I Know I'm Beating A Dead Horse But Bigfoot Deserves Better

[Backdoc]

49 minutes ago, CryptidTalk said:

Fair. I totally glossed over that paranormal part. But in rebuttal, I don’t believe ancient civilizations or aliens fall under the paranormal so the entire thing is pretty misleading with such a title. 

 I just grabbed a generic chart on the net to illustrate most don’t believe in Bigfoot.   I don’t claim the numbers are right or wrong.  Just to illustrate.  That’s all.   I’ll grab a diff chart next time that is not getting into the term paranormal.   
 

Maybe the terms established and not established might be better.   Either way I’m guessing whatever the number who believe in Bigfoot its not more than 50% of Americans and probably much lower than 50%.   

[Backdoc]

3 hours ago, norseman said:

If they don’t care? Then why do they run disinformation campaigns?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinformation

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Blue_Book

 

 

Well….where would I begin.   
 

I cannot accept Bigfoot would be so critical in importance to the government on the level of national security issues.    Just because the government does this (and I’d say in a justified way) doesn’t mean they would do this on some low level concern like the Bigfoot issue. 
 

 

 

3 hours ago, norseman said:

 

Are they lying about Bigfoot?

 

 

There are a lot of people and departments to make up “they”    “They” don’t respond as a collective.  What specific dept of the government is responsible for being “they”?   

 

3 hours ago, norseman said:

Are their lips moving?

 

 

 

If there was one set of lips it could be that set of lips could lie or tell the truth.   Again, our government is millions of lips and various departments moving in all kinds of different directions.  

[Backdoc]

Taking the word paranormal out of it ..just a general FYI 

 

[norseman]

4 minutes ago, Backdoc said:

 

Well….where would I begin.   
 

I cannot accept Bigfoot would be so critical in importance to the government on the level of national security issues.    Just because the government does this (and I’d say in a justified way) doesn’t mean they would do this on some low level concern like the Bigfoot issue. 
 

 

 

 

There are a lot of people and departments to make up “they”    “They” don’t respond as a collective.  What specific dept of the government is responsible for being “they”?   

 

 

If there was one set of lips it could be that set of lips could lie or tell the truth.   Again, our government is millions of lips and various departments moving in all kinds of different directions.  

You may not accept it? But if Bigfoot exists? THEY KNOW ABOUT IT. And if they don’t care? Then why the disinformation campaign? Why try to discredit the whole subject? Why USFS Bigfoot April fools jokes? How do you think that makes witnesses feel? Probably about the same as when Project Blue Book showed up at your farm in 1968, listened to your story and then smugly asked you if you had been drinking.

 

You’re trying to find some logical explanation as to why the government isn’t transparent with the American people. Good question! All I can show you is the facts that they are indeed NOT transparent with the American people in multiple subjects. With UFOs being the 800 lbs elephant in the room but there are many others.

 

Any agency that has eyes in the sky. Who looks at hours and hours of Border Patrol and Coast Guard FLIR footage? Military FLIR footage? DEA, FBI, CIA FLIR footage? Your preaching to the choir. The U.S. government is compartmentalized for a REASON. Intelligence flows in and nothing comes out. If the subject of Bigfoot is classified? Then anyone with the appropriate clearance and a need to know basis would be able to access that intelligence. They are they….. Sorry I don’t have a list.

[Backdoc]

12 minutes ago, norseman said:

You may not accept it? But if Bigfoot exists? THEY KNOW ABOUT IT. And if they don’t care? Then why the disinformation campaign?
 

 

 

Bigfoot could exist AND the government doesn’t know it.   Why- if Bigfoot exists -must the government be aware.  Why are you so sure “they” are competent ?  There is no evidence to support that as it pertains to Bigfoot.  

 

“They” have been completely incompetent.   Consider…

 

They will destroy people to keep bigfoot secret.    How do Meldrum and so many others get to speak all the time. Explain the reasoning.   Meldrum’s reputation isn’t being harmed.   Its only improving.   There’s a Tv show called finding bigfoot.  How did it last beyond the first episode let alone multiple seasons?   These shows are removing the stigma of claiming a Bigfoot sighting.  Why isn’t that government stopping them?   A government which knows about Bigfoot has done a bad job silencing people.  How did I ever find out about thought by Bill Munns, Daniel Perez, Dr.s  Meldrum, bindernagal, nikaris, Grover kranz, and so on?  
 

