scouts and bored humans takes to elaborate geometric patterning making use of cellulose in it's varied forms. Something in the woods with speech producing vocal cords (besides humans) can create phonemes and animalistic tapestries and assemblages of sounds and the captures are evidence of something with unusual capacities in that regard. If you call that anthropomorphizing then it works for me. ASD is a complex spectrum of symptoms creating a disorder of language, socialization and coordination of varying degrees including disorders of attention. It can now be identified in infants that are videotaped. Along with the disorder can come huge strengths and savant-type skills in many. I have spent 40 years of my life in the study of autism and ASD so excuse me for the abstract or summary here. ASD can be found in the DSM-V but it is not psychopathology in the true sense of the word-- although earlier theories in child psychiatry tried to force that square peg in the round hole-- that said ADHD, anxiety and obsesssive-compulsive behaviors can be comorbid in individual cases. I agree the swaying can be like the echolocation of a barred owl moving it's head to triangulate prey so I see auditory and visual advantages to the tactic. Perhaps like many things there are manifold advantages of movements like that in Sasquatch. Then again, it may be a separate and distinct movement disorder which is fodder for an entire thread. Edited January 12 by bipedalist 1
norseman Posted January 12 Admin Posted January 12 To speculate that Sasquatch exhibits autistic traits IS NOT an attempt to anthropomorphize it. Quite the opposite. It would appear it did not evolve in our species, but is exhibited in Homo Sapiens and Neanderthals hybridization. Just look at the facts. Sasquatch reportedly doesn’t like daytime or is sensitive to light. Sasquatch are not found in large social groups. Sasquatch likes solitude and wild places. Interestingly Grendel in the story of Beowulf attacks Heorot the mead hall because the Vikings partying there drove him crazy. The noise… Sasquatch are clumsy when it comes to tool manufacturing or use or they simply avoid it, from a Homo Sapiens perspective. If Neanderthals are the source of autism in Homo Sapiens? How many other archaic hominid species like Neanderthals also exhibited similar behaviors? Imagine living in a cave in Ice age Europe. Your small family unit may be the only humans you have ever known in your life. It’s dark, it’s cold, it’s lonely, it’s brutal. Most modern humans would go crazy in a situation like that. It’s well known that suicide rates are higher in places like Alaska or Russia. Autism is a coping mechanism that has manifested itself by mistake in our species. Because we build cities, we sing, we dance, we make art, we are highly social. It’s probably why we are still here and Neanderthals are not. Quite frankly Sasquatch makes Neanderthals look like modern humans by comparison. Sasquatch exhibits more autistic characteristics than Neanderthals do by a wide margin. This simply could be the march of evolution at play. It’s not a ridiculous assertion, it’s quite valid. I am not suggesting that Sasquatch is just a Homo Sapien suffering from autism, or even a hybrid. But making the assumption that Sasquatch and Humans are distant cousins? It’s entirely plausible that we share much more than bipedalism.🤷♂️ 1 2
Doug Posted January 12 Posted January 12 I was watching bald faced hornets hunting flys in my goat pen. I knew they were about to give chase when they started rocking back and forth. When my stepdaughters parrot was contemplating mayhem, it would start rocking back and forth. 2
bipedalist Posted January 13 BFF Patron Posted January 13 (edited) On 1/11/2025 at 6:26 PM, Huntster said: If I could only force them to only walk quadrupedally and grow a tail.......... I want to see that video of @Huntster with one on a leash! 2 hours ago, Doug said: I was watching bald faced hornets hunting flys in my goat pen. I knew they were about to give chase when they started rocking back and forth. When my stepdaughters parrot was contemplating mayhem, it would start rocking back and forth. Great point, praying mantis have a similar mechanism before snapping the trap too BTW! Both mantis and hornets have compound eyes; mantis have a form of stereovision and hornets have the advantage of low light sensors between their eyes that could keep you hopping even dawn to dusk. Edited January 13 by bipedalist
Huntster Posted January 13 Posted January 13 53 minutes ago, bipedalist said: I want to see that video of @Huntster with one on a leash!........ He refused to behave on lead, sooooo......... 2
NorCalWitness Posted January 13 Posted January 13 21 hours ago, norseman said: To speculate that Sasquatch exhibits autistic traits IS NOT an attempt to anthropomorphize it. Quite the opposite. It would appear it did not evolve in our species, but is exhibited in Homo Sapiens and Neanderthals hybridization. Just look at the facts. Sasquatch reportedly doesn’t like daytime or is sensitive to light. Sasquatch are not found in large social groups. Sasquatch likes solitude and wild places. Interestingly Grendel in the story of Beowulf attacks Heorot the mead hall because the Vikings partying there drove him crazy. The noise… Sasquatch are clumsy when it comes to tool manufacturing or use or they simply avoid it, from a Homo Sapiens perspective. If Neanderthals are the source of autism in Homo Sapiens? How many other archaic hominid species like Neanderthals also exhibited similar behaviors? Imagine living in a cave in Ice age Europe. Your small family unit may be the only humans you have ever known in your life. It’s dark, it’s cold, it’s lonely, it’s brutal. Most modern humans would go crazy in a situation like that. It’s well known that suicide rates are higher in places like Alaska or Russia. Autism is a coping mechanism that has manifested itself by mistake in our species. Because we build cities, we sing, we dance, we make art, we are highly social. It’s probably why we are still here and Neanderthals are not. Quite frankly Sasquatch makes Neanderthals look like modern humans by comparison. Sasquatch exhibits more autistic characteristics than Neanderthals do by a wide margin. This simply could be the march of evolution at play. It’s not a ridiculous assertion, it’s quite valid. I am not suggesting that Sasquatch is just a Homo Sapien suffering from autism, or even a hybrid. But making the assumption that Sasquatch and Humans are distant cousins? It’s entirely plausible that we share much more than bipedalism.