USDA to cut 112 million acres of national forest

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On 4/8/2025 at 4:57 PM, RedHawk454 said:

 

no one cares, get over it.  This a forum dedicated to BiGFo0T 

Says the guy with the wild claim of humans deforesting the great plains with fire. 

[DirtRoadYaya]

Being Loggers by trade, I am happy to see our own resources being put to use. Also as someone lives very near the unmanaged forested land I am also grateful. I only can speak to my own area and experiences. I really don't believe it will impact Bigfoot here. We have so much wilderness and Park lands that there is plenty for both. JMHO. I have to remember when forming opinions  only know what I know and don't know what I don't know. 

[georgerm]

Here are some google facts that need to be considered before we can answer the question. 

 

What's the question: Should the USDA cut 112 million acres of national forest in one year?

 

How often should they cut this much?

 

Google facts

"The US Forest Service manages approximately 193 million acres of land, encompassing 154 national forests. While the exact amount of harvest for any given year is not specified, the agency's activities related to forest management, including conservation efforts and timber harvesting, impact the land's composition and utilization,"  google

 

"Approximately 43 million acres of the US National Forest system are suitable for timber production, representing about 35% of the total 191 million acres managed by the US Forest Service. However, only a small fraction, about half a percent, is harvested in any given year. The remaining 65% of the forested land is designated for non-timber uses like wilderness, recreation, and environmental protection," GOOGLE 

 

No, BLM land is not the same as National Forest land.The BLM manages approximately 31.4 million acres of forested land, with around 16% or No, BLM land is not the same as National Forest land. Specifically, in western Oregon, the BLM manages 2.4 million acres of productive forests. google

 

The age of a lumber trees in the United States varies depending on the species and region. In the U.S. South, trees like Southern yellow pines are typically harvested after 20 to 25 years. In the Pacific Northwest, trees like Douglas-firs and western hemlocks can live and be harvested at 40 years or longer. Some oak species in Illinois, for example, can reach financial maturity at 40-60 years.

 

How can the United States Department of Agriculture (Forest Service) cut 112 million acres of national forest, when only 43 million acres are available for timber?

 

Answer? 

 

 

 

 

 

[georgerm]

Here are some google facts that need to be considered before we can answer the question. 

 

What's the question: Should the USDA cut 112 million acres of national forest in one year? 

 

Google facts

"The US Forest Service manages approximately 193 million acres of land, encompassing 154 national forests. (this is not all timber land)  While the exact amount of harvest for any given year is not specified, the agency's activities related to forest management, including conservation efforts and timber harvesting, impact the land's composition and utilization,"  google

 

"The percentage of national forest land suitable for timber harvest varies significantly by forest and region, but generally ranges from about 9% to 26%," GOOGLE   This amounts to about 18% of USDA land is suitable for timber harvest     .18 x 193,000,000 =about  34,740,000 acres of USDA land is suitable for timber harvest.  Let's say 35 million acres are suitable for timber harvest and all the trees will be gone in one year. 

 

No, BLM land is not the same as National Forest land. 

The BLM manages approximately 31.4 million acres of forested land, with around 16% or No, BLM land is not the same as National Forest land. Specifically, in western Oregon, the BLM manages 2.4 million acres of productive forests. google

 

The age of a lumber trees in the United States varies depending on the species and region. In the U.S. South, trees like Southern yellow pines are typically harvested after 20 to 25 years. In the Pacific Northwest, trees like Douglas-firs and western hemlocks can live and be harvested at 40 years or longer. Some oak species in Illinois, for example, can reach financial maturity at 40-60 years.

 

Can the United States Department of Agriculture (Forest Service) cut 112 million acres of national forest over a 1 year period? 

 

Answer?      no

[david75090]

In my opinion, if they want to manage the forest, they need to release more beaver out into the wild and let them manage the forest like they did before people nearly wiped them out.

[Catmandoo]

On 4/8/2025 at 10:56 PM, norseman said:

Homo Erectus was using fires well before 1.5 million years ago in Africa.

 

Cooking meat on fires was very well established in Homo Sapiens by the time they crossed the land bridge to the new world. Along with many other species of the genus Homo.

 

And Native Americans did use fires as a tool. They made habitat for the ungulates they like to eat better.

 

Crossing the land bridge had challenges in finding fuel for fire / cooking. It is not uncommon for peoples of high latitudes to eat raw meat. Early Arctic explorers learned to burn bones from the 'locals'.

Native Americans torched the prairies to provide a short term nutrient blast to the soil that helped new green shoots grow.

Many 'modern' people have lost track of natural ways that have evolved over millions of years. Re-read about the wisdom of the pines. Check out Serotiny with respect to 'fire-mediated serotiny' and Pyriscence and the importance of fire.

