norseman Posted January 19 Admin Author Posted January 19 5 minutes ago, Huntster said: Sorry. I musta' missed that in the storyline. No worries bud.
BobbyO Posted January 21 SSR Team Posted January 21 On 1/19/2025 at 12:56 AM, norseman said: I was on an OP group get together when this guy had just gone missing, pretty sure DR and a few others joined the active search. There was a sighting (nothing to do with the OP but close to where we were) up at Sol Duc in that time frame by a women who was watching a black head pop up from behind a rock up on a ridge then duck back down over and over for a while, up near the Hot Springs. On 1/19/2025 at 4:03 AM, norseman said: I too saw Derek in the video. It would be nice to know if this was an accurate portrayal or click bait. But if 3 hikers remains separated by a decade all end up in the same exact spot? Thats not a predator. Thats either a human or Sasquatch. And the phone footage if real is super creepy as well. I still say that some of the 411 missing data base has some merit. Much of it mundane. Some of it is beyond bizarre. Ahhh there we go, i'll watch the video this evening..
Explorer Posted January 21 Posted January 21 I have not watched the video posted above, but I did read the book about the disappearance of Jacob Gray and wrote a book review back in 2020 in BFF (see link below). I thought it was a good book, but there was nothing related to Sasquatch in this sad case. 1 3
norseman Posted January 21 Admin Author Posted January 21 1 hour ago, Explorer said: I have not watched the video posted above, but I did read the book about the disappearance of Jacob Gray and wrote a book review back in 2020 in BFF (see link below). I thought it was a good book, but there was nothing related to Sasquatch in this sad case. So no other two missing hikers remains found with Jacob. And no cell phone footage of a mysterious dark figure on the ridge. Click bait.🫤 Thank you! 1
bipedalist Posted January 21 BFF Patron Posted January 21 I figured the OP must have been involved with Derek, sorry I missed the original book report of the incident, sounds like a good read. Sounds like they provided a great deal of help and comfort so kudos to that crew during the search.
Trogluddite Posted January 21 Posted January 21 Okay, forgive me for I am about to be a royal party pooper. Jacob Gray's last known position when he disappeared (based on the initial discovery of his bike and gear) was near the Sol Duc Hot Springs Road just off State Route 110 and near Lake Crescent. See http://www.mibsar.com/Cases/Gray/Gray.html. According to newspapers at the time that his remains were discovered (see, e.g., https://www.kitsapdailynews.com/news/update-remains-confirmed-as-hiker-missing-since-2017-in-olympic-national-park/ but you have to disable ad blockers), he was found in a remote area of the Daniel J. Evans Wilderness somewhere "near" Hoh Lake in the Olympic National Park. A very rough straight line distance is 13 miles, but it was probably a longer hike than that from his start point to where he was recovered. It is easy to see a scenario where he started off on what he thought would be an easy hike and became disoriented or injured. That same newspaper article describes that the remains were found by a field crew of Olympic National Park employees and volunteers (later identified in the article as marmot biologists). The article says nothing about finding other bones anywhere near the body, nothing about finding arrows stuck in the ground, and nothing about a phone being recovered. Contrary to what the video claims, Jacob left Port Townsend to bike cross-country from Washington to Vermont, where his brother lived, not "to head into the Olympic Mountains." See https://charleyproject.org/case/jacob-randall-gray. There is no indication that he had a compound bow and arrows with him. See http://www.mibsar.com/Cases/Gray/Gray.html, with the list of items to look out for at the end. See also the link to the next news article, below, which states that the trailer contained food, clothing, emergency blankets, bike repair items and a first-aid kit, sleeping bag, tent, tarp and pocket survival guides, according to the [National Park Service's S&R] report. When remains were found, the marmot biologists found abandoned equipment and clothing, not "a bone hidden in a dense patch of forest." In fact, the law enforcement agency in charge of the recovery reported that what was initially found does not make investigators believe foul play was involved. See the newspaper article above. A forensic anthropologist determined that he probably died of natural causes. See https://www.peninsuladailynews.com/news/hiker-probably-died-of-natural-causes/. Given the number of blatant misstatements of fact, whether done erroneously or intentionally, I just stopped checking every line of the transcript here. However, the missing Canadian hunter