What do you think of the US Forest Service's view on bigfoot?

[Huntster]

2 hours ago, Backdoc said:

........That government dropped the ball silencing Patterson and Gimlin and their showing of the PGF.  I’ll just wait for the post suggesting Patterson was really poisoned........  

 

It is now proven that government didn't need to silence Patterson and Gimlin. All they needed to do was place tighter controls on access to the Bluff Creek area. 

 

BTW, the area is closed all winter long, when tracks in the snow can tell their tale. Every year.

 

You really don't have to "cover it up". All you have to do is officially ignore it and occasionally make a silly joke to make believers look stupid.

 

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.........let’s keep it simple.  How could a “silencing government” act fast enough to stop an incident as my hypothetical scenario described?   What part specifically was so unlikely?  

 

Your scenario is fine, and if it went that way, it would essentially out the squelches. But, like I wrote, that's essentially what happened with Smeja, but without the videos and body parts, but of course, that's because he figured he'd be arrested...................and he was right...................

1 hour ago, norseman said:

.........Why does the government do this? 🤷🏻‍♂️

 

I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.  

[norseman]

34 minutes ago, Backdoc said:

 

Let’s put aside discussion about the UFO like incident itself you bring up.  I’ll even assume for the sake of discussion the incident is exactly as you describe for now.  
 

You are telling me your incident would accomplish a cover-up if those people all had cell phones and instant social media like today?!    No way.  
 

Take your scenario and add social media and cell phones of today.  It would be all over the news.  You would have all kinds of photos and video not some artist rendering from eyewitness accounts.  Surprised the eye witnesses exist since they should have been eliminated 

 

 I’m saying cell phones would matter.  Social media would matter.  You seem to be saying it wouldn’t.    

 

 I’ll debate the actual incident you refer to some other time.  Just admit you think if the exact same thing happened today all those cell phones and social media would be silenced.  All those witness would be silenced (?) even tough they were Not Silenced in your example incident.   
 

  I’m talking about shooting a Bigfoot.  I’m not taking about crashed flying saucers or whatever.   They are two different levels of concern.   I’m talking about modern happenings easily spreading like wildfire.  You say it wouldn’t based on something from 50 years ago.  

Can you just say what would happen today and stick to today?  Otherwise we will be going into all kinds of bunny trails way past the matter at hand.    

 

I have been trying to tell you what would happen today. I gave you an example of exactly what you said could NOT happen…..

 

So now you’re moving the goal posts? Not the same subject or now is different from then?

 

Social media is NOT the answer. Physical evidence is, and if a SWAT team has 20 guns leveled at me? I guess they are getting the body.

 

I will say this? Calling the authorities would be the LAST thing I would do.

 

 

 

[norseman]

Real or Fake?

 

Is it a biological life-form? Or a rubber dummy stuffed with pig guts?

 

I can say with complete conviction that it doesn't matter. Why? No physical evidence.

 

And that video has made the rounds on social media. It did not matter.

[Huntster]

10 hours ago, norseman said:

........Real or Fake?

 

Is it a biological life-form? Or a rubber dummy stuffed with pig guts?

 

I can say with complete conviction that it doesn't matter. Why? No physical evidence..........

 

This is especially true today. Video is too easily created deceptively. You simply can't believe what you see on video.

[Incorrigible1]

Regarding Bob Lazar........

 

(In his defense. ...)

 

 

[Backdoc]

^^^
 

Made up stories can have elements of truth.  But part truth is still not the truth. 

 

My hotel receipt or speeding camera picture in my rental car is convincing I was in Chicago on some date and time.  It doesn't mean I saw Elvis alive while I was there if I made such a claim.  

 

People tell untruths sometimes innocently and sometimes for some other motivation.  

 

The problem comes for someone who NEED that person or needs to believe them.  It's just like how Greg Long needs Heironimus so he overlooks the changing suit, stories, timelines and so on.  They can't walk away when these witness' stories don't add up.  They should, but they don't.

 

In this case of the Bob Lezar thing, some NEED him.   In the event the storyteller is exposed by massive holes in their story, those who need him will say, "Wow, the government was SO powerful they convinced him to lie for them!"   For them, that government can even somehow remove him for yearbooks.

 

I wish this didn't have to spin into a UFO forum.

 

Just so you know, Mike Farrell's UFO show in the 1980's tells me Aliens like ice cream; especially strawberry.   Got to be true, right 

 

 

[Incorrigible1]

I take it you didn't view the proffered video.

 

Question: What did Lazar (notice the spelling) have to gain from leaking his information?

 

Why was the government obsessed with him?

[FLY]

On 6/20/2025 at 4:21 PM, Huntster said:

 

 

At this point, I'd say that the Bigfoot is out of the Bag.

 

But it hasn't happened that way yet, and since Facebook is so relatively new, that should be no surprise. The closest we've come so far is Justin Smeja. So hang on, your dream scenario might come true soon.............

But it's not just Justin Smeja. 

 

The thing I've noticed through the years is how many of the stories told of someone who after  killing the creature. Standing over the body and feeling remorseful and fearful

they would be charged with murder. 

[Huntster]

24 minutes ago, FLY said:

But it's not just Justin Smeja. 