The next time that you are wandering in a pine forest and see a cone on the ground that is closed up and has not released seed, leave it alone. If you pick it up, you will be slimed by really good pitch.

[georgerm]

13 hours ago, david75090 said:

In my opinion, if they want to manage the forest, they need to release more beaver out into the wild and let them manage the forest like they did before people nearly wiped them out.

The concept of timber production on 

 

Negative Impacts:

• Tree Damage:

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  Beavers often cut down trees in riparian zones, which can damage timber stands and potentially impact forest regeneration. 

[georgerm]

14 hours ago, david75090 said:

In my opinion, if they want to manage the forest, they need to release more beaver out into the wild and let them manage the forest like they did before people nearly wiped them out.

Hello David. The concept of timber production on millions of American lands managed by the Forest Service is to get the most wood from lands that are suitable for growing Douglas Fir, hemlock, pines, and some hardwoods. Trump wants to increase timber production. "The US Forest Service manages 193 million acres of land, encompassing national forests and grasslands. Of this, approximately 43 million acres are considered suitable for timber production." google 

 

How many more millions of acres does Trump want to put in timber production?  

 

"According to google: Negative Impacts: Tree Damage: Beavers often cut down trees in riparian zones, which can damage timber stands and potentially impact forest regeneration."  Most beavers chew down trees in or next to swamp land which probably won't diminish timber production. I wonder if beavers wander into timber land next to swamps and kill timber trees? Beavers build dams that cause creeks to rise and possible possibly flood acres of timber trees in some areas which probably kills commercial grade trees.  Please find more on this subject?

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18 hours ago, david75090 said:

 

18 hours ago, david75090 said:

In my opinion, if they want to manage the forest, they need to release more beaver out into the wild and let them manage the forest like they did before people nearly wiped them out.

What they need to do....

 

[georgerm]

On 4/6/2025 at 11:14 PM, norseman said:

The federal forests around me need thinning badly. Fires get worse every year.

 

I welcome this news.

Norseman accurately touched on this important issue which is national forest thinning that will be managed partially by the Forest Service. "Forest thinning is one of the most important tools land managers have to reduce the frequency and intensity of wildfires. Through thinning, land managers can remove surface fuels such as brush and dead, dying, or weak trees that would feed a growing forest fire," google.  Thinning is an expensive process when cutting brush and small understory trees for 193 million acers of timber land is a daunting task. We are talking about hiring vast hand labor crews to cut dry brush and small trees so the forest floor is void of brush and wood that is fuel for the next mega forest fire. 

 

Before moving on, we need to clarify some confusing statements from google.

 

Statement 1: "US Forest Service does not manage 112 million acres by themselves. 

 

Statement 2: "They (Forest Service) manages a total of 193 million acres of land mostly with three other federal agencies.  112 million acres is the acreage within the National Wilderness Preservation System, which the Forest Service administers a portion of. Additionally, a recent emergency situation determination by the Secretary of Agriculture affected 112.6 million acres of National Forest System land, not necessarily the entire acreage under Forest Service management," google 

 

"The National Wilderness Preservation System (NWPS) is a network of federally designated wilderness areas managed to preserve their natural condition and provide opportunities for recreation and scientific study. Established by the Wilderness Act of 1964, the NWPS includes over 800 wilderness areas across 44 states and Puerto Rico, encompassing more than 112 million acres. These areas are managed by four federal agencies: the National Park Service, the U.S. Forest Service, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, and the Bureau of Land Management," google. 

The Forest Service manages a total of 81 million by themselves. They partially manage 112 million acres with three other federal agencies. This equals 193 million acres of land that the Forest Service has a hand in. The 112 million acres is the acreage within the National Wilderness Preservation System, which the Forest Service administers a portion of and it's not the total acreage they manage. Additionally, a recent emergency situation determination by the Secretary of Agriculture affected 112.6 million acres of federal lands.  

On 4/6/2025 at 7:07 PM, RedHawk454 said:

Following Trumps directive, the usda is going to allow the logging of 112 million acres of national forest across the USA to increase timber production.  The claim that the Trump administration is making is that it will reduce forest fires and (so they say).  This is primarily being done to increase timber production with ZERO consideration of the effect that this will have on the woods in the USA.
 

I’m worried  that this will have a negative impact on the BiGFo0Ts that are still alive.  It was the unregulated logging the 18 and 1900’s that drove them to isolation..

 

Protect our forests 

 

Land of Sasquatch

 

Dont tread on me!

Trump is going to have an uphill legal battle with the Forest Service, National Park, the Bureau of Land Management, and the National Park Service since they are probably firmly grounded with federal lands that they manage.

 

I'm sure federal wildlife biologist know and have documented bigfoots and they keep the knowledge buried. Bigfoot is sly and smart and will survive forest management programs unless all 193 million acres is clear cut.