 

 

 

 

 

12 minutes ago, norseman said:

 

 

Why try to discredit the whole subject? Why USFS Bigfoot April fools jokes? How do you think that makes witnesses feel? 

 

It’s just an April fools joke made by some small person who was in a position to make such a joke.   They thought it was funny and probably personally didnt believe in Bigfoot.  That doesn’t mean there was some collective effort.   Just one person or a small group making a joke.    
 

By the way, NORAD is probably not really tracking Santa Claus. 

 

 

[norseman]

24 minutes ago, Backdoc said:

 

 

Bigfoot could exist AND the government doesn’t know it.   Why- if Bigfoot exists -must the government be aware.  Why are you so sure “they” are competent ?  There is no evidence to support that as it pertains to Bigfoot.  

 

“They” have been completely incompetent.   Consider…

 

They will destroy people to keep bigfoot secret.    How do Meldrum and so many others get to speak all the time. Explain the reasoning.   Meldrum’s reputation isn’t being harmed.   Its only improving.   There’s a Tv show called finding bigfoot.  How did it last beyond the first episode let alone multiple seasons?   These shows are removing the stigma of claiming a Bigfoot sighting.  Why isn’t that government stopping them?   A government which knows about Bigfoot has done a bad job silencing people.  How did I ever find out about thought by Bill Munns, Daniel Perez, Dr.s  Meldrum, bindernagal, nikaris, Grover kranz, and so on?  
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It’s just an April fools joke made by some small person who was in a position to make such a joke.   They thought it was funny and probably personally didnt believe in Bigfoot.  That doesn’t mean there was some collective effort.   Just one person or a small group making a joke.    
 

By the way, NORAD is probably not really tracking Santa Claus. 

 

 

Why are they competent? Did they capture the Green River Killer? I am buddies with the USAF officer that flew in the plane that tracked him with FLIR. Have you checked out any GWOT FLIR footage? They are smoking guys in the pitch black! They are absolutely terrifyingly COMPETENT.
 

Are you just throwing darts at the wall? Hoping something sticks? 

Meldrum’s reputation isn’t being harmed? Have you talked to any scientists lately? How bout you go talk to Saskeptic on the James Randi forum? I have already responded to this…. Yes they ridicule people as tinfoil hat wearing crackpots. How many UFO shows and movies were out there before the government finally admitted that the phenomenon was real? (Like last year) How many MUFON investigators filing tens of thousands of reports? Unlike Bigfoot where you need camping gear and stuff? With UFOs? All you have to do is LOOK UP….. And STILL the government since WW2 made everyone out to be crack pots….

 

How are you this naive in 2025?🤷‍♂️

 

It doesn’t have to be a collective effort. BUT IT IS. It’s was posted on the USDA WEBSITE! USFS……a dept of the USDA? Hello? Do you think Billybob the forest service desk clerk did it all on his own?

 

BTW? If Santa Claus was real? You can bet your sweet behind they tracked Santa Claus within 1000 miles of the USA mainland and absolutely positively would have scrambled F 22 raptors up to intercept his gray bearded jolly old soul!💥💥💥 Sorry kids, Xmas is CANCELLED. 

[FLY]

7 hours ago, norseman said:

Why are they competent? Did they capture the Green River Killer? I am buddies with the USAF officer that flew in the plane that tracked him with FLIR. Have you checked out any GWOT FLIR footage? They are smoking guys in the pitch black! They are absolutely terrifyingly COMPETENT.
 

Are you just throwing darts at the wall? Hoping something sticks? 

Meldrum’s reputation isn’t being harmed? Have you talked to any scientists lately? How bout you go talk to Saskeptic on the James Randi forum? I have already responded to this…. Yes they ridicule people as tinfoil hat wearing crackpots. How many UFO shows and movies were out there before the government finally admitted that the phenomenon was real? (Like last year) How many MUFON investigators filing tens of thousands of reports? Unlike Bigfoot where you need camping gear and stuff? With UFOs? All you have to do is LOOK UP….. And STILL the government since WW2 made everyone out to be crack pots….

 

How are you this naive in 2025?🤷‍♂️

 

It doesn’t have to be a collective effort. BUT IT IS. It’s was posted on the USDA WEBSITE! USFS……a dept of the USDA? Hello? Do you think Billybob the forest service desk clerk did it all on his own?

