What scientific campaigns are we missing?

[CryptidTalk]

1 minute ago, norseman said:

No. Not the same. Incompetent people do harm without intending to do so.
 

In all three cases they set out to intentionally harm people in order to study the effects in the after math. That isn’t incompetence. That’s evil.

It is incompetence because they felt it was going to be beneficial to do so. Come on, guy, I feel like at this point you’re just arguing to argue. You’d rather be “right” than have meaningful discussion. 

[norseman]

4 minutes ago, CryptidTalk said:

It is incompetence because they felt it was going to be beneficial to do so. Come on, guy, I feel like at this point you’re just arguing to argue. You’d rather be “right” than have meaningful discussion. 

Ditto.

[norseman]

My point being? If they are willing to feed radioactive cereal to retarded children and lie about it?

 

Are they gonna tell me the truth about Bigfoot or UFOs? Absolutely not….

 

You know how they detect black holes? You cannot see a black hole. But you can see its effects on objects surrounding it. And that’s how they know they are there.

[CryptidTalk]

14 minutes ago, norseman said:

My point being? If they are willing to feed radioactive cereal to retarded children and lie about it?

 

Are they gonna tell me the truth about Bigfoot or UFOs? Absolutely not….

 

You know how they detect black holes? You cannot see a black hole. But you can see its effects on objects surrounding it. And that’s how they know they are there.

I’ve not once stated that they’re not capable. You continue to misrepresent my position over and over again. 
 

You stated they actively ARE hiding it. I asked you to provide proof of this claim since you are claiming it as an absolute. You have provided circumstantial evidence, but no solid proof. 
 

it is either objectively true and proof can be provided, or it is a hypothesis in which you don’t have objective proof yet. 
 

I stated it I am not of the position that they actively covering up Bigfoot’s existence. You and NorCal then decided to make sweeping accusations against me because I’m not accepting your narrative before it meets my burden of proof.  I’ve never once stated it’s not possible. I’ve merely stated I don’t have sufficient evidence to indicate it’s currently happening nor evidence of why it would be advantageous for the government to do so.  
 

I’m more than thirsty to learn more, but theories remain theories until there is sufficient proof to show it’s not inaccurately connected dots. 

Edited Thursday at 06:11 PM by CryptidTalk

[NorCalWitness]

1 hour ago, CryptidTalk said:

I’ve not once stated that they’re not capable. You continue to misrepresent my position over and over again. 
 

You stated they actively ARE hiding it. I asked you to provide proof of this claim since you are claiming it as an absolute. You have provided circumstantial evidence, but no solid proof. 
 

it is either objectively true and proof can be provided, or it is a hypothesis in which you don’t have objective proof yet. 
 

I stated it I am not of the position that they actively covering up Bigfoot’s existence. You and NorCal then decided to make sweeping accusations against me because I’m not accepting your narrative before it meets my burden of proof.  I’ve never once stated it’s not possible. I’ve merely stated I don’t have sufficient evidence to indicate it’s currently happening nor evidence of why it would be advantageous for the government to do so.  
 

I’m more than thirsty to learn more, but theories remain theories until there is sufficient proof to show it’s not inaccurately connected dots. 

fair enough. how many reports saying the same thing do you need to hear before you lend it weight?

[CryptidTalk]

57 minutes ago, NorCalWitness said:

fair enough. how many reports saying the same thing do you need to hear before you lend it weight?

Stories alone will probably never be solid enough on their own. There will need to be other supporting evidence to go along with it. 

[norseman]

2 hours ago, CryptidTalk said:

I’ve not once stated that they’re not capable. You continue to misrepresent my position over and over again. 
 

You stated they actively ARE hiding it. I asked you to provide proof of this claim since you are claiming it as an absolute. You have provided circumstantial evidence, but no solid proof. 
 

it is either objectively true and proof can be provided, or it is a hypothesis in which you don’t have objective proof yet. 
 

I stated it I am not of the position that they actively covering up Bigfoot’s existence. You and NorCal then decided to make sweeping accusations against me because I’m not accepting your narrative before it meets my burden of proof.  I’ve never once stated it’s not possible. I’ve merely stated I don’t have sufficient evidence to indicate it’s currently happening nor evidence of why it would be advantageous for the government to do so.  
 

I’m more than thirsty to learn more, but theories remain theories until there is sufficient proof to show it’s not inaccurately connected dots. 

