I Know I'm Beating A Dead Horse But Bigfoot Deserves Better

[Backdoc]

19 minutes ago, MIB said:

 

That depends on the thing, on the value, thus their motivation.   Killing to keep something quiet has to be of considerable value to make it worth the risk.  

 

MIB  I couldn’t agree more.  Perfectly said.  All I’m saying is Bigfoot doesn’t reach that level.   Some other things do.   
 

 

[MIB]

10 hours ago, Backdoc said:

 

MIB  I couldn’t agree more.  Perfectly said.  All I’m saying is Bigfoot doesn’t reach that level.   Some other things do.   
 

 

 

Yeah, unless we're missing something .. and I don't think we are.   I think belief in the existence of that something is inseparable from believing there's a coverup / conspiracy.   I haven't seen evidence of either.    I do know a couple people who were bigfooters in the older days, 70s, who swear their homes were "gone through" and their evidence taken, report encounters with MIBs (sorry, I wasn't old enough yet), and so on .. but I also know they were doing illegal substances including 'shrooms and acid in those years.   What weight do you put on the accounts told by people who were admittedly using hallucinogens?    I don't dismiss it entirely but the ol' eyebrow-of-doubt is substantially elevated .. verbal account, taken by itself, falls short of extraordinary proof y' might say.

 

[NorCalWitness]

3 hours ago, MIB said:

 

Yeah, unless we're missing something .. and I don't think we are.   I think belief in the existence of that something is inseparable from believing there's a coverup / conspiracy.   I haven't seen evidence of either.    I do know a couple people who were bigfooters in the older days, 70s, who swear their homes were "gone through" and their evidence taken, report encounters with MIBs (sorry, I wasn't old enough yet), and so on .. but I also know they were doing illegal substances including 'shrooms and acid in those years.   What weight do you put on the accounts told by people who were admittedly using hallucinogens?    I don't dismiss it entirely but the ol' eyebrow-of-doubt is substantially elevated .. verbal account, taken by itself, falls short of extraordinary proof y' might say.

 

You are getting close to realizing your previous understanding of the phenomenon is way off. Keep going. 

[MIB]

2 hours ago, NorCalWitness said:

You are getting close to realizing your previous understanding of the phenomenon is way off. Keep going. 

 

.. or you're still not understanding what I said .. either time.

[NorCalWitness]

55 minutes ago, MIB said:

 

.. or you're still not understanding what I said .. either time.

I totally understand what you said. You are slowly getting there. Keep going. 

[norseman]

16 hours ago, MIB said:

 

I think belief in the existence of that something is inseparable from believing there's a coverup / conspiracy.   I haven't seen evidence of either.    

 

I thought you were a Bigfoot witness? Or am I not understanding your quote correctly?

 

I have personally seen Washington Fish and Game make bald faced lies with a straight face. One biologist told us houndsman there were only 50 cougars in all of Ferry county. We laughed in his face. They were of course trying to get hounds outlawed and they did. Using that bogus number helped their cause. I also saw a Grizzly Bear where there were none supposed to be. The biologist just smirked. It was at my kids Hunter safety course. 
 

They absolutely have an agenda, and the U.S. fish and game with the reintroduction of Wolves seems to be lock step with Washington fish and game.

 

So if they know something about Bigfoot? Do you honestly think they are gonna tell us? They won’t tell us about problem Grizzlies being released in our neck of the woods. I don’t trust them as far as I could throw them.

[MIB]

7 hours ago, norseman said:

I thought you were a Bigfoot witness? Or am I not understanding your quote correctly?

 

You are not understanding the context.   It is not about whether or not bigfoot exists, it is about whether a conspiracy to conceal bigfoot exists.   We were discussing whether concealing bigfoot is worth gov't murdering citizens.   If there is a conspiracy to conceal it has been 100% effective so far as suppressing verifiable evidence.  We have nothing but supposition, rumors, and flawed logic presented as if it was evidence.   I don't believe that anything short of being killed can keep some people quiet.   I don't think we have verifiable evidence of people being murdered by our gov't to keep them from releasing proof if they had it.   

 

In other words, I don't buy the conspiracy crap in the slightest.    I think there are simpler, and fully adequate, explanations, they simply fail to titillate the drama junkies so they are dismissed inconveniences.  

[norseman]

2 hours ago, MIB said:

 

You are not understanding the context.   It is not about whether or not bigfoot exists, it is about whether a conspiracy to conceal bigfoot exists.   We were discussing whether concealing bigfoot is worth gov't murdering citizens.   If there is a conspiracy to conceal it has been 100% effective so far as suppressing verifiable evidence.  We have nothing but supposition, rumors, and flawed logic presented as if it was evidence.   I don't believe that anything short of being killed can keep some people quiet.   I don't think we have verifiable evidence of people being murdered by our gov't to keep them from releasing proof if they had it.   

