I Know I'm Beating A Dead Horse But Bigfoot Deserves Better

[Backdoc]

19 minutes ago, MIB said:

 

That depends on the thing, on the value, thus their motivation.   Killing to keep something quiet has to be of considerable value to make it worth the risk.  

 

MIB  I couldn’t agree more.  Perfectly said.  All I’m saying is Bigfoot doesn’t reach that level.   Some other things do.   
 

 

[MIB]

10 hours ago, Backdoc said:

 

MIB  I couldn’t agree more.  Perfectly said.  All I’m saying is Bigfoot doesn’t reach that level.   Some other things do.   
 

 

 

Yeah, unless we're missing something .. and I don't think we are.   I think belief in the existence of that something is inseparable from believing there's a coverup / conspiracy.   I haven't seen evidence of either.    I do know a couple people who were bigfooters in the older days, 70s, who swear their homes were "gone through" and their evidence taken, report encounters with MIBs (sorry, I wasn't old enough yet), and so on .. but I also know they were doing illegal substances including 'shrooms and acid in those years.   What weight do you put on the accounts told by people who were admittedly using hallucinogens?    I don't dismiss it entirely but the ol' eyebrow-of-doubt is substantially elevated .. verbal account, taken by itself, falls short of extraordinary proof y' might say.

 

[NorCalWitness]

3 hours ago, MIB said:

 

Yeah, unless we're missing something .. and I don't think we are.   I think belief in the existence of that something is inseparable from believing there's a coverup / conspiracy.   I haven't seen evidence of either.    I do know a couple people who were bigfooters in the older days, 70s, who swear their homes were "gone through" and their evidence taken, report encounters with MIBs (sorry, I wasn't old enough yet), and so on .. but I also know they were doing illegal substances including 'shrooms and acid in those years.   What weight do you put on the accounts told by people who were admittedly using hallucinogens?    I don't dismiss it entirely but the ol' eyebrow-of-doubt is substantially elevated .. verbal account, taken by itself, falls short of extraordinary proof y' might say.

 

You are getting close to realizing your previous understanding of the phenomenon is way off. Keep going. 

[MIB]

2 hours ago, NorCalWitness said:

You are getting close to realizing your previous understanding of the phenomenon is way off. Keep going. 

 

.. or you're still not understanding what I said .. either time.

[NorCalWitness]

55 minutes ago, MIB said:

 

.. or you're still not understanding what I said .. either time.

I totally understand what you said. You are slowly getting there. Keep going. 

[norseman]

16 hours ago, MIB said:

 

I think belief in the existence of that something is inseparable from believing there's a coverup / conspiracy.   I haven't seen evidence of either.    

 

I thought you were a Bigfoot witness? Or am I not understanding your quote correctly?

 

I have personally seen Washington Fish and Game make bald faced lies with a straight face. One biologist told us houndsman there were only 50 cougars in all of Ferry county. We laughed in his face. They were of course trying to get hounds outlawed and they did. Using that bogus number helped their cause. I also saw a Grizzly Bear where there were none supposed to be. The biologist just smirked. It was at my kids Hunter safety course. 
 

They absolutely have an agenda, and the U.S. fish and game with the reintroduction of Wolves seems to be lock step with Washington fish and game.

 

So if they know something about Bigfoot? Do you honestly think they are gonna tell us? They won’t tell us about problem Grizzlies being released in our neck of the woods. I don’t trust them as far as I could throw them.

[MIB]

7 hours ago, norseman said:

I thought you were a Bigfoot witness? Or am I not understanding your quote correctly?

 

You are not understanding the context.   It is not about whether or not bigfoot exists, it is about whether a conspiracy to conceal bigfoot exists.   We were discussing whether concealing bigfoot is worth gov't murdering citizens.   If there is a conspiracy to conceal it has been 100% effective so far as suppressing verifiable evidence.  We have nothing but supposition, rumors, and flawed logic presented as if it was evidence.   I don't believe that anything short of being killed can keep some people quiet.   I don't think we have verifiable evidence of people being murdered by our gov't to keep them from releasing proof if they had it.   

 

In other words, I don't buy the conspiracy crap in the slightest.    I think there are simpler, and fully adequate, explanations, they simply fail to titillate the drama junkies so they are dismissed inconveniences.  

[norseman]

2 hours ago, MIB said:

 

You are not understanding the context.   It is not about whether or not bigfoot exists, it is about whether a conspiracy to conceal bigfoot exists.   We were discussing whether concealing bigfoot is worth gov't murdering citizens.   If there is a conspiracy to conceal it has been 100% effective so far as suppressing verifiable evidence.  We have nothing but supposition, rumors, and flawed logic presented as if it was evidence.   I don't believe that anything short of being killed can keep some people quiet.   I don't think we have verifiable evidence of people being murdered by our gov't to keep them from releasing proof if they had it.   