 

You don’t use logic and reason. You’re clinging to a narrative that is simply naive.
 

If you believe Bigfoot exists? And if it exists it undoubtedly crosses the U.S. - Canada border at will? Not to mention surveillance at military installations within the U.S.or Ports or U.S. fish and Game biologist cameras, and every other local, state and federal surveillance cameras within our borders.

 

Then you have a lot of explaining to do as to why a government that spends 10 times more than the next ten countries combined on defense has NEVER detected its presence. NOT ONCE!

 

If your position was that it does not exist and you pointed to the official narrative? Fine. Then it comes down to a body. So be it.

 

But you’re asking me for proof of a coverup. And I have definitely shown you that they have covered up tons of nasty actions of theirs in the past. Redact FOIA requests until they are unreadable. David Paulides uncovered their cover up of missing people in parks which may certainly have ties to Bigfoot, etc.

 

So keep stomping your foot all you want. The evidence is perfectly clear there is a coverup. Just like there is evidence of a cover up with UFOs, and a bunch of other subjects.

 

You seem like a nice guy and I certainly don’t disagree with everything you have to say. But on this one issue? We are never gonna see eye to eye. In my mind your position is hypocritical because you believe in Bigfoot, but not the coverup. Well we don’t have proof that Bigfoot exists either. So why are you not applying the same level of veracity to both?🤷‍♂️

10 minutes ago, CryptidTalk said:

Stories alone will probably never be solid enough on their own. There will need to be other supporting evidence to go along with it. 

Which there is….and they ignore that as well.

[NorCalWitness]

18 minutes ago, CryptidTalk said:

Stories alone will probably never be solid enough on their own. There will need to be other supporting evidence to go along with it. 

footprints in conjunction with these stories don't rise to the level of "solid enough"?

 

[CryptidTalk]

20 minutes ago, norseman said:

 

You don’t use logic and reason. You’re clinging to a narrative that is simply naive.
 

If you believe Bigfoot exists? And if it exists it undoubtedly crosses the U.S. - Canada border at will? Not to mention surveillance at military installations within the U.S.or Ports or U.S. fish and Game biologist cameras, and every other local, state and federal surveillance cameras within our borders.

 

Then you have a lot of explaining to do as to why a government that spends 10 times more than the next ten countries combined on defense has NEVER detected its presence. NOT ONCE!

 

If your position was that it does not exist and you pointed to the official narrative? Fine. Then it comes down to a body. So be it.

 

But you’re asking me for proof of a coverup. And I have definitely shown you that they have covered up tons of nasty actions of theirs in the past. Redact FOIA requests until they are unreadable. David Paulides uncovered their cover up of missing people in parks which may certainly have ties to Bigfoot, etc.

 

So keep stomping your foot all you want. The evidence is perfectly clear there is a coverup. Just like there is evidence of a cover up with UFOs, and a bunch of other subjects.

 

You seem like a nice guy and I certainly don’t disagree with everything you have to say. But on this one issue? We are never gonna see eye to eye. In my mind your position is hypocritical because you believe in Bigfoot, but not the coverup. Well we don’t have proof that Bigfoot exists either. So why are you not applying the same level of veracity to both?🤷‍♂️

Which there is….and they ignore that as well.

Your hypothesis is solid, but again, you’re not meeting the burden of proof to state it is most definitely happening. The fact that it COULD be wandering across borders isn’t proof that it does. Especially not in areas where there is a heavy human presence. Is every single inch of the border with Canada under surveillance 24/7? You’re basing your entire point of proof on a conditional statement with many loose ends. 
 

Proof of other nefarious acts is not proof of THIS act. 
 

move already stated in this thread that I believe the burden of proof for mere existence has more likely than not been met. But that does not automatically meet the burden of proof for a government government. I find it far more likely that the government doesn’t care. I’ve yet to even see a reason explanation as to why the government would want to cover up Bigfoot’s existence in the first place. 

19 minutes ago, NorCalWitness said:

footprints in conjunction with these stories don't rise to the level of "solid enough"?

 

To prove a government coverup? No. 

[NorCalWitness]

2 minutes ago, CryptidTalk said:

Your hypothesis is solid, but again, you’re not meeting the burden of proof to state it is most definitely happening. The fact that it COULD be wandering across borders isn’t proof that it does. Especially not in areas where there is a heavy human presence. Is every single inch of the border with Canada under surveillance 24/7? You’re basing your entire point of proof on a conditional statement with many loose ends. 
 