is likely Maxime Jacques, not "Jack" or Jacques Maxim. See https://www.facebook.com/people/Maxime-Jacques-of-Trois-Rivieres-Qc-Canada-Missing/100066868935840/. I will defer to our Canadian brothers and sisters in the search, but I believe he's missing in Quebec. I couldn't find a Diane Bruno (or Jacques Maxim) in Canada's (shockingly large) missing person database, but there is a Diane who went missing in St. Bruno. The point of all this (if I have any) is not to dissuade people from sharing spooky and enjoyable stories. But given the growth of Bigfoot as a profit center, necessary to support real researchers and just pure gravy for story tellers, coupled with AI, is providing way too many of these stories, which risk drowning out valid research... Kudos to Bigfooters in the area for pitching in on the S&R effort; competent searchers are always necessary. I'll be outside shaking my fist at the clouds if anyone is looking for me.... 1
FLY Posted January 22 Posted January 22 This Channel regularly promotes false stories embellished to make them more frightening and proof of existence of cryptics. Several days ago I watched their video "The Vanishing of Thomas Burd The Alaskan Horror and Bigfoot Encounter" It, like this video provided details, photos and even a realistic video purported to have been found on the victims phone of some creature banging on a trailer and growling. I looked it up and found no missing Thomas Burd. But I did find his photo under a missing person report named THOMAS SEIBOLD. Who contrary to the video did not leave a journal detailing him being followed by some creature or a camera phone video. "Published: December 9, 2012 Weeks ago, winter locked the Brooks Range mountains of Alaska's far northwest in its long, cold embrace, and it's clear that out there somewhere near the Arctic edge of the North American continent lies the body of Thomas Seibold. A search by Alaska State Troopers, complicated by no clear idea of where exactly to look for the German-born adventurer, ended in November. Friends and coworkers of Seibold from the Teaching Drum Outdoor School in Three Lakes, Wisc., took up the hunt afterwards, but they have gone home after a last-ditch effort found no trace. ( Anchorage Daily News). The guy from the YT channel " The outdoor Gear Review" has related that he has found clips from his videos on other channels purporting to say him being attacked or disappearing because of Bigfoot. There's a lot of ******** out there 1 3
MIB Posted January 22 Moderator Posted January 22 On 1/18/2025 at 8:03 PM, norseman said: I still say that some of the 411 missing data base has some merit. Much of it mundane. Some of it is beyond bizarre. I concur. I think most of the cases are slightly misrepresented. If accurately described, some are just plain weird. Very uncomfortably weird. On 1/18/2025 at 8:19 PM, norseman said: I had a buddy once in Idaho claim he came upon a lair. A small box canyon with hundreds of deer and elk bones in it. Interesting. Roughly what part of the state? I got into part of the Bitterroots a decade or so ago. It was a lot wetter than I expected despite being August and had brush / cover every bit as thick as I'm used to in the Oregon coast range. That was very much a surprise to me. I want to go back. 1
norseman Posted January 22 Admin Author Posted January 22 2 hours ago, MIB said: I concur. I think most of the cases are slightly misrepresented. If accurately described, some are just plain weird. Very uncomfortably weird. Interesting. Roughly what part of the state? I got into part of the Bitterroots a decade or so ago. It was a lot wetter than I expected despite being August and had brush / cover every bit as thick as I'm used to in the Oregon coast range. That was very much a surprise to me. I want to go back. Salmon River country. Same area as were the Teddy Roosevelt Bauman story originated. Way south. The ITR is the only one of its kind in the world. Inland Temperate Rainforest. The western edge of the northern Rockies acts very similar to the Cascades in terms of trapping moisture on the west slope and creating a rain shadow on the east slope. But the Rockies are more complicated. What we call the Rockies is actually many mountain ranges all grouped together. The Rockies are much wider than the Cascades. Lots of little micro climates of wet and dry. With the forest changing from pine to fir and other species too depending on rainfall. Sandpoint Idaho is wet. And Columbia Falls Montana is wet but places in between like Ronan Montana are drier. If you ever wanna come over and explore North Idaho? Just say the word!👍 2