 

In other words, I don't buy the conspiracy crap in the slightest.    I think there are simpler, and fully adequate, explanations, they simply fail to titillate the drama junkies so they are dismissed inconveniences.  

You said “I don’t see evidence of either”. I took that to mean both Bigfoot AND the cover up. Meaning there is nothing to cover up…. 
 

Sorry.

 

As for the rest? We will have to agree to disagree. If YOU know it’s real as a civilian with a 4x4, binoculars and a flashlight? The Government with trillions of dollars worth of surveillance hardware absolutely knows it’s real. I don’t think this is flawed logic. It’s just the facts. 

[Backdoc]

58 minutes ago, norseman said:

You said “I don’t see evidence of either”. I took that to mean both Bigfoot AND the cover up. Meaning there is nothing to cover up…. 
 

Sorry.

 

As for the rest? We will have to agree to disagree. If YOU know it’s real as a civilian with a 4x4, binoculars and a flashlight? The Government with trillions of dollars worth of surveillance hardware absolutely knows it’s real. I don’t think this is flawed logic. It’s just the facts. 

 

 

For this "They Know" idea to be true, we have to agree a lot of other things also need to be true:   

 

This means the government has the ability to find all these lost people in the woods and lets them freeze to death and so on.  All those bodies found are allowed to die by the government who could have saved them but chose not to.

 

This same government let the Virginia state park search go on for a missing special needs child to go one for a 1 week.   The heck with those resources and all 5,000 volunteers doing the searching.   The Government is choosing for this to be allowed.  After all it's only a scared lost and hungry kid out in the elements.  

 

 

 

When Billionaire adventurer Steve Fosset died in the wilderness, they knew all along where his craft went down.  They were fine to waste the time of all the search parties and recovery people so it would take a year to find the wreckage/crash.  

 

 

 

When we test what we think might be true it helps to ask, "If this is true then these other things must also be true"   

I'm not trying to be a smart Alec.   I'm trying to appeal to what I feel is a more reasonable position.  If you still don't agree with me that is more than fine with me but at least understand why I and others might hold a different position.  It is a position that seems to hold up time and time again in real world examples.

 

 

 

 

 

[norseman]

1 hour ago, Backdoc said:

 

 

For this "They Know" idea to be true, we have to agree a lot of other things also need to be true:   

 

This means the government has the ability to find all these lost people in the woods and lets them freeze to death and so on.  All those bodies found are allowed to die by the government who could have saved them but chose not to.

 

This same government let the Virginia state park search go on for a missing special needs child to go one for a 1 week.   The heck with those resources and all 5,000 volunteers doing the searching.   The Government is choosing for this to be allowed.  After all it's only a scared lost and hungry kid out in the elements.  

 

 

 

When Billionaire adventurer Steve Fosset died in the wilderness, they knew all along where his craft went down.  They were fine to waste the time of all the search parties and recovery people so it would take a year to find the wreckage/crash.  

 

 

 

When we test what we think might be true it helps to ask, "If this is true then these other things must also be true"   

I'm not trying to be a smart Alec.   I'm trying to appeal to what I feel is a more reasonable position.  If you still don't agree with me that is more than fine with me but at least understand why I and others might hold a different position.  It is a position that seems to hold up time and time again in real world examples.

 

 

 

 

 

Nonsense.

 

1) Finding one missing child within a couple of days? Is not the same as detecting a breeding population of ape men over DECADES.

 

2) A missing child could be anywhere. Unlike the U.S. Border that hasn’t changed its lines for over two centuries. So the border is being watched 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year. What are the chances that a breeding population of ape men crosses that border regularly? Almost assuredly!

 

3) I was a volunteer firefighter for 17 years. Our SAR team was attached to the County Sheriffs department. They were volunteers like me. Our funding in rural America was minimal. Compare and contrast that to the various agencies within the Federal government and the branches of the military?

 

4) I don’t know if you’re aware but there is a cut line between the USA and Canada. With motion detection equipment.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada–United_States_international_border_vista

 

This isn’t a SAR mission in Timbuktu National Forest in Georgia. This is a defended and monitored international border….

 

And we are not searching for one small child. We are asking if the U.S. government with its trillions of dollars worth of assets has EVER detected a breeding population of 800 lbs ape men?

 

There is NO WAY the U.S. Government doesn’t know the truth. All we can do is speculate as to why they do what they do.
 

