USDA to cut 112 million acres of national forest

[Doug]

On 4/7/2025 at 5:33 PM, Will said:

I doubt that completely. The vast majority of fires during that time was caused by lightning, humans couldn’t stop any fire. Humans causing one or hundreds of fires wouldn’t create millions of acres grasslands to form. 
 

Im not really sure where you’re going with this. 
 

Timber management is good, needed and probably would help the bigfeet since it would create cover and food. I doubt they would even notice though.

I am not agreeing with or disagreeing with RedHawk, however, I do know for a fact that here in coastal Oregon, the natives routinely burned portions of the forest to clear the land so that it would attract game to the new, fresh growth similar to the way a clearcut does.

[norseman]

6 hours ago, RedHawk454 said:

 

The point is that I'm concerned that even more human activity in more remote areas is going to drive the species even further to isolation and possibly extinction.  

Which is why I argue for shooting one and making the species a know fact and not a mythological pixie or gnome.

 

It’s the most expedient. And land will never ever be set aside for pixies and gnomes.

 

IF they need our help we should give it to them. But we don’t even know if logging is hurtful or beneficial to them. Do ungulates make up 10 percent of their diet? Or 80 percent of their diet? Is Wolf reintroduction hurting them? By reducing ungulate numbers?

 

We just won’t know until there is rigorous scientific study.🤷‍♂️

[norseman]

35 minutes ago, Doug said:

I am not agreeing with or disagreeing with RedHawk, however, I do know for a fact that here in coastal Oregon, the natives routinely burned portions of the forest to clear the land so that it would attract game to the new, fresh growth similar to the way a clearcut does.

Which is smart. If you burn every year and stay on top of it? The fire is low intensity and doesn’t crown into the canopy and kill the mature trees. And it gets rid of the fuel load in the understory. Ungulates love it too as you stated!

[Incorrigible1]

On 4/7/2025 at 6:02 PM, RedHawk454 said:

 

yes.  It wouldn't be the first time humans didnt exploit natural resources and rape the land in the name of profit

 

I'm talking about kansas up to north dakota.  There isnt jack #4%^ when compared to the woods of the west.  

 

I do not mean to insult. This is ignorant as hell. Ignorance can be cured via education.

 

I'm a lifelong resident of the area known as the Great Plains. It's true that during historic times virgin forests did exist along the banks of Plains rivers, but were confined to those riverbank areas.

 

The states you've referenced have prairies, and have for millions of years.

 

As this continent was settled, the virgin forests were cut down to supply timber to construct homes and businesses. A shame, but a sacrifice that I doubt could have been avoided. It would be amazing to have seen the original virgin, deeply forrested lands.

[Will]

42 minutes ago, Doug said:

I am not agreeing with or disagreeing with RedHawk, however, I do know for a fact that here in coastal Oregon, the natives routinely burned portions of the forest to clear the land so that it would attract game to the new, fresh growth similar to the way a clearcut does.

Yes that’s a fact and a great argument for logging as it helps a lot of different wildlife. What Redhawk was posting is pure fantasy. 

[RedHawk454]

52 minutes ago, Incorrigible1 said:

 

I do not mean to insult. This is ignorant as hell. Ignorance can be cured via education.

 

I'm a lifelong resident of the area known as the Great Plains. It's true that during historic times virgin forests did exist along the banks of Plains rivers, but were confined to those riverbank areas.

 

The states you've referenced have prairies, and have for millions of years.

 

As this continent was settled, the virgin forests were cut down to supply timber to construct homes and businesses. A shame, but a sacrifice that I doubt could have been avoided. It would be amazing to have seen the original virgin, deeply forrested lands.

 

Theres theories ranging from the weight of glaciers, mammoths, to full scale forest burning to kill animals

 

how do you think humans made the connection between cooking meat?

 

forest fires happened  via lightning and cooked the animals and humans went in afterwards to explore.  Then they saw the cooked meat than they ate them.  They put 2 and 2 together.

 

its a theory.

[RedHawk454]

49 minutes ago, Will said:

Yes that’s a fact and a great argument for logging as it helps a lot of different wildlife. What Redhawk was posting is pure fantasy. 

 

it wouldnt say its pure fantasy.  Its an opinion that im backing up and explaing why I believe in what i say.  

 

personally, I have a theory that isnt mine which says mountains are the tree stumps of ancient, giant trees that were tens of thousands of feet high.  