 

BTW? If Santa Claus was real? You can bet your sweet behind they tracked Santa Claus within 1000 miles of the USA mainland and absolutely positively would have scrambled F 22 raptors up to intercept his gray bearded jolly old soul!💥💥💥 Sorry kids, Xmas is CANCELLED. 

This !! They  don't  have to run any more disinformation other than infer that witnesses are not mentally well.  And that will have repercussions in your life. Personally and professionally. This would include persons in the government itself. 

 

[Backdoc]

On 4/17/2025 at 12:42 AM, norseman said:

Why are they competent?

 

Did they capture the Green River Killer? I am buddies with the USAF officer that flew in the plane that tracked him with FLIR. Have you checked out any GWOT FLIR footage? They are smoking guys in the pitch black! They are absolutely terrifyingly COMPETENT.

 

Are you just throwing darts at the wall? Hoping something sticks? 

 

 

Nope.  I am taking everything on a case-by-case basis.  Then I will call balls and strikes.   We can all agree those who planned the moon landing were competent in that the Saturn V never failed and all 12 men who landed on the moon got home safe.  Home run!  We could find further examples are great achievements under government direction and competency.  We could find all kinds of examples where the government was incompetent.   We have to determine that in each instance in its own way based on the goal and the ability to achieve the goal.  

 

Back to this issue here:  If we are to assume our government has secret knowledge about Bigfoot, then to keep it secret it must have some interest or need to keep it secret.  Yet, bigfoot is everywhere as I previously pointed out.   So, for the issue of THEY keep things quiet they are completely incompetent.     

 

Finally, we once again have to specifically define who is "THEY"

 

Please define specifically who THEY are.   I am happy to consider it.   Who are they?  Who funds them?  How many are there?  Where do they appear in the budget?  Why specifically do they exist to keep the knowledge of Bigfoot quiet?

 

You will not get any argument from me on the concept our government for national defense reasons might use all kinds of tactics to keep things quiet.   I just don't think Bigfoot arises to that level of concern.  

 

On 4/17/2025 at 12:42 AM, norseman said:

 

 

 

Meldrum’s reputation isn’t being harmed? Have you talked to any scientists lately?

 

Most people understand the general "science" consensus is- at present time -Bigfoot is UNPROVEN.   Some might think Bigfoot is real, some don't, and some think it is possible.   Yet, the consensus for now is bigfoot is an unproven creature.    

 

As far as Meldrum is concerned, his reputation has increased over time.  Even these hardliners who appear on the Bigfoot shows like that Dr. Eric Began say to paraphrase. "We are not saying bigfoot can't exist and I would like it if it did exist from a science standpoint.  There are times in history where we would think something doesn't exist only to later be found to be wrong.   I am not saying Meldrum is right, but I have to respect that he is applying science to the subject in his study of Bigfoot.   In a lot of ways Dr. Meldrum is brave"

 

We have come a long way from when Grover Kranz said, "My university supports me in that they don't fire me for believing in bigfoot"  Grover flat out said science won't accept bigfoot until we have a body.   We are now to a point these science 'skeptics' will appear on a Bigfoot show and now become open minded. 

 

In one of his Youtube presentations Meldrum made it clear science of the 1960's REQUIRED the rejection of Bigfoot based on the linear model as the accepted A - Z path of evolution. 

 

 

 

This is why those who looked at the 1967 PGF were essentially trained Patty HAD to be a man in a suit since science said something like Bigfoot couldn't exist.  After 1970's and 1980s fossil discoveries science was open to the fact you could have multiple lines of evolution in their model.   

 

I think Meldrum is respected.   Time has been good to him in this way and other academics who proposed Bigfoot could be real.  Anyone who thinks the Stanford walking study HURT Meldrum's reputation in the science world is wrong.  

 

 

 

On 4/17/2025 at 12:42 AM, norseman said:

 

How bout you go talk to Saskeptic on the James Randi forum? I have already responded to this…. Yes they ridicule people as tinfoil hat wearing crackpots. How many UFO shows and movies were out there before the government finally admitted that the phenomenon was real? (Like last year) How many MUFON investigators filing tens of thousands of reports? Unlike Bigfoot where you need camping gear and stuff? With UFOs? All you have to do is LOOK UP….. And STILL the government since WW2 made everyone out to be crack pots….