 

In other words, I don't buy the conspiracy crap in the slightest.    I think there are simpler, and fully adequate, explanations, they simply fail to titillate the drama junkies so they are dismissed inconveniences.  

You said “I don’t see evidence of either”. I took that to mean both Bigfoot AND the cover up. Meaning there is nothing to cover up…. 
 

Sorry.

 

As for the rest? We will have to agree to disagree. If YOU know it’s real as a civilian with a 4x4, binoculars and a flashlight? The Government with trillions of dollars worth of surveillance hardware absolutely knows it’s real. I don’t think this is flawed logic. It’s just the facts. 

[Backdoc]

58 minutes ago, norseman said:

You said “I don’t see evidence of either”. I took that to mean both Bigfoot AND the cover up. Meaning there is nothing to cover up…. 
 

Sorry.

 

As for the rest? We will have to agree to disagree. If YOU know it’s real as a civilian with a 4x4, binoculars and a flashlight? The Government with trillions of dollars worth of surveillance hardware absolutely knows it’s real. I don’t think this is flawed logic. It’s just the facts. 

 

 

For this "They Know" idea to be true, we have to agree a lot of other things also need to be true:   

 

This means the government has the ability to find all these lost people in the woods and lets them freeze to death and so on.  All those bodies found are allowed to die by the government who could have saved them but chose not to.

 

This same government let the Virginia state park search go on for a missing special needs child to go one for a 1 week.   The heck with those resources and all 5,000 volunteers doing the searching.   The Government is choosing for this to be allowed.  After all it's only a scared lost and hungry kid out in the elements.  

 

 

 

When Billionaire adventurer Steve Fosset died in the wilderness, they knew all along where his craft went down.  They were fine to waste the time of all the search parties and recovery people so it would take a year to find the wreckage/crash.  

 

 

 

When we test what we think might be true it helps to ask, "If this is true then these other things must also be true"   

I'm not trying to be a smart Alec.   I'm trying to appeal to what I feel is a more reasonable position.  If you still don't agree with me that is more than fine with me but at least understand why I and others might hold a different position.  It is a position that seems to hold up time and time again in real world examples.

 

 

 

 

 

[norseman]

1 hour ago, Backdoc said:

 

 

For this "They Know" idea to be true, we have to agree a lot of other things also need to be true:   

 

This means the government has the ability to find all these lost people in the woods and lets them freeze to death and so on.  All those bodies found are allowed to die by the government who could have saved them but chose not to.

 

This same government let the Virginia state park search go on for a missing special needs child to go one for a 1 week.   The heck with those resources and all 5,000 volunteers doing the searching.   The Government is choosing for this to be allowed.  After all it's only a scared lost and hungry kid out in the elements.  

 

 

 

When Billionaire adventurer Steve Fosset died in the wilderness, they knew all along where his craft went down.  They were fine to waste the time of all the search parties and recovery people so it would take a year to find the wreckage/crash.  

 

 

 

When we test what we think might be true it helps to ask, "If this is true then these other things must also be true"   

I'm not trying to be a smart Alec.   I'm trying to appeal to what I feel is a more reasonable position.  If you still don't agree with me that is more than fine with me but at least understand why I and others might hold a different position.  It is a position that seems to hold up time and time again in real world examples.

 

 

 

 

 

Nonsense.

 

1) Finding one missing child within a couple of days? Is not the same as detecting a breeding population of ape men over DECADES.

 

2) A missing child could be anywhere. Unlike the U.S. Border that hasn’t changed its lines for over two centuries. So the border is being watched 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year. What are the chances that a breeding population of ape men crosses that border regularly? Almost assuredly!

 

3) I was a volunteer firefighter for 17 years. Our SAR team was attached to the County Sheriffs department. They were volunteers like me. Our funding in rural America was minimal. Compare and contrast that to the various agencies within the Federal government and the branches of the military?

 

4) I don’t know if you’re aware but there is a cut line between the USA and Canada. With motion detection equipment.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada–United_States_international_border_vista

 

This isn’t a SAR mission in Timbuktu National Forest in Georgia. This is a defended and monitored international border….

 

And we are not searching for one small child. We are asking if the U.S. government with its trillions of dollars worth of assets has EVER detected a breeding population of 800 lbs ape men?

 

There is NO WAY the U.S. Government doesn’t know the truth. All we can do is speculate as to why they do what they do.