 

 

 

[Huntster]

On 4/21/2025 at 9:41 AM, Backdoc said:

Where can I see these documented reports ?..........

 

http://www.bigfootencounters.com/sbs/ftlewis1.htm

 

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.........This is done secretly and yet we all know about it?..........

 

Well, since you clearly don't know about it, "we all" don't know about it.

 

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........  Isn't that a bit like the glass that can dissolve all substances in the universe but somehow doesn't dissolve the glass holding the liquid itself?.........

 

I'm not familiar with that magical glass.

 

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........I had read the Navy had experimented with trying to train dolphins for various tasks even attempting to have them turn into killer attack dolphins to protect our ports and bays.   If the US Miliary could do the same with Bigfoot I am sure they would.  I just don't believe it in this case.........

 

I understand. Nor do I believe that Sasquatches have been drafted into military service. I'm just confident that if Sasquatches exist, they existed on Ft. Lewis lands, and if they existed on those lands, some within the Army knew about it. You don't have to believe that if you don't wish to. No offense taken.

 

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........Couldn't this be they just don't want non authorized people going where they are not supposed to regardless of the motivation of the intruder?.........

 

Most definitely, but not solely. Again, the Army is downright fanatical about control. They want to control all access to everything on their lands. This even includes wildlife in some circumstances.

 

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..........#1  I appreciate your efforts to answer my questions.........

 

You're very welcome. I was happy to try to do so. 

 

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.........#2  I just don't see the issue of Bigfoot the same way you do.   I am not saying I am right or wrong.  I just don't see it that way.  I could be very wrong.   I really don't know.   If what you say is true, then the behavior you attributed to the government makes some sense to me.  

 

I understand and agree, and that's fine. Either or both of us might be (and likely are) incorrect on our opinions. Indeed, sasquatches might not even exist (which is why I qualified my opinion on the Army knowing about them if they were on Army lands by writing, "if Sasquatches exist,..........."). 

 

 

 

[Huntster]

On 4/21/2025 at 12:20 PM, Backdoc said:

.........I still think the issue here is how we define who are "They".........

From my experience, if a list of Post Commanders and Natural Resource Officers for Ft. Lewis since 1917 was compiled, "they" would be on that list.

[Huntster]

On 4/21/2025 at 12:36 PM, Backdoc said:

...........Do you believe People in power would kill to keep something quiet?"

 

[ X ]  Yes ?            

 

[   ]  No  ?

 

I think that question should be modified to:

 

Do you believe that some People in power would kill to keep some things quiet?

 

I believe that is proven to be true, but it is equally true that some people in power would never kill to keep anything quiet, and I believe that people in power would not likely kill other Homo sapiens in order to keep the existence off Sasquatches quiet..........but they might take other measures to do so..........

[Huntster]

6 hours ago, MIB said:

........... If there is a conspiracy to conceal it has been 100% effective so far as suppressing verifiable evidence..........

 

"Proof" might very well already be secured, and pure ignorance or resistance might keep it "undiscovered" for ages yet. No "conspiracy" needed.

 

For example, Denisovans were "discovered" in 1980, not 2008 at Denisova Cave. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xiahe_mandible

 

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.........The Xiahe mandible was discovered in 1980 in the Baishiya Karst Cave, located on the northeastern edge of the Tibetan Plateau in Xiahe County, Gansu, China. It was found by a Tibetan Buddhist monk who was meditating in the cave. He passed the bone to Jigme Tenpe Wangchug [zh], the sixth Gungthang [de] tulku, who recognized it as an important hominin fossil and gave it to geologist Dong Guangrong of Lanzhou University in the 1980s.[1][2][3] Dong and his colleague Chen Fahu researched the mandible, but it was so unusual that they did not know how to classify it. As their research focus was geology and not palaeoanthropology, the fossil was overlooked for decades..............

 

[socialBigfoot]

On 4/19/2025 at 6:27 AM, FLY said:

On a side note ( read that as thread drift) . It always comes up why has no bigfoot bodies or bones been found .  Hominids are the only species  who ritualistically bury their dead

https://www.earth.com/news/homo-naledi-may-have-been-the-first-to-bury-their-dead-200000-years-ago/

 

You know typing that up. The thought occurred to me .  Those mystery log structures that are being found? Has anyone ever searched the ground near them for possible burial sites?

 

 

I wrote a post about the 'bones' argument a couple months ago on substack. There's a field of study called 'comparative thanatology' that has some application here -- its the study of how different species deal with the death of members of their group, flock, pod, herd, colony, etc. You can find it here if interested: https://thesocialbigfoot.substack.com/p/where-are-all-the-bones