NorCalWitness Posted April 9 Posted April 9 (edited) 39 minutes ago, CryptidTalk said: Going to have to agree with Norseman on this. There definitely are many benefits of them being recognized as a species. Habitat protections alone are well worth it. 1. the government already knows they exist. norse agrees. 2. because we agree that the government already knows about them, we can agree that there is a coverup going on, preventing disclosure. there is something profoundly societally impactful preventing disclosure and it's not about tourism dollars or lumber. 3. the coverup will prevent any efforts to prove their existence with a body by taking it, silencing people discrediting people and more. you can't beat the federal government on this one. 4. the fact that the government knows they exist makes it highly likely that they already have specimens. what has that done for disclosure? nothing at all 5. most of the people in the kill camp are in it for their own ego, not for science. not saying thats the case for everyone, but thats the average motivation. Edited April 9 by NorCalWitness
CryptidTalk Posted April 9 Author Posted April 9 21 minutes ago, NorCalWitness said: 1. the government already knows they exist. norse agrees. Yeah, I’m definitely not in that camp. Aliens, sure. But what benefit is there of hiding the existence of Bigfoot?
NorCalWitness Posted April 9 Posted April 9 20 minutes ago, CryptidTalk said: Yeah, I’m definitely not in that camp. Aliens, sure. But what benefit is there of hiding the existence of Bigfoot? answer that question and you will finally understand what they really are. hint - its not a chimp.
CryptidTalk Posted April 9 Author Posted April 9 7 minutes ago, NorCalWitness said: answer that question and you will finally understand what they really are. hint - its not a chimp. Yeah im also not in the they are alien/inter dimensional camp either. They’re a normal, biological species like us.
norseman Posted April 9 Admin Posted April 9 1 hour ago, NorCalWitness said: 1. the government already knows they exist. norse agrees. 2. because we agree that the government already knows about them, we can agree that there is a coverup going on, preventing disclosure. there is something profoundly societally impactful preventing disclosure and it's not about tourism dollars or lumber. 3. the coverup will prevent any efforts to prove their existence with a body by taking it, silencing people discrediting people and more. you can't beat the federal government on this one. 4. the fact that the government knows they exist makes it highly likely that they already have specimens. what has that done for disclosure? nothing at all 5. most of the people in the kill camp are in it for their own ego, not for science. not saying thats the case for everyone, but thats the average motivation. 1) The government is not science. 2) Probably the same silly reason as aliens. The public cannot handle the truth. 3) They are already doing so in ufology. Keep beating on the walls until they fall. 4) See #1. 5) Really? Can you introduce me to some? Because I feel like the Lone Ranger all the time. I will take all the help I can get. Ego or no ego.
NorCalWitness Posted April 9 Posted April 9 23 minutes ago, CryptidTalk said: Yeah im also not in the they are alien/inter dimensional camp either. They’re a normal, biological species like us. has there ever been an animal that the government pretended didn't exist before?
norseman Posted April 10 Admin Posted April 10 5 minutes ago, NorCalWitness said: has there ever been an animal that the government pretended didn't exist before? All the time with controversial animals like predators. They will release a problem Grizzly into an area and then lie about it. Or they will admit the animals are there but lie about the population. They will also lie when your horse has been killed and it was clearly Wolves and you saw them and the officers will claim it’s a Cougar. I don’t trust a word they say. Not the state and especially not the Feds.
CryptidTalk Posted April 10 Author Posted April 10 (edited) 14 minutes ago, NorCalWitness said: has there ever been an animal that the government pretended didn't exist before? None come to mind but feel free to enlighten me. Edited April 10 by CryptidTalk
NorCalWitness Posted April 10 Posted April 10 44 minutes ago, norseman said: All the time with controversial animals like predators. They will release a problem Grizzly into an area and then lie about it. Or they will admit the animals are there but lie about the population. They will also lie when your horse has been killed and it was clearly Wolves and you saw them and the officers will claim it’s a Cougar. I don’t trust a word they say. Not the state and especially not the Feds. denying existence in a specific area to limit their liability is different than denying existence at all. I don't trust them either, just so you know we are on the same page there. 40 minutes ago, CryptidTalk said: None come to mind but feel free to enlighten me. It has never happened before. So, what is different about this creature? There are many reports of government interaction with them.
CryptidTalk Posted April 10 Author Posted April 10 7 minutes ago, NorCalWitness said: It has never happened before. So, what is different about this creature? There are many reports of government interaction with them. So if this hasn’t been an issue in the past, there would be no reason for them to deny their existence then. You’re not citing any facts to support your case. You’re just making a sort of conspiracy claim.
norseman Posted April 10 Admin Posted April 10 1 minute ago, NorCalWitness said: denying existence in a specific area to limit their liability is different than denying existence at all. I don't trust them either, just so you know we are on the same page there. But is it different? If I am some hapless hiker do I really care if my face is being ripped off by a 800 lbs Grizzly or a 800 lbs Ape man? https://www.outdoorlife.com/survival/ed-wiseman-colorado-bear-attack/ Ole Ed probably would have appreciated a heads up. But the game dept is not going to say a thing. This is another reason I feel strongly about transparency and disclosure. They flipping work for us!
norseman Posted April 10 Admin Posted April 10 2 minutes ago, CryptidTalk said: So if this hasn’t been an issue in the past, there would be no reason for them to deny their existence then. You’re not citing any facts to support your case. You’re just making a sort of conspiracy claim. I have one. Lyle Laverty. It’s not a conspiracy. How do you go from a young forester taking photos of tracks at Bluff creek to the head of the USFS and never have a serious inquiry? Nothing.
CryptidTalk Posted April 10 Author Posted April 10 6 minutes ago, norseman said: I have one. Lyle Laverty. It’s not a conspiracy. How do you go from a young forester taking photos of tracks at Bluff creek to the head of the USFS and never have a serious inquiry? Nothing. That’s still not proof of any sort of cover up. That’s conspiracy theory. Show me a whistleblower talking about it. Show me government documents discussing it. Something credible. Not speculative theory.
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