 

 

 

True. But the Smela case followed Backdoc's suggested scenario almost to a T, only failing because Smeja and his partner failed to take and distribute pics immediately.

 

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.........The thing I've noticed through the years is how many of the stories told of someone who after  killing the creature. Standing over the body and feeling remorseful and fearful

they would be charged with murder. 

 

Which is the precise reason cited by Smeja as to why they left the scene immediately. This should be no surprise, especially in the current litigious society, and especially with a creature that might very well be a feral human or human subspecies.

[FLY]

1 hour ago, Huntster said:

 

True. But the Smela case followed Backdoc's suggested scenario almost to a T, only failing because Smeja and his partner failed to take and distribute pics immediately.

 

 

Which is the precise reason cited by Smeja as to why they left the scene immediately. This should be no surprise, especially in the current litigious society, and especially with a creature that might very well be a feral human or human subspecies.

Exactly. At this point I am ( again )  convinced that Bigfoot is not some species of undiscovered Ape. But some type of large human subspecies. 

[Backdoc]

4 hours ago, Incorrigible1 said:

I take it you didn't view the proffered video.

 

Question: What did Lazar (notice the spelling) have to gain from leaking his information?

 

Why was the government obsessed with him?

I did watch the video.   More later.   I’m stuck away from computer (cell phone too awkward for this old man ) 

[Huntster]

1 hour ago, FLY said:

..........At this point I am ( again )  convinced that Bigfoot is not some species of undiscovered Ape. But some type of large human subspecies. 

 

I'm also pretty convinced of that. Another consideration is that aboriginal Americans have always described them as wild people.

[Huntster]

1 hour ago, Huntster said:

 

I'm also pretty convinced of that. Another consideration is that aboriginal Americans have always described them as wild people.

 

This is also why I believe government discourages discovery. There has been an ideology for..........well, since about the time of the PG film...............that governments have used a no-contact policy with uncontacted people:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncontacted_peoples

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survival_International

 

 

Edited 6 hours ago by Huntster

[norseman]

11 hours ago, Backdoc said:

^^^
 

Made up stories can have elements of truth.  But part truth is still not the truth. 

 

My hotel receipt or speeding camera picture in my rental car is convincing I was in Chicago on some date and time.  It doesn't mean I saw Elvis alive while I was there if I made such a claim.  

 

People tell untruths sometimes innocently and sometimes for some other motivation.  

 

The problem comes for someone who NEED that person or needs to believe them.  It's just like how Greg Long needs Heironimus so he overlooks the changing suit, stories, timelines and so on.  They can't walk away when these witness' stories don't add up.  They should, but they don't.

 

In this case of the Bob Lezar thing, some NEED him.   In the event the storyteller is exposed by massive holes in their story, those who need him will say, "Wow, the government was SO powerful they convinced him to lie for them!"   For them, that government can even somehow remove him for yearbooks.

 

I wish this didn't have to spin into a UFO forum.

 

Just so you know, Mike Farrell's UFO show in the 1980's tells me Aliens like ice cream; especially strawberry.   Got to be true, right 

 

 

 

Sorry. I respect you. But right now your the person that saw the Heronimous claim and bought it hook, line and sinker.

 

Bob Lazar's claim includes Element 113, which at the time of his claim wasn't even on the periodic table. Other witnesses place him at Los Alamos, S4 at area 51 and he got busted trying to film test flights out of area 51. At a time and place no one would guess unless they had insider knowledge.

 

And during his last documentary? His house and business were raided by the FBI. These are the facts. I am sure there is some embellishment to his story. There always is..... maybe he was just the janitor and had a good ear at the cafeteria. But he knows stuff that at the time of his claims? Was not known. The Janis flights out of Las Vegas daily. The Groom lake facility being underground. So forth and so on.

 

And yet the government has never budged, has raided his home and business and has basically white washed his whole past, and pronounced him a crack pot. Sound familiar? 

 

The reason I bring UFO's into the discussion is simply because we are dealing with the same entity. The US Government and its shadow corporations. We could talk about Giants instead and why the Smithsonian is exempt from federal law concerning ancient burial skeletons. They don't have to produce the goods or even provide an inventory. People have the receipt that they shipped odd bones to the Smithsonian. Smithsonian says we don't have them. How convenient. 

 

Forget Bigfoot, UFOs and Giants....... lets look at the Missing 411 books and the fight it was for David Paulides to even get a missing persons report from the US Park Service?

 

I stand for transparency, and I think its our citizen's duty to hold our politicians feet to the fire. Because they are anything but transparent. Not at the Federal level and not even at the state level. Lots of shenanigans going on unfortunately.

 

And then the flip side of the coin? Just the Federal capacity to monitor the US borders? How are they missing 800 lbs ape men walking to and fro? Maybe like UFO's at some point there will be leaked footage from the US military or border patrol? 

 

The whole thing stinks to high heaven. But if your just Joe Schmo you just think the whole thing is stupid and your more interested in the score from the ball game last night. Until one day your on National Forest hunting? And your life is changed forever. And your question is......how does this thing exist without the authorities knowing about it. Who do I make a report out to? Am I gonna be ridiculed? Am I in danger?