Trogluddite Posted January 22 Posted January 22 On 1/18/2025 at 11:03 PM, norseman said: I still say that some of the 411 missing data base has some merit. Much of it mundane. Some of it is beyond bizarre. Even normal searches can be beyond bizarre. Two members of my old team participated in a search in New York for a missing hunter; that missing hunter was later featured in one of the 4-1-1- books and the first 4-1-1- tv show. That was a very small, well defined initial search area (as these things go), it was an experienced hunter, and there was only a short gap in time between the time/location last seen and the disappearance. Nothing was found in the searches over the next week. There's a small park in the lower Hudson Valley (Sam's Point area of Minnewaska State Park) where a young man went missing 40 years ago and no trace has been found. A search was conducted for a Canadian skier who went missing at the Whiteface Ski resort in NY; it was called off when he alerted everyone that he was alive and well ... in California. On 1/18/2025 at 11:19 PM, norseman said: I see FLIR and zoom lens for cell phones. I have no idea how well they work. I had a buddy once in Idaho claim he came upon a lair. A small box canyon with hundreds of deer and elk bones in it. Whatever it was? Was going through a lot of effort to bring that many animals to this one location. Not something a bear or cougar or wolves does. Almost like what we see in archaeological digs with our early ancestors. 🤷♂️ I was gifted a FLIR that attached to an old cellphone. It was serviceable for pictures taken up close, but I didn't find a way to test it in the woods. It was clunky and drained the battery quickly. The box canyon story is interesting; I have to wonder how long an accumulation of bones like that described would take to be built up, and how long it would last. On 1/19/2025 at 12:58 AM, bipedalist said: "I am somewhat familiar with the Jacob Gray story, however, much of the YouTube's version sounded highly unlikely, so I did a quick Google search. Surprise... Jacques Maxime disappeared in Manitoba, Canada and Diane Bonneau disappeared in Quebec. Sorry friends, their remains weren't found in the Solduc near Jacob Gray's. No other human remains were found near Jacob's body, either. That information alone puts the rest of the sinister parts of this story into question. In reality, Jacob's story is quite similar to many other young men who went missing or died while hiking in the Pacific Northwest and Alaska. They were loners, had troubled relationships, hiked alone, and weren't prepared for what they might experience in the wilds." This is what I get for skimming the thread - missed that you had already identified the other two missing people identified in the video. 1
FLY Posted January 23 Posted January 23 4 hours ago, norseman said: Salmon River country. Same area as were the Teddy Roosevelt Bauman story originated. Way south. The ITR is the only one of its kind in the world. Inland Temperate Rainforest. The western edge of the northern Rockies acts very similar to the Cascades in terms of trapping moisture on the west slope and creating a rain shadow on the east slope. But the Rockies are more complicated. What we call the Rockies is actually many mountain ranges all grouped together. The Rockies are much wider than the Cascades. Lots of little micro climates of wet and dry. With the forest changing from pine to fir and other species too depending on rainfall. Sandpoint Idaho is wet. And Columbia Falls Montana is wet but places in between like Ronan Montana are drier. If you ever wanna come over and explore North Idaho? Just say the word!👍 The T R story always intrigued me. I've spent hours pouring over google maps looking for descriptions mentioned in the story. I saw a couple video's several years back ,by some guy driving up a canyon who said it was the location. Has anyone actually identified the location?
norseman Posted January 23 Admin Author Posted January 23 2 hours ago, FLY said: The T R story always intrigued me. I've spent hours pouring over google maps looking for descriptions mentioned in the story. I saw a couple video's several years back ,by some guy driving up a canyon who said it was the location. Has anyone actually identified the location? The wisdom river was renamed the big hole river. But the town of Wisdom Montana remains. And the on the south side is Salmon Idaho. The mountain range between those two drainages is called the Beaverhead Mtns. My buddies family owned the tavern in Leadore, Idaho. Which is why he was down there. I don’t know if anyone knows the exact spot by I did find a “Bloody Dick Mountain”!😳
norseman Posted January 23 Admin Author Posted January 23 https://www.fs.usda.gov/recarea/bdnf/recarea/?recid=5671
Huntster Posted January 23 Posted January 23 13 minutes ago, norseman said: ............. I did find a “Bloody Dick Mountain” https://www.facebook.com/SkinnyDicksHalfwayInnREAL/
norseman Posted January 23 Admin Author Posted January 23 3 hours ago, Huntster said: https://www.facebook.com/SkinnyDicksHalfwayInnREAL/ Must be a brother!?😂 1
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