Proof of other nefarious acts is not proof of THIS act. 
 

move already stated in this thread that I believe the burden of proof for mere existence has more likely than not been met. But that does not automatically meet the burden of proof for a government government. I find it far more likely that the government doesn’t care. I’ve yet to even see a reason explanation as to why the government would want to cover up Bigfoot’s existence in the first place. 

To prove a government coverup? No. 

with the way you attack people, nobody is going to give you a reason why they would cover it up. nobody wants to engage with you. 

[CryptidTalk]

1 minute ago, NorCalWitness said:

with the way you attack people, nobody is going to give you a reason why they would cover it up. nobody wants to engage with you. 

If you think I’m attacking people, you’re incredibly sensitive. Asking for proof of an absolute claim is not an attack. 

[norseman]

6 minutes ago, CryptidTalk said:

Your hypothesis is solid, but again, you’re not meeting the burden of proof to state it is most definitely happening. The fact that it COULD be wandering across borders isn’t proof that it does. Especially not in areas where there is a heavy human presence. Is every single inch of the border with Canada under surveillance 24/7? You’re basing your entire point of proof on a conditional statement with many loose ends. 
 

Proof of other nefarious acts is not proof of THIS act. 
 

move already stated in this thread that I believe the burden of proof for mere existence has more likely than not been met. But that does not automatically meet the burden of proof for a government government. I find it far more likely that the government doesn’t care. I’ve yet to even see a reason explanation as to why the government would want to cover up Bigfoot’s existence in the first place. 

To prove a government coverup? No. 

So now you’re assuming the government is reasonable? 

 

Lets say that many of the 411 are missing because a 800 lbs ape man kidnapped them and ate them…and the government lied about their existence?

 

You think that there may be some lawsuits there?

 

Huntster always said that if they are some species of Homo? Are we gonna give them human rights? Are we gonna sign a treaty? Make a reservation? Maybe the government would rather skip all that and hope the problem fades away?

 

Numerous reasons as to why they may want to hide its existence from the public and ridicule the witnesses. Sound familiar? Project Blue Book?

[CryptidTalk]

9 minutes ago, norseman said:

So now you’re assuming the government is reasonable? 

 

Lets say that many of the 411 are missing because a 800 lbs ape man kidnapped them and ate them…and the government lied about their existence?

 

You think that there may be some lawsuits there?

 

Huntster always said that if they are some species of Homo? Are we gonna give them human rights? Are we gonna sign a treaty? Make a reservation? Maybe the government would rather skip all that and hope the problem fades away?

 

Numerous reasons as to why they may want to hide its existence from the public and ridicule the witnesses. Sound familiar? Project Blue Book?

You are, again, making false assumptions about my position. It is possible for the government to be devious while also not hiding anything on this particular topic. It is not a one or the other situation. You’re creating a false dichotomy. 
 

All of these countries that are at odds with each other have a global agreement to hide the existence of a giant ape? Seems unlikely.

[norseman]

16 minutes ago, CryptidTalk said:

You are, again, making false assumptions about my position. It is possible for the government to be devious while also not hiding anything on this particular topic. It is not a one or the other situation. You’re creating a false dichotomy. 
 

All of these countries that are at odds with each other have a global agreement to hide the existence of a giant ape? Seems unlikely.

Bye!

[socialBigfoot]

On 4/7/2025 at 4:54 PM, CryptidTalk said:

What other areas could we attempt in depth research into that could, if nothing else, provide us a means of getting closer to obtaining the much needed dna sample?

There's decades of a research that supports [certain] witness reports as credible evidence (not as proof, but still) and discredits debunker arguments against these witnesses - research on eye witness testimony, memory, deception, ecology (wildlife monitory/conservation biology), group norms (in sociology). On DNA, I gotta feel bad for Brian Sykes and his DNA study several years ago. Here's a respected academic who approached the topic with an open mind and his colleagues basically labeled him a quack for doing so. The fallout of course is that other academics likely won't touch the topic now, unless they come at it as patronizing debunkers. And if academics don't do the DNA study, the academic community won't take the study seriously, which means media won't take it seriously. That's my opinion, anyway.