🤷♂️ You raise some fascinating points, but I’d argue that your reasoning anthropomorphizes Sasquatch in ways you might not realize. Anthropomorphizing isn’t limited to assuming human-like traits outright—it also includes projecting human psychological, neurological, or social characteristics onto non-human creatures, even if those creatures share a distant evolutionary connection. Here’s why your analysis leans toward anthropomorphism: Projecting Autism Traits as Human Concepts: Autism is a framework we’ve developed to understand neurodiversity within Homo sapiens. Applying this to Sasquatch assumes that behaviors we interpret as "autistic" in humans are indicative of similar neurological underpinnings in Sasquatch. But this conflates human-specific conditions with behaviors that could be entirely natural adaptations for a hypothetical, solitary, wild hominid species. Human-Centric Explanations for Solitary Behavior: You link Sasquatch’s supposed preference for solitude or aversion to light with human social and sensory preferences. These traits may be survival strategies—such as avoiding predators or maintaining a low profile—rather than indicators of a neurological condition akin to autism. A nocturnal, elusive creature might favor solitude or darkness out of necessity, not as a result of a human-like neurological difference. Comparison to Neanderthals and Evolutionary Psychology: Your argument presumes that Neanderthals or other hominids exhibited traits that we now label as autistic, implying these traits must carry forward into Sasquatch. However, we lack evidence to definitively link Neanderthal behaviors to specific neurological frameworks, let alone extrapolate them to Sasquatch. Sasquatch is a unique species with its own ecological and behavioral adaptations. By interpreting its traits through a human lens—especially one informed by modern human psychology and neurology—you unintentionally attribute human-like complexity to what might just be natural behavior. Understanding Sasquatch’s behavior would require studying it in its ecological context, without human projections, to avoid inadvertently anthropomorphizing its traits.
norseman Posted January 13 Admin Posted January 13 2 hours ago, NorCalWitness said: You raise some fascinating points, but I’d argue that your reasoning anthropomorphizes Sasquatch in ways you might not realize. Anthropomorphizing isn’t limited to assuming human-like traits outright—it also includes projecting human psychological, neurological, or social characteristics onto non-human creatures, even if those creatures share a distant evolutionary connection. Here’s why your analysis leans toward anthropomorphism: Projecting Autism Traits as Human Concepts: Autism is a framework we’ve developed to understand neurodiversity within Homo sapiens. Applying this to Sasquatch assumes that behaviors we interpret as "autistic" in humans are indicative of similar neurological underpinnings in Sasquatch. But this conflates human-specific conditions with behaviors that could be entirely natural adaptations for a hypothetical, solitary, wild hominid species. Human-Centric Explanations for Solitary Behavior: You link Sasquatch’s supposed preference for solitude or aversion to light with human social and sensory preferences. These traits may be survival strategies—such as avoiding predators or maintaining a low profile—rather than indicators of a neurological condition akin to autism. A nocturnal, elusive creature might favor solitude or darkness out of necessity, not as a result of a human-like neurological difference. Comparison to Neanderthals and Evolutionary Psychology: Your argument presumes that Neanderthals or other hominids exhibited traits that we now label as autistic, implying these traits must carry forward into Sasquatch. However, we lack evidence to definitively link Neanderthal behaviors to specific neurological frameworks, let alone extrapolate them to Sasquatch. Sasquatch is a unique species with its own ecological and behavioral adaptations. By interpreting its traits through a human lens—especially one informed by modern human psychology and neurology—you unintentionally attribute human-like complexity to what might just be natural behavior. Understanding Sasquatch’s behavior would require studying it in its ecological context, without human projections, to avoid inadvertently anthropomorphizing its traits. What came first? The chicken or the egg? Necessity? Survival? Genetics? What shapes a species neurology? Were Neanderthals more social or less social than modern humans? And why is it that their genetic legacy in Homo Sapiens is seen as a detriment when it manifests itself as autism? Evidently you didn’t read the article. We have genetic evidence that autism is linked to Neanderthal genes carried in modern humans. So this negates your first point completely. And partially your second and third points as well. I simply extrapolated that this behavior may have been present in other archaic hominid species too. Who lived a similar lifestyle. Or in Sasquatches case? A reported similar lifestyle. In Neanderthals? We have archaeological evidence as well….. not just genetic markers. We have also mapped their entire genome. And what we see in their genes aligns with what we see in digs. And how is that working out? Studying Sasquatch in its “ecological context”. Whats amazing is that people like Jane Goodall? Also draw similarities with our closest living relatives, the Chimpanzee. And I am pretty sure no one is accusing her of anthropomorphism. https://janegoodall.ca/our-stories/chimp-human-similarities/ Chimpanzees? Are not even bipedal? So if we share traits with a Chimpanzee? We damn sure will share traits with a Sasquatch! Shared traits don’t interest me though. What interests me are the traits we don’t share. Because maybe one of them is a chink in the armor. Running around with your hair on fire trying to drive a wedge between Humans and Sasquatch? Isn’t productive. The more we learn about our ancestors behaviors and how they may manifest themselves in humans? Could help us with discovery. Which is the end goal. 1 1
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