 

UFO's have nothing to do with bigfoot unless you are part of the group of people who happen to think UFOs are Aliens and Bigfeet ARE those, Aliens.  As far and James Randi is concerned, Randi just holds the position of the state of Missouri: SHOW ME.   He is more of an extreme skeptic than I might be if I was one.   Yet, Randi has done a good job exposing people claiming certain powers like Geller and his spoon bending.   I don't agree with all his conclusions, but Randi would not reject a Bigfoot body on a slab.

 

On 4/17/2025 at 12:42 AM, norseman said:

How are you this naive in 2025?🤷‍♂️

 

I think if I had a highly classified secrets and was going public with it some military arm of the USA would silence me.  Is that naive?    

 

Unless you can come up with a reason people would be willing to kill for (and continue to kill for ) regarding Bigfoot I would suggest keeping bigfoot secret makes no sense. 

 

 

 

On 4/17/2025 at 12:42 AM, norseman said:

It doesn’t have to be a collective effort. BUT IT IS. It’s was posted on the USDA WEBSITE! USFS……a dept of the USDA? Hello? Do you think Billybob the forest service desk clerk did it all on his own?

 

BTW? If Santa Claus was real? You can bet your sweet behind they tracked Santa Claus within 1000 miles of the USA mainland and absolutely positively would have scrambled F 22 raptors up to intercept his gray bearded jolly old soul!💥💥💥 Sorry kids, Xmas is CANCELLED. 

 

If we could not exploit Santa's skillset the USA would stop him.   Agreed  

 

 

 

 

 

[Backdoc]

Questions for all:

 

1)  What issue about Bigfoot would need to be so secret people in power would be willing to kill to keep it quiet?

 

2)  Who specifically are "THEY" ?

 

 

 

Questions for Daniel Perez, Bill Munns, Anna Nikaris, Jeff Meldrum, and so on.

 

How you ever been threatened by "THEY" to keep quiet about Bigfoot?  That is, has anyone ever threatened you to stop investigating or speaking about Bigfoot.  

 

[NorCalWitness]

39 minutes ago, Backdoc said:

Questions for all:

 

1)  What issue about Bigfoot would need to be so secret people in power would be willing to kill to keep it quiet?

 

2)  Who specifically are "THEY" ?

 

 

 

Questions for Daniel Perez, Bill Munns, Anna Nikaris, Jeff Meldrum, and so on.

 

How you ever been threatened by "THEY" to keep quiet about Bigfoot?  That is, has anyone ever threatened you to stop investigating or speaking about Bigfoot.  

 

Question 1 is the massive truth bomb that many aren't ready to accept. They are so far out there as a species that it would change our understanding of the world, just like aliens. There is no other reason to keep it quiet. 

[Backdoc]

55 minutes ago, NorCalWitness said:

Question 1 is the massive truth bomb that many aren't ready to accept. They are so far out there as a species that it would change our understanding of the world, just like aliens. There is no other reason to keep it quiet. 

 

I really would love to know more.   If possible, could you elaborate further?

 

 

[MIB]

2 hours ago, Backdoc said:

Questions for all:

 

1)  What issue about Bigfoot would need to be so secret

 

 

Again, I don't believe there's a conspiracy for secrecy because I do not know of anyone in any branch of any government who could prove bigfoot existed if they wished to.   However, if there were a secret, the reason for keeping it secret is simply because at this late date, proving that there had ever been a secret would fuel the question of what other secrets might still be kept.   As before, there may be very compartmentalized knowledge within government, same as some of us have outside of government, but it almost certainly falls in the realm of personal conviction, not the realm of proof.

 

.. but wait, you said

 

2 hours ago, Backdoc said:

people in power would be willing to kill to keep it quiet?

 

 

What proof do you offer that this has happened?

 

MIB

 

 

[norseman]

6 hours ago, Backdoc said:

 

Nope.  I am taking everything on a case-by-case basis.  Then I will call balls and strikes.   We can all agree those who planned the moon landing were competent in that the Saturn V never failed and all 12 men who landed on the moon got home safe.  Home run!  We could find further examples are great achievements under government direction and competency.  We could find all kinds of examples where the government was incompetent.   We have to determine that in each instance in its own way based on the goal and the ability to achieve the goal.  

