USDA to cut 112 million acres of national forest

[RedHawk454]

literally posting "it looks good on paper" stats is fine, but theres a lot of assumptions being made about the infinitesimal stats of the timber thats going to be felled.  

[RedHawk454]

3 minutes ago, NorCalWitness said:

1. so you are concerned about an unknown future, which falls outside of any plans anyone actually has? so, the boogie man?

2. the reason that there aren't forests in the midwest (there are plenty of forests in the midwest) is 100% most certainly not because of humans burning them to the ground for hunting. this is insane and makes me question your reading comprehension abilities. 

 

yes.  It wouldn't be the first time humans didnt exploit natural resources and rape the land in the name of profit

 

I'm talking about kansas up to north dakota.  There isnt jack #4%^ when compared to the woods of the west.  

Edited 22 hours ago by RedHawk454

[RedHawk454]

Do you guys know the story behind the largest and heaviest man made land object?

 

 

 

it was called the Captain. Also known as Marion 6360.  it weighed 30 million pounds.  A hydraulic line burst and caught the whole thing on fire.

 

the companies response?

 

the buried the freaking machine underground and left a huge poison pill in the Earth.

 

 

point being companies can and have (historically) have had little care for long lasting Environmental damage in the name of making a quick buck.

 

and im a gun toting 3x Trump voter thats anti EV that drives a Ford with a 7.3 liter Gas v8, but i'm not gonna side with the Trump administration on every. single. issue 

 

Edited 22 hours ago by RedHawk454

[NorCalWitness]

8 minutes ago, RedHawk454 said:

 

yes.  It wouldn't be the first time humans didnt exploit natural resources and rape the land in the name of profit

 

I'm talking about kansas up to north dakota.  There isnt jack #4%^ when compared to the woods of the west.  

the Great Plains stretch over the states you mention, but your claim of human's creating fires, burning down forests, so now we have the Great Plains is absurd. 

[norseman]

43 minutes ago, RedHawk454 said:

Do you guys know the story behind the largest and heaviest man made land object?

 

 

 

it was called the Captain. Also known as Marion 6360.  it weighed 30 million pounds.  A hydraulic line burst and caught the whole thing on fire.

 

the companies response?

 

the buried the freaking machine underground and left a huge poison pill in the Earth.

 

 

point being companies can and have (historically) have had little care for long lasting Environmental damage in the name of making a quick buck.

 

and im a gun toting 3x Trump voter thats anti EV that drives a Ford with a 7.3 liter Gas v8, but i'm not gonna side with the Trump administration on every. single. issue 

 

 

Human civilization was built on metal, wood, food, stone, etc...

 

Capitalism isnt perfect, but there is nothing even remotely comparable. And Modern logging is a sustainable future. I dont want every stick taken out of the woods either.

 

 

[Will]

1 hour ago, RedHawk454 said:

 

 

its a theory but the reason we dont have forests in the midwest (such as kansas) is because thousands of years ago humans burned everything to the ground to drive animals out of the woods to be hunted..

 

 

I doubt that completely. The vast majority of fires during that time was caused by lightning, humans couldn’t stop any fire. Humans causing one or hundreds of fires wouldn’t create millions of acres grasslands to form. 
 

Im not really sure where you’re going with this. 
 

Timber management is good, needed and probably would help the bigfeet since it would create cover and food. I doubt they would even notice though.

[Will]

1 hour ago, RedHawk454 said:

Do you guys know the story behind the largest and heaviest man made land object?

 

 

 

it was called the Captain. Also known as Marion 6360.  it weighed 30 million pounds.  A hydraulic line burst and caught the whole thing on fire.

 

the companies response?

 

the buried the freaking machine underground and left a huge poison pill in the Earth.

 

 

point being companies can and have (historically) have had little care for long lasting Environmental damage in the name of making a quick buck.

 

and im a gun toting 3x Trump voter thats anti EV that drives a Ford with a 7.3 liter Gas v8, but i'm not gonna side with the Trump administration on every. single. issue 

 

The Earth is not fragile and It has nothing to do with Trump, science says forest management….lots of forest management is good for the environment. The modern environmental movement is about making a quick buck. One man’s environmental damage is another man’s progress for human kind. 

Edited 21 hours ago by Will

[FLY]

2 hours ago, RedHawk454 said:

 

These are also... claims.  Yes, I agree if everything being said is true than its fine but i'd be curious to see the actual result in the years to come, and thats what i'm concerned about.

 

I know the 112 million acres doesnt automatically mean 112 million acres are going to be felled but the actual end result is what im talking about.

 

 

its a theory but the reason we dont have forests in the midwest (such as kansas) is because thousands of years ago humans burned everything to the ground to drive animals out of the woods to be hunted..

 

 

 

You just lost any credibility

During the Cretaceous Period (145–66 million years ago), the Great Plains were covered by a shallow inland sea called the Western Interior Seaway. However, during the Late Cretaceous to the Paleocene (65–55 million years ago), the seaway had begun to recede, leaving behind thick marine deposits and a relatively flat terrain which the seaway had once occupied.[26]

During the Cenozoic era, specifically about 25 million years ago during the Miocene and Pliocene epochs, the continental climate became favorable to the evolution of grasslands. Existing forest biomes declined and grasslands became much more widespread.

  

[norseman]

2 hours ago, FLY said:

 

You just lost any credibility

During the Cretaceous Period (145–66 million years ago), the Great Plains were covered by a shallow inland sea called the Western Interior Seaway. However, during the Late Cretaceous to the Paleocene (65–55 million years ago), the seaway had begun to recede, leaving behind thick marine deposits and a relatively flat terrain which the seaway had once occupied.[26]

During the Cenozoic era, specifically about 25 million years ago during the Miocene and Pliocene epochs, the continental climate became favorable to the evolution of grasslands. Existing forest biomes declined and grasslands became much more widespread.

  

This is the theory I heard. Mammoths knocked down trees and expand grasslands.

 

 

[NorCalWitness]

13 hours ago, norseman said:

This is the theory I heard. Mammoths knocked down trees and expand grasslands.

 

 

your post nearly made my head explode, then I realized you were kidding. 

 

speaking of the mammoth; they have now created a dire wolf. sure, its a great story. is the company who did it liable when they take down their first human? how is this related to the mammoth? I heard Forrest Gallante talking about how mammoths are next and will be here by 2028, in the wild. I love the story, love the idea, but I can't help but wonder - is playing God a good idea? what could go wrong?

[norseman]

52 minutes ago, NorCalWitness said:

your post nearly made my head explode, then I realized you were kidding. 

 

speaking of the mammoth; they have now created a dire wolf. sure, its a great story. is the company who did it liable when they take down their first human? how is this related to the mammoth? I heard Forrest Gallante talking about how mammoths are next and will be here by 2028, in the wild. I love the story, love the idea, but I can't help but wonder - is playing God a good idea? what could go wrong?

It’s their claim, not mine.

 

What could go wrong? Another ice age (if they are right).

 

I have Canadian timber wolves on my property right now. The government transplanted them. What is my recourse? Zip, zero, nada.