 

I wouldn't be surprised if millions of years ago we had trees standing over 20,000' tall.

 

ever seen the network of coal veins under a mountain?  they look like roots.  They look like the root structure of a giant tree. Coal (such as anthracite), looks like burnt wood.  

 

 

 

 

[norseman]

30 minutes ago, RedHawk454 said:

 

Theres theories ranging from the weight of glaciers, mammoths, to full scale forest burning to kill animals

 

how do you think humans made the connection between cooking meat?

 

forest fires happened  via lightning and cooked the animals and humans went in afterwards to explore.  Then they saw the cooked meat than they ate them.  They put 2 and 2 together.

 

its a theory.

Homo Erectus was using fires well before 1.5 million years ago in Africa.

 

Cooking meat on fires was very well established in Homo Sapiens by the time they crossed the land bridge to the new world. Along with many other species of the genus Homo.

 

And Native Americans did use fires as a tool. They made habitat for the ungulates they like to eat better.

[norseman]

37 minutes ago, RedHawk454 said:

 

it wouldnt say its pure fantasy.  Its an opinion that im backing up and explaing why I believe in what i say.  

 

personally, I have a theory that isnt mine which says mountains are the tree stumps of ancient, giant trees that were tens of thousands of feet high.  

 

I wouldn't be surprised if millions of years ago we had trees standing over 20,000' tall.

 

ever seen the network of coal veins under a mountain?  they look like roots.  They look like the root structure of a giant tree. Coal (such as anthracite), looks like burnt wood.  

 

 

 

 

Thats because coal veins are roots. And vines and leaves and grass and all of the organic matter being buried in sediment and compressed over millions of years.

 

The mountains were never trees….  but they could have been the ocean floor or a flat delta that has buckled and uplifted over millions of years to form mountains.

 

Except Devils Tower! Maybe that was a giant tree!😜

 

 

[Will]

7 hours ago, RedHawk454 said:

 

it wouldnt say its pure fantasy.  Its an opinion that im backing up and explaing why I believe in what i say.  

 

personally, I have a theory that isnt mine which says mountains are the tree stumps of ancient, giant trees that were tens of thousands of feet high.  

 

I wouldn't be surprised if millions of years ago we had trees standing over 20,000' tall.

 

ever seen the network of coal veins under a mountain?  they look like roots.  They look like the root structure of a giant tree. Coal (such as anthracite), looks like burnt wood.  

 

 

 

 

No, that’s just…..criminy sakes…….never mind. 
 

Have you met Sasfooty? 

[7.62]

10 hours ago, Will said:

No, that’s just…..criminy sakes…….never mind. 
 

Have you met Sasfooty? 

"Have you met Sasfooty? "

 

[Silverback Sax]

I grew up in the PNW.  I vividly remember being a school kid from a medium sized city visiting a small logging community in the foothills of the Cascade mountains for a flag football game.  This little town was extremely poor.  Most of the homes looked like shacks and single wide trailer houses.  However, the school was almost new.  The kids had brand new uniforms.  I would later learn that school provided breakfast, lunch, and a brown bag dinner was the norm in these logging communities.  This was long before todays "free lunch" program.  Why was the school the only modern, new, and fully functional community support system?  Because timber revenues were mandated to the school systems within that county.  I am a supporter of sustainable timber harvest for ALL forests.  The trees, endangered species, forest critters, and wild hairy people will all be just fine.  I also think this new rule shoots a hole in the old theory that forestry practices were shut down by the Feds to secretly protect what some folks call Bigfoot.       

[Will]

2 hours ago, Silverback Sax said:

I grew up in the PNW.  I vividly remember being a school kid from a medium sized city visiting a small logging community in the foothills of the Cascade mountains for a flag football game.  This little town was extremely poor.  Most of the homes looked like shacks and single wide trailer houses.  However, the school was almost new.  The kids had brand new uniforms.  I would later learn that school provided breakfast, lunch, and a brown bag dinner was the norm in these logging communities.  This was long before todays "free lunch" program.  Why was the school the only modern, new, and fully functional community support system?  Because timber revenues were mandated to the school systems within that county.  I am a supporter of sustainable timber harvest for ALL forests.  The trees, endangered species, forest critters, and wild hairy people will all be just fine.  I also think this new rule shoots a hole in the old theory that forestry practices were shut down by the Feds to secretly protect what some folks call Bigfoot.       

I’m surprised in this day that so many today don’t understand or agree with management of our natural resources.