 

Back to this issue here:  If we are to assume our government has secret knowledge about Bigfoot, then to keep it secret it must have some interest or need to keep it secret.  Yet, bigfoot is everywhere as I previously pointed out.   So, for the issue of THEY keep things quiet they are completely incompetent.     

 

Finally, we once again have to specifically define who is "THEY"

 

Please define specifically who THEY are.   I am happy to consider it.   Who are they?  Who funds them?  How many are there?  Where do they appear in the budget?  Why specifically do they exist to keep the knowledge of Bigfoot quiet?

 

You will not get any argument from me on the concept our government for national defense reasons might use all kinds of tactics to keep things quiet.   I just don't think Bigfoot arises to that level of concern.  

 

 

Most people understand the general "science" consensus is- at present time -Bigfoot is UNPROVEN.   Some might think Bigfoot is real, some don't, and some think it is possible.   Yet, the consensus for now is bigfoot is an unproven creature.    

 

As far as Meldrum is concerned, his reputation has increased over time.  Even these hardliners who appear on the Bigfoot shows like that Dr. Eric Began say to paraphrase. "We are not saying bigfoot can't exist and I would like it if it did exist from a science standpoint.  There are times in history where we would think something doesn't exist only to later be found to be wrong.   I am not saying Meldrum is right, but I have to respect that he is applying science to the subject in his study of Bigfoot.   In a lot of ways Dr. Meldrum is brave"

 

We have come a long way from when Grover Kranz said, "My university supports me in that they don't fire me for believing in bigfoot"  Grover flat out said science won't accept bigfoot until we have a body.   We are now to a point these science 'skeptics' will appear on a Bigfoot show and now become open minded. 

 

In one of his Youtube presentations Meldrum made it clear science of the 1960's REQUIRED the rejection of Bigfoot based on the linear model as the accepted A - Z path of evolution. 

 

 

 

This is why those who looked at the 1967 PGF were essentially trained Patty HAD to be a man in a suit since science said something like Bigfoot couldn't exist.  After 1970's and 1980s fossil discoveries science was open to the fact you could have multiple lines of evolution in their model.   

 

I think Meldrum is respected.   Time has been good to him in this way and other academics who proposed Bigfoot could be real.  Anyone who thinks the Stanford walking study HURT Meldrum's reputation in the science world is wrong.  

 

 

 

 

UFO's have nothing to do with bigfoot unless you are part of the group of people who happen to think UFOs are Aliens and Bigfeet ARE those, Aliens.  As far and James Randi is concerned, Randi just holds the position of the state of Missouri: SHOW ME.   He is more of an extreme skeptic than I might be if I was one.   Yet, Randi has done a good job exposing people claiming certain powers like Geller and his spoon bending.   I don't agree with all his conclusions, but Randi would not reject a Bigfoot body on a slab.

 

 

I think if I had a highly classified secrets and was going public with it some military arm of the USA would silence me.  Is that naive?    

 

Unless you can come up with a reason people would be willing to kill for (and continue to kill for ) regarding Bigfoot I would suggest keeping bigfoot secret makes no sense. 

 

 

 

 

If we could not exploit Santa's skillset the USA would stop him.   Agreed  

 

 

 

 

 

You claimed the Government is incompetent. But nothing you have said refutes what I said in defense of it, and you even rambled on about how successful the moon landing was.🤷‍♂️

 

I am talking about defending our borders! Which includes SURVEILLANCE! The ability to track targets in pitch black. Our Federal assets are highly competent at this…. 
 

Here is proof.

 

 

[norseman]

7 hours ago, Backdoc said:

 

Nope.  I am taking everything on a case-by-case basis.  Then I will call balls and strikes.   We can all agree those who planned the moon landing were competent in that the Saturn V never failed and all 12 men who landed on the moon got home safe.  Home run!  We could find further examples are great achievements under government direction and competency.  We could find all kinds of examples where the government was incompetent.   We have to determine that in each instance in its own way based on the goal and the ability to achieve the goal.  

 

Back to this issue here:  If we are to assume our government has secret knowledge about Bigfoot, then to keep it secret it must have some interest or need to keep it secret.  Yet, bigfoot is everywhere as I previously pointed out.   So, for the issue of THEY keep things quiet they are completely incompetent.     

 

Finally, we once again have to specifically define who is "THEY"

 

Please define specifically who THEY are.   I am happy to consider it.   Who are they?  Who funds them?  How many are there?  Where do they appear in the budget?  Why specifically do they exist to keep the knowledge of Bigfoot quiet?

 

You will not get any argument from me on the concept our government for national defense reasons might use all kinds of tactics to keep things quiet.   I just don't think Bigfoot arises to that level of concern.  

 

 

Most people understand the general "science" consensus is- at present time -Bigfoot is UNPROVEN.   Some might think Bigfoot is real, some don't, and some think it is possible.   Yet, the consensus for now is bigfoot is an unproven creature.    

 

As far as Meldrum is concerned, his reputation has increased over time.  Even these hardliners who appear on the Bigfoot shows like that Dr. Eric Began say to paraphrase. "We are not saying bigfoot can't exist and I would like it if it did exist from a science standpoint.  There are times in history where we would think something doesn't exist only to later be found to be wrong.   I am not saying Meldrum is right, but I have to respect that he is applying science to the subject in his study of Bigfoot.   In a lot of ways Dr. Meldrum is brave"

 

We have come a long way from when Grover Kranz said, "My university supports me in that they don't fire me for believing in bigfoot"  Grover flat out said science won't accept bigfoot until we have a body.   We are now to a point these science 'skeptics' will appear on a Bigfoot show and now become open minded. 

 

In one of his Youtube presentations Meldrum made it clear science of the 1960's REQUIRED the rejection of Bigfoot based on the linear model as the accepted A - Z path of evolution. 

 

 

 

This is why those who looked at the 1967 PGF were essentially trained Patty HAD to be a man in a suit since science said something like Bigfoot couldn't exist.  After 1970's and 1980s fossil discoveries science was open to the fact you could have multiple lines of evolution in their model.   

 

I think Meldrum is respected.   Time has been good to him in this way and other academics who proposed Bigfoot could be real.  Anyone who thinks the Stanford walking study HURT Meldrum's reputation in the science world is wrong.  

 

 

 

 

UFO's have nothing to do with bigfoot unless you are part of the group of people who happen to think UFOs are Aliens and Bigfeet ARE those, Aliens.  As far and James Randi is concerned, Randi just holds the position of the state of Missouri: SHOW ME.   He is more of an extreme skeptic than I might be if I was one.   Yet, Randi has done a good job exposing people claiming certain powers like Geller and his spoon bending.   I don't agree with all his conclusions, but Randi would not reject a Bigfoot body on a slab.

 

 

I think if I had a highly classified secrets and was going public with it some military arm of the USA would silence me.  Is that naive?    

 

Unless you can come up with a reason people would be willing to kill for (and continue to kill for ) regarding Bigfoot I would suggest keeping bigfoot secret makes no sense. 

 

 

 

 

If we could not exploit Santa's skillset the USA would stop him.   Agreed  

 

 

 

 

 

I am breaking my response into sections.

 

Well if you think Meldrum is respected outside of the world of Bigfoot? Go over to the JRF and talk to them about it. For us old timers? They used to be right here in the BFF…. And would have no problem letting you know what they think about him.

 

Basically he is a charlatan that makes money on pseudo science. In fact I have watched Meldrum call out Kitakaze in person.

 

We finally just swung the ban hammer on that crowd because they would be eating you feet first right now for defending him.

 

UFOs.

 

Sigh…. I am using UFOs as a parallel example of how Government covers stuff up. No. I am not saying Scotty is beaming up Bigfoot. I am saying that the Government covers things up. I have provided proven examples of the government covering things up.

 

Here is your problem Backdoc. You have came to a conclusion and you’re working backwards. You cannot conceive of any idea why the Government would cover up Bigfoot…..so no coverup. That’s not logical.

 

Possible reasons?

 

1) It’s the missing link. I won’t get into religion or evolution here. But it’s a super loaded contentious topic. Google is your friend.

 

2) Missing 411. Lots of people missing under mysterious circumstances. If a large ape man is responsible for some of missing, that the government claims doesn’t exist? Do you think people have a case for a lawsuit against the federal government?

 

3) Huntsters position. If Bigfoot turns out to be a member of the genus Homo? Are we signing a treaty? Making reservations? Do they get human rights? Maybe the government doesn’t want to open that can of worms